Re: Taylor Swift Trial

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He says had a copy of the audio file on his laptop and on an external hard drive, and possibly his cell phone as well -- but he spilled coffee on and then lost the laptop, the external hard drive just stopped working, and he threw out the cell phone.

I guess this "clumsiness" is consistent with claiming he "accidentally" "jostled" her "rib cage".


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 10:57 AM
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I hadn't followed this enough to realize that this whole thing got to court because he sued her for defamation for telling people that he'd grabbed her. Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 11:41 AM
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God must have been *dream* client prep, what a witness! So lovely. Brava, ms. Swift.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 12:50 PM
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Still, if she wins, her lawyer only gets $0.33 cents.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 1:10 PM
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And the original lawsuit has now been thrown out since the guy apparently has nothing he proposes to prove his own case with.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 1:15 PM
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If his suit was thrown out, does that mean her countersuit, which was primarily symbolic, is moot?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 1:31 PM
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No. She could still prove he's a piece of shit instead of just that he can't prove her a liar.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 1:51 PM
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The radio station that fired the groper has a program director named Eddie Haskell? Sounds like the real culprit might still be out there.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 08-12-17 6:23 PM
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I've always felt very ambiguous about Swift, because rich white girl who basically bought her own private limelight, but on the other hand clearly a decent song writer. But now I'm definitely on the pro side. Awesome testimony.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 3:26 AM
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Not exactly a private spotlight. That's one canny promoter.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 5:00 AM
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I do not know any judges who would have allowed Swift to refer to the lawyer by his first name.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 5:39 AM
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because rich white girl who basically bought her own private limelight,

She did? I thought she went to Nashville and worked hard and fit the Nashville Pretty Blonde Girl mold.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 6:36 AM
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If Swift's father being rich enough to buy her a record company means she'll never record songs about how hard it is being a musician or dealing with a record company, that'd be an acceptable trade-off.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 6:58 AM
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her testimony was, indeed, a thing of beauty.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 10:36 AM
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I've always felt very ambiguous about Swift, because rich white girl who basically bought her own private limelight, but on the other hand clearly a decent song writer. But now I'm definitely on the pro side. Awesome testimony.

That's more or less my feeling. But that article was great, and the Vogue interview that vox highlighted a while back was also quite good.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 11:04 AM
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OT: My sister's dog is now so blind and deaf that I can't throw him popcorn without showing him where it lands.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 8:31 PM
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that may happen to all of us eventually.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 10:03 PM
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No one throws me popcorn at all.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 10:34 PM
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Maybe it's already happened.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 11:20 PM
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Here Mossy, catch!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08-13-17 11:34 PM
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18: that's what you think.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 4:45 PM
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not threadjacking I think at this point I have an ATM. should I get a new neurologist? you see, I have devastating migraines, and this amazing mayo clinic neurologist gives botox injections that are demonstrably much better than those of other doctors, fifty percent whose patients receive significant relief on average while my guy has results above eighty percent. the thing is, when I went to see him the other day he was super-sketch to me. there's a fucking chair doctors are supposed to sit on, and not sit on the nice sofa right next to you (it's the mayo clinic; they have nice sofas), AND he put his arm around my shoulder, not the full stretch but to my neck. and leaned in to discuss my treatment options, namely should we go up to 200mg from 150mg, and he advocated doing so in november while sticking to 150 now. I sort of would have gone for 200 now because I'm withdrawing from a shitty psychiatric drug I took for 11 years and one of the withdrawal symptoms is migraines. but I was distracted and upset and didn't really make my case. my brother in law has promised to come with me next time, so it's not like I think it'll be a problem again, but I'm still annoyed and I'm mad at myself that I didn't do or say anything about it at the time. I mean, I'm kind of a flirty friendly person in general so I feel a little guilty there. I don't feel exactly like it rises to the level of a reportable offense, but maybe I would feel differently if I didn't still want him to be my doctor? but do I still want him to? the relief when the botox kicks in five days later is indescribable, and the nerve block he does brings instant if not total help (though it's mildly revolting: a ton of medicine injected into the base of your skull in two places and you can feel the physical pressure and popping as it forces its way inside.) I still feel simultaneously kind of gross about it and like I should get over it since it wasn't that big a deal, as my brother in law has been pointing out to my slight irritation. what say ye?


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:00 PM
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I mentioned this in another thread already and thanks for the support I got there, I just don't know what to do now exactly.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:01 PM
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The easy answer is report him. He was definitely inappropriate, you were definitely uncomfortable, tell the hospital and the state licensing agency and you reduce the chance he does something worse to someone else.

But if you don't want to (situation feels too ambiguous, replacement doctor wouldn't be as good), it's not an obligation.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:07 PM
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Didn't respond when you originally posted tale, sorry real life and all that BUT this is not mitigating it is enworsening: "AND he put his arm around my shoulder, not the full stretch but to my neck." So much more implied intimacy. Arm fully around shoulders could be non-sexualized comfort-solidarity gesture in our culture ( not saying it would be here, loin d'ĂȘtre) but nape of neck? Nope, no way that isn't moving in in you.

And fuck that shit about feeling guilty because flirty-friendly. A solid shit ton of beautiful flirty friendly women move through the world every day and a corresponding shit ton of men manage to be appropriately flirty friendly back OR NOT depending on circs.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:10 PM
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alameida:

I'm guessing that your sketch radar is pretty good.

If you address it too overtly, you are likely to lose him as your doctor. Since it is something that you could prob address by having someone with you or by telling him directly to sit in the other chair, I would go with keeping the amazingly better doctor.

Be selfish and don't suffer from horrible migraines. I vote that you are entitled to be a bit selfish on this one.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:31 PM
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yeah the other thing is it's really hard to get in at the mayo and get into their comprehensive care program and I don't want to fuck it up. the thing is I could just not go back to him for my next appointment but even that might get me kicked out of the system. I guess I probably won't do anything but just want you all to tell me that was uncool, not professional behavior.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:43 PM
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That was uncool, not professional behavior.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:47 PM
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But I agree with will.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:48 PM
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actually dq you are right and I hadn't thought about it like that; the nape of your neck is not a neutral, hail-fellow-well-met sort of spot.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 5:53 PM
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So alameida as you probably don't know bc why would you but ask Barry, i have an odd side line in intrapersonal advice aka, addressing tricky situations with imagination. To be used sparingly obvs but in some situations works great. I agree with will completely your best outcome is best med care without having to put up with skeevy inappropriate attention. (and once treatment by this dude is concluded you can send his employer and licensing board a letter for their files and make what they do with that knowledge their problem to address lb's point in 24.)

i suspect navigating this shit slalom without having to be dependent on b-in-law (not a fan tbh based on prior tidbits you've told) would be optimal. so of course i wrack my brain for feminine persona i suspect would carry this off best and propose to you Myrna Loy. Flirty friendly and not taking any shit. Point is to don enough of ML-ness to carry you through future interactions with shit dr on terms most comfortable to *you*.

Again, technique of limited utility, avowedly superficial and yet does this creep deserve anything more authentic from you? Hell the fuck no.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 6:17 PM
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"Alright, give me a hand on the side, at the Mayo."


Posted by: Opinionated Captain Oveur | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 6:21 PM
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Sorry, but that was necessary.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 6:23 PM
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Seconding the general sympathy and support; though I have no idea what you should do. Migraines are terrible, if he really is 50% better at treating migraines than alternative doctors . . . that's just a shitty balancing act to have to do.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 6:23 PM
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Also, Swift won the whole thing now, not just getting the case against her dismissed.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 7:03 PM
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31: b-i-l as it has tuned out is actually a person of superlative wonderfulness, empathy and thoughtful behavior who has gone to extraordinary lengths to help both my daughter and me. and I don't even really think he has that much of a crush on me. he's being out of character here, in a way, in the interest of having me see my skilled neurologist. also he did say "that's awful I, just don't know what to say." it's only that he followed it up with "it could have been a lot worse."


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 7:20 PM
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there's a fucking chair doctors are supposed to sit on, and not sit on the nice sofa right next to you (it's the mayo clinic; they have nice sofas), AND he put his arm around my shoulder, not the full stretch but to my neck. and leaned in to discuss my treatment options,

Totally inappropriate, not to mention unprofessional. Your own mood, your own stance -- whether warm and open and "flirty friendly," or coldly distant and reserved, or whatever -- is immaterial, when it comes to what is expected, what is required, of doctors at the Mayo Clinic.

This sort of thing really hits a button for me.

When I was 11 years old, I went to the ophthalmologist who was the husband of my dad's first cousin. Dr. Bill, let's call him. And the whole extended family was just ridiculously proud to finally have a doctor (okay, an eye doctor, but still: a doctor, dammit) among its ranks.

While sitting in the dark, doing that eye chart thing, Dr. Bill basically touched me inappropriately, all the while calling me "pal" and "darling" and "a good girl." My limbs froze up, and my face went hot with shame. I was a skinny, not-quite-pubescent, 11-year-old kid, totally clueless, and I wasn't quite sure what was his game, but I knew that this was wrong. It felt very wrong to me, and I just wanted to get the hell out of that chair, out of that office, and never return again.

Years later, I asked my younger sisters: "Did Dr. Bill ever...?" Yeah, he did.


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 8:29 PM
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Awful.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 8:52 PM
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I'm so sorry! that's just horrible. no one should ever have to go through anything like that.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-14-17 9:01 PM
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37 is awful. Or what Charley said. Ugh.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08-15-17 6:37 AM
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eww.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 08-15-17 2:30 PM
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37. That's horrible! So wrong.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08-15-17 3:02 PM
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22: just out of curiosity, what's the shitty psych drug? Topamax?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-15-17 5:03 PM
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22: just out of curiosity, what's the shitty psych drug? Topamax?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-15-17 5:04 PM
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I've already gotten off topamax some time ago; this is amitriptyline.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-16-17 2:27 PM
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which, fuck this. I have been puking, literally took a fall from dizziness, migraines, depression+classic withdrawal anxiety, general feeling that someone turned the dial up to 11, etc. of the 14 neurotransmitters in your brain amitriptyline affects TWELVE. it's just like a shortgun they developed in the 1960s and were like, let's shoot people's brains and see what happens!


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-16-17 2:30 PM
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