Our kids have memorized most of the lyrics to Hamilton so "get the fuck back up again" and the like are part of their vocabulary.
Inside of the Earth it's too dark to read?
I'm not as worried about the swearing so much as my son repeating what we say around the house about Trump voters to actual Trump voters. I've resorted to things like "There's a very small but non-zero chance they are just really oblivious and not racist so don't call them racist. Especially since you weight 80 pounds and can't run very fast."
When Hawaii was very little, she was similar, and her insult borne of the most intense anger was, "I'M NOT GOING TO FOLLOW YOU." (on twitter?)
Inside of the Earth it's much dirtier?
Oh man, 2 is absolutely right. "These are the worst people, who are wrecking other people's lives out of greed and racism. Everything they do literally kills people. Don't mention this to your beloved third grade teacher! Bye now!"
I am really, really curious (and I'll never find out in detail) what it's going to be like for Sally being dropped into an entirely different set of cultural/linguistic norms. UC Santa Cruz is overwhelmingly CA kids -- out-of-state kids going to a UC go to Berkeley or UCLA. It's super liberal, so I doubt it's going to be a political shock, but I bet it's still going to be really weird.
I thought that was going to be on topic, but now it doesn't look like it. She does swear an awful lot, which might be what I'm thinking of.
I thought only Southern Californians sounded ridiculous.
For real, is the earth actually glowing hot all the way through? Obviously there's no space for light to travel, but is the mantle at red-hot temperatures?
5: What was the culture shock like when you went to college?
The deeper you go, the hotter it gets. I learned this from the Stratovator.
You're thinking of onions and crying.
The deeper you bury onions, the more they cry?
8: There was a fair amount. Or, less that I was shocked, but that I was shockingly alien. Even moving the short distance from NYC to Cambridge, people were surprisingly thrown by how different the growing-up-in-a-central-city thing was, and how odd I was as a result. I don't remember thinking other people were all that strange, but they thought I was. (In retrospect, of course, there's an extent to which that wasn't regional, but just me.)
Northern California has a much greater history of situational cannibalism than New York. That's probably going to take some getting used to.
With the healthy lifestyle, it makes sense. I'd be more cautious about eating a New Yorker, and I am one.
I think the tradition is they eat somebody newly arrived from the east.
There might be more of an affect gap than a political gap: her default setting may be taken as excessively dour or negative by Californians. If my transplant boss is anything to go by.
Cheerful, positive people are the worst.
For real, is the earth actually glowing hot all the way through? Obviously there's no space for light to travel, but is the mantle at red-hot temperatures?
There's quite a lot of variation in the mantle depending on whether you're at the inner edge or the outer edge. I think the inner mantle would be white hot rather than red hot. But I'm not sure what impact pressure has on that sort of thing, if any. If only we had a physicist commenter...
16: Right, exactly that sort of thing.
The midwest has (requires) friendly people, but at least they aren't usually optimistic and rarely outgoing.
16. Also in my limited experience california irony is in a pretty limited register, different than the rest of the planet. Megan can visit the rest of the US with no passport. I have a vague memory of a discussion about positive affect in CA vs the rest of the world with her.
How was the ambient irony in Samoa? Hawaiians also default to positive and friendly in a way that I find pretty disorienting-- pleasant mostly, but about as different as switching languages.
18: It looks like there's a lot of investigation into the exact atomic structure the iron resolves into under those conditions - I imagine that might also affect the color, if you could somehow shine light onto it.
I experienced very little culture shock between a college town in North Florida and a college town in Michigan. FWIW.
The only way to get pressures that high is in very small volumes, I believe using diamond anvil cells.
As far as I know, not much is known about the currents that generate the earth's magnetic field, which, recall, flips irregularly but pretty often, period between reversals hundreds of thousands of years.
Did everyone else see the sidebar disappear there?
Supporting data point for 16 etc.: My spouse, originally from the Bay Area, has commented that it took her a number of years to realize that new people she met from NY or northern NJ (a) weren't jerks, and (b) liked her. Including at least one friend who I've long regarded as unusually cheery and good-natured. It just gets expressed a little differently.
Does Sally make a point of looking busy all the time? When I was in college, that was our (West coast kids) stereotype of East coasters (with "East coast" actually meaning everything North of DC).
The outside of the earth has also been bombarded by falling stuff from space for a long time. The gold in the earth's crust is believed to have been deposited by meteors during the early stages of the solar system.
32.last: Is that because we assume any gold in the primordial dust would have sunk to the mantle or core by now?
Yes, I too saw the sidebar comment feed briefly disappear. I think the rest, like links, was still there.
If you have to choose between situational cannibals and cultural cannibals, go with the situational cannibals every time. So much less awkward.
Wikipedia says that the mantle's lowest temperature is 500 celsius. That's almost 800K so checking the black-body radiation page, that should be in the red-hot range, and anything hotter than that should also be luminous. Maybe.
34: Before you can get shitfaced on goldschlager, first, you must create the universe.
Hmmm I'm thoroughly No Cal and a sibling went to UCSC so i spent a fair bit of time there back in the day and I experienced more difference the year i spent living in So Vermont than the time I've spent living in Paris and visiting NYC. But then when explaining Vermont to Californians I've used the shortcut of saying it is the Santa Cruz of the East Coast.
How was the ambient irony in Samoa?
Intense, but weird. Or... irony, not exactly. Deadpan sarcasm jacked up to really really really high levels.
35. Full text. Analysis of rocks old enough to predate the bombardment excludes some models of distribution of heavy elements, including some mixing models; that's how I read it.
Unfortunately, doesn't shed much light on intrinsic gold:silver:(platinum or rhodium) ratios, or on the distribution in the earth's crust, because billions of years of earthquakes and volcanoes.
42: They were fucking with Margaret Mead way, way back in the day.
I assume they didn't eat her because they never got trapped in the snow with her.
This is all kind of blowing my mind. The native Californians I know are super bitter, jaded, full of constant low key contempt... The most striking thing about the east coast complainy norm to me is the idea of a world where anyone could be made to give a shit that you're unhappy. That seems utopian. (Yes I am trolling with that last bit -- but seriously, is California still believed to be full of gentle naifs who alternate hugging trees and hugging their cars? Surprise is not feigned.)
In the south, it's apparently expected that you not make white people unhappy.
I wonder what the stats are on out of state attendance at UCs. I could see people going to UCSC because it's kind of unusual over, say, Irvine which is probably more local.
49: Interactive here UCSC 92.4% in-state. Irvine 81.1%. Lowest Berkeley 75.6, highest Merced 99.6. UCSF isn't displaying.
How was the ambient irony in Samoa?
I learned the term "ambient dessert" today. I was disappointed to learn that it means shelf stable products, not desserts that just sort of hang around in the environment until you want one.
47. They smile more and manage superficial cheerfulness. In fairness, the ones I knew well enough to have some judgement of what's under the surface were all doing OK. Being priced out of a good living situation that supports saving money might get wearing after a while, I can see where that might happen.
UCSF doesn't have an undergraduate program.
Whereas ambient desert is something one doesn't want to live to see.
In the 70s, even a threesome had to have extensive catering.
50: Thanks! Obviously I'm surprised by the Irvine result, but the residency tab shows that Irvine has a huge number of international students and I was thinking of US students. Within the US population, the percentages are very close and the absolute numbers pretty small.
FWIW, I find that the town of Santa Cruz has its own intense culture, strange and mildly annoying to even me, Californian and hippy-like as I am.
Don't let her pick up the amplifier 'hella'. It has no virtue and sounds terrible to everyone who didn't grow up in the Bay Area. She can go native in other ways, but not that one.
I didn't realize anybody but Cartman used that.
I would hate for her to lose her uptown-Manhattan turn of speech. I probably find it more charming on the kids because I'm fond of them, but 'fam' as a mode of address is adorable. I'd sound like an idiot, on them it's cute.
"Fam" is Manhattan? I had no idea.
I think it means "chowder somebody fucked up and put tomatoes in."
I dunno, it could be nationwide? I don't know what's generalized teenspeak and what's local.
I picked up 'hella' during my year in Santa Cruz and I can't get rid of it.
I got hella from watching South Park, ages ago. Not that I use it, but that's where I heard it at all.
There is/was also difference between native Californians and people who moved to the Bay Area, with the latter being way more hippy and the former being oblivious in odd ways. I remember having a conversation with my San Diego friend where I had to explain that eating locally in my part of the world is difficult at parts of the year and that her smugness for eating 'local' was super annoying and not something to be expected elsewhere without significant dietary changes.
That said, when I moved to the South, all my best friends were from the East Coast of the US (of the 'north of DC' definition).
Right. Eating 'local' outside of CA involves a lot more canning and maintaining a root-cellar than it does mildly restricting your choices at the grocery store. You could live that way, but it'd be a real project.
I'm forgetting lots of South Park, but I still fondly remember the one with the whale on the moon.
I watched occasionally for the first very few seasons, but not in well over a decade. Underpants gnomes was a real addition to the language, though.
Teens in New York really say "fam" out loud?
That's been essential to my understanding of libertarianism.
It was also weird to be in California because (it shouldn't really have shocked me) they're so West Coast centered. Like Stanford is the best school to go to and history started with the missions. I remember trying to explain where I was from, 'near Maine', and getting a confused look because they hadn't heard of that state ('it's in the NE corner? No, north of Massachusetts. Didn't you have to memorize the states?').
70: Mine do? Admittedly, they're giant weirdos.
We had to memorize the states, but the small ones are easy to get confused.
Massachusetts is easy because you just picture it saying "Bro, do you even lift?"
But it's pretty big. Just super empty. Also it's a corner and that's where you always start puzzles.
We had to memorize the states AND their capitals.
73: Huh. I thought it was some silly thing the Internet made up just to be funny, like Bitcoin.
72: No. History started with Island of the Blue Dolphins.
70: My baby brother, in his early 20's, attending Berkeley, uses it in texts or twitter, but I haven't heard him say it aloud.
"Since the days of Copernicus, man has dreamed of flight."
58.1 is right. Also, in general, the Bay Area and San Francisco in particular are full of uniquely annoying white people (both annoying presumptuous snobs without basis for their snobbery and annoying hippies, the worst forms of annoyingness COMBINED TOGETHER, and that's before we meet our fine friends in the technology sector), but do not let those people do their insanely provincial thing of standing in for "California." It's population-wise, economically, and culturally a relatively small portion of the State, and thank the Lord for that.
Other opinions:(a) 72 is right, nobody here gives a shit about Maine; (b) the "I'm an intense New Yorker and everyone here is so laid back!" seems to be a firm conviction that New Yorkers have but actually seems to me to have no basis in reality, either as to New Yorkers' intensity or that of other people (c) the "big city" vs "not a big city" distinction is probably a much stronger cultural difference these days than West Coast v East Coast, which I expect would hold true in the undergrad poppulation (d) if Sally finds everyone at Santa Cruz weirdly mellow and spaced out, pro-tip: It's because they are really, really, really high.
I don't know why it would be shocking that people on the west coast are west coast centered. You can say the same about people elsewhere and their localities. I would guess that Stanford's national reputation has risen in the last 20 years but I wouldn't be surprised if lots of people still don't connect the "California" college sports team with Berkeley.
If somebody says "Texas," for example, I know what university football team they are talking about. But if somebody says "California," I have no idea. Which one is it?
There's a bill right now to make shrooms legal. That would be great.
There was just never any pot around when I was in college. Except once when somebody tried to smoke ditch weed and failed to get high. I feel like it's too late to start now because I really don't need something that increases by appetite.
I can't help your Pittsburgh bias Moby.
Maybe shrooms, because they make you vomit first.
There was just never any pot around when I was in college.
This is the weirdest sentence I've ever read. Were you rooming with Nancy Reagan?
Or SHROOMING with Nancy Reagan? zing.
My favorite part of being in easterly timezones pre-ubiquitous internet were the sports pages listing night games from the previous night on the west coast with the score of "late". I guess they might still do that but why bother looking.
where are you getting 90?
and nice to see you RH.
95.1: The standard reference. Young Guns.
If that's a typo it's an impressive one.
93. The Boston Globe still does that. Maybe the city edition has fewer but the edition for the 'burbs goes to bed around 10pm eastern time. Then they don't deliver it until well after I leave for work.
Yes, I have asked myself many times, "Why do I still subscribe to this waste of trees?" I guess, as Tevye said, "tradition."
Okay, this is why I really resent the world: When I was growing up, I was a grumpy, difficult and critical person (hence the name!). For gender, regional and class reasons, I was forced to learn to be sunny and relentlessly positive in a way that people from not-here remark on, and while I sometimes feel super aware that I am acting, it's also become part of my character. And whenever I meet people from the coasts they make fun of me for being so positive, etc etc etc.
In my mid-twenties, I went to a lot of effort to change my personality, learn to say nice anodyne things in a nice anodyne voice, smile all the time, etc, and I did that because I thought - for gender, class and regional reasons - that I was kind of a terrible person because I was not constantly positive and smiley.
You can't win, you really can't.
Sally should obviously maintain as much of her natal demeanor as possible - no point in arriving at early middle age with a pasted-on grin and a gift for upspeak. (I was young when I started commenting here.)
86 What? There's only one Cal. Read a sports page, man.
I am sitting on a broken Caltrain in the ambient 95 degree heat, no dessert present. How would a non-Californian handle this situation?
The Bay Area is so smug they call a train that doesn't even cross the state "Caltrain".
51: I would hope it would be a dessert somehow embedded with an edible bluetooth speaker that plays brian eno.
88: whaaaaat? there was literally no drug not around when I was in college. i mean, maybe that was just me, but.
best thing about hella: hearing grocery store clerks who don't want to swear in front of customers say "hecka".
separately, I am worried the line for my soup dumpling place will be brutally long because it's a public holiday and ajay and SGD and I will have to wait for a thousand years and I will feel responsible and like a bad hostess, and a bad person, and worthless. this may be the depression talking.
Strong preference for "chilly resentment" rn tbh. (Actually problem is fixed. I was cheerful! I take very potent cheerfulness drugs available nationwide, so toss my data point.)
Or did you mean the soup dumplings place is called "simmering resentment"?
Oh my god there is a kid in this room who is insistent on reading me his list of Smurfs. I shudder to think that he carries half of my DNA. Is "Pastry Cook Smurf" even a Smurf?
People complain about political correctness, but it's been a huge improvement for things like that.
Even within California everyone refers to UCB as "Cal," not any of the other UCs.
And I've finally arrived at the rice-and-lentils stage of recovering from wretched stomach bug hallelujah oh my god it is so delicious.
On topic: Ace told me her favorite swear word today, which was "Poopy fucking f-word wawa."
105.3 Nia did a weeklong summer drama class through the school district I think two summers ago now and they performed Taylor Swift's "Shake it Off," bowdlerizing (after much consideration) "hella good hair" to "head of good hair," which certainly works. Half the kids I think including mine defaulted to the original anyway.
There's a whole series of CD with that. Kidz Bop, I think.
105.last : I'm sure that won't be the case and if it is SGD will simply keep us entertained with polite chat. I am currently looming over her to make sure she finishes her homework before leaving. Worst live blog ever.
108 is great. It could have another branch called " seething fury".
109 is also great. We could make Mistake Not... jokes in the meetup threads.
I shudder to think that he carries half of my DNA.
Maybe he doesn't! Are the Jerry Springer/Montel type shows still offering those paternity tests?
My seven years in Minnesota were super stressful for obvious reasons (grad school), but also because I felt like such a fish out of water the whole damn time. Like, I grew up thinking of myself as a classic "Bert" from Sesane Street, but everyone in my program thought I was an "Ernie." Strangers don't smile at one another walking around Isles or Calhounll
Live blogging- dim sum and improvised story telling with Al and SGD.
When you're done with Myers-Briggs you graduate to Ernie-Bert.
121: dim sum was fun; SGD is charming. ajay needs to confirm that I have a stiff upper lip and can act completely normal despite the crazy or y'all will think I am a basket case all the time, which is false.
Stiff upper lips are for Englishmen. You're American and female, so you can be as disgustingly emotional as your feeble constitution dictates.
Confirmed 123. Al maintained a facade of normality with considerable skill.
A bit lacking in detail, sorry. But you can't really live blog something properly with only two adults and one SGD. Update: we are now testing a small rocket we have built. (SGD and I, not Al. )
128.last A lot of that going on these days. Happy testing!
There's a bill right now to make shrooms legal. That would be great
Despite its generally strict drugs classification laws, shrooms were legal in the UK well into my late teens. I remember buying some in a shop on Charing Cross Road, of all places.
You know what? I haven't been able to watch Young Guns again, but I think it wasn't shrooms that made them all vomit. It was peyote. My apologies to the fun-gus.
128: you and Kim Jong-il! Mind you get the rocket well over Japan, or else just short of Guam.
I don't think I'm okay with a world where Moby fact-checks himself.
They were in the desert. Not many mushrooms in the desert but lots of cacti.
Anyway, Possibly not authoritative (great psued) made that cryptic comment "lw", which I took to mean "look within."
But I'll try not to let it happen too often.
I found moving to the mid-Atlantic from the PNW for college to be possibly the biggest culture shock of my life. In retrospect I had a very sheltered upbringing and had no idea what the rest of the US was like. Other cultures might be more different, but what blindsided me was not expecting the difference.
When I first moved to Montana in the 70s, there was a widespread niche belief that a particular local mushroom had been omitted from the lists, and was therefore still legal. I stopped hearing that shortly thereafter. Never have found out whether it was true.
I remember the one about eating 16 pounds of nutmeg. I assume that's how people trolled before the internet.
Also, something about smoking the white bits from banana peels.
The word "hella" is beautifully multipurpose, meaning as it does both "very" and a "lot of".
I remember controversy in my college Greek class about whether we were to translate polu as "hella" or "like a bastahd," neither of which was in the idiolects of any of the three of us students.
138: if I had know there were going to be rockets I would have gotten into your cab rather than mine.
The nutmeg thing is actually true, though not much fun, as I ascertained agreed 15. I can still remember taking a bite out of a whitewashed dormitory wall but not why or which dorm. That will also have been the year (and school) where I accidentally almost killed myself with an overdose of aspirin. Fucking lucky it wasn't paracetamol. I really was astonishingly unhappy.
(and you can use that correction for my epitaph)
143: rockets were yesterday: today we created a small enclosed weather system in a jar.
Post-Apocalyptic Parenting Guides™ by Ajay.
Tomorrow we may be extracting DNA from unsuspecting fruit.
hey RH! I'm really into NWOBH atm, fyi.
You're good, they'll only develop pain sensors after the apocalypse.
152 is not nearly as clarifying as Keir seems to think.
I think it's music that makes my head hurt.
149: fruit that were suspicious of the operation would be frankly alarming.
Change of plan. The fruit are safe for another day; today was Introduction to Artillery, including naming of parts of the 6-inch Ordnance QF Gun, rifling, breech vs. muzzle loading, and indirect fire with a forward observer (theory and practical).
Be safe ajay. I hear Narnia has some hard-assed police.
In accordance with local legislation the practical stage was conducted using water pistols.
The world is apparently dead set on making me think back to all the reading I did on how and when nuclear deterrence will fail.
Fuck. NMM to Walter Becker
The only consolation is that he may not have missed that much
Clinton should run her 3 a.m. commercial again, just as a fuck-you to Americans who didn't vote for her.
|| A large spot suddenly appeared on my arm yesterday. Purplish, squarish, maybe 1/4 inch to the side. I guess I should have it checked out. Question: how much of a rush do I need to be in? Can I wait a couple of weeks, or should I be trying to get to see a dermatologist asap? |>
I'm not an expert, but if it happened that fast, it's probably a boil or something. Still, I'm terrified of the sun and quick to have stuff checked. Maybe just a GP or nurse if that's easier.
And Facebook's "We thought you wouldn't have to miss an opportunity to wish happy birthday to X" is really just cruel in some circumstances.
