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Re: ICE

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I know this is one of those posts where there's just nothing to say.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:18 AM
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While they pondered their predicament in a Harlingen, Texas, hospital, a Border Patrol agent showed up in the waiting room -- Oscar Sanchez suspects a nurse turned them in

Actually, this might be the worst bit. I hope something terrible happens to that nurse.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:23 AM
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Did you see the one earlier about the guy who got deported even though he and his wife warned that he would be killed by gangs from his home town if the did that? Guess what happened to him?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:31 AM
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This appears to be the work of CBP rather than ICE. The two seem very similar in their institutional practices and commitments of course.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:40 AM
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Am I the only person who never heard of "ICE" before Trump was in office? That is, I knew there was Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but I never heard anybody call it anything but "Immigration" or "Customs", depending on the context.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:44 AM
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I remember learning it in 2010, but not as a layperson. Until 2003 they were INS; you probably recall that acronym.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:47 AM
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5: No.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:47 AM
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6: That probably explains it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:48 AM
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3 +y


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:49 AM
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6: That's it -- I'd forgotten that there was a name change, but now that you mention it, it explains why ICE is unfamiliar sounding.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:49 AM
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10: And now they put Vanilla in charge.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:52 AM
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6: I do remember INS. What confuses me is the continued existence of this great congeries of agencies that AIUI were all supposed to become one unified super-duper hivemind called Homeland Security.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 8:52 AM
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I can't believe we have permanent "papers, please" checkpoints in parts of this country. Do Texans who go withing X miles of the border really have to all carry passports or birth certificates, or just people with brown skin?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:08 AM
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-g


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:10 AM
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sking?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:11 AM
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Two-thirds-of-US-population "border zone".


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:12 AM
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The "border zone" extends to Pittsburgh's northern suburbs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:13 AM
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I expected you to make a joke about carrying a person with brown skin in lieu of a passport. "Forgot my papers, sir, but here's a sacrifice instead!"


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:14 AM
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Right but how many fixed checkpoints (not border crossings) are there in northern states? I've never heard of such a thing anywhere in New England or NY, with the exception of something that Leahy got killed a few years ago- even that was just random questioning at a rest area, not stopping every single car.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:17 AM
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I've never see a check point in the north except at an airport or the actual border with Canada.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:19 AM
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Plenty of them here from time to time, but they are called "sobriety checkpoints." I don't think they check your citizenship status.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:23 AM
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That is completely vile. Someone who cared about good governance would be making sure the ten percent of the agents that scored highest on an authoritarian test would be given busywork that never encounters the public. Might have to repeat that a time or two until the bad eggs are neutralized.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:23 AM
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21: Even if your passport says you're a citizen of the sovereign nation of Margaritaville, they still apply the .08 standard.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:25 AM
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I hope something terrible happens to that nurse.

It is bad karma to wish ill on another person, but I completely agree. Similarly, despite the unanimous opinion of decent, sensible people, I am finding it impossible to get worked up about Nazi-punching.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:29 AM
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Right but how many fixed checkpoints (not border crossings) are there in northern states?

No idea, but ICE is closemouthed enough that I doubt we're ever likely to know. Conceivably New England / the mid-Atlantic have them in certain neighborhoods we don't often find ourselves in. From the same link:

Border Patrol, according to news reports, operates approximately 170 interior checkpoints throughout the country (the actual number in operation at any given time is not publicly known).

Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 9:59 AM
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There was an immigration checkpoint set up in the middle of New Hampshire about a month ago.

http://www.unionleader.com/crime/us-border-patrol-arrests-25-illegals-at-i-93-roadblock-seizes-pounds-of-pot-20170828


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 10:01 AM
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The place is a den of depravity, don't you know.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 10:05 AM
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Wow, it's jarring seeing "illegals" in a newspaper headline.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 10:18 AM
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How are they doing that? Do they have a database and they ask for ID to see if you come up, and arrest you if you refuse to give your name? They don't expect everyone to have citizenship papers, do they?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 12:11 PM
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If the person was born in East L.A. and didn't have papers with them, they can be deported.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 12:14 PM
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I imagine they expect people to have driver's licenses, plus immigration papers if the DL is foreign.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 12:14 PM
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Assuming you aren't driving a car or committing a crime, you don't have to show ID though? Or do I need to read the link in 16 instead of just looking at the map?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 12:20 PM
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I would like to see Democratic politicians make it clear that the activities of ICE in the current era will be subject to investigations and consequences once Trump is out of power.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 12:50 PM
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33: Even after Trump's magnanimous decision to not prosecute Hillary?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 1:02 PM
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13: My experience in Arizona was white-skinned people didn't need them. I was with a friend of Peruvian ancestry who was actually born in Mexico and nothing. Tim's Canadian, and we were expecting them to ask if we were all U.S. citizens, but the guard didn't even ask if we were U.S. Citizens. I think he was tired. The friend of mine who was driving the car was from Georgia and had a slight accent. He asked the guard how he was doing. The response was, "I'll be better when my shift is over."my


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 2:13 PM
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25: My same friends in Arizona lived in Burlington VT before moving to AZ. They used to see border patrol. They have authority to pull you over within 150 miles of the border. Anyone Ali f the ocean is conceivably subject to being pulled over.

I know that people on trains on New York State that went on routes close to the boarder have been asked for papers.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 2:30 PM
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36 It appears to me that Brignoni-Ponce is still good law, so they have to have more than (a) nothing or (b) brown skin.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2017/08/30/14-71768.pdf

B-P is still a shitty opinion, and we'd be in a better country if Justice Douglas' views had carried the day. Fucking Nixon.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 3:27 PM
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I'm a white guy who has been traveling routinely and extensively through AZ and NM for the past decade. My experience has been that CBP will intermittently operate a few checkpoints at fixed locations (i.e. permanent buildings that are only occasionally staffed with dedicated on/off ramps) on major interstates within about 50 miles of the border. I'll be asked if I'm a citizen, and immediately waved through with no further questions, searches, or documentation after answering in the affirmative.

CBP also sets up temporary checkpoints on smaller state and local roads that are closer to the border. I haven't been stopped at one of these, but I would expect to receive more scrutiny since there's less traffic to manage.

CBP vehicles can routinely be seen staking out traffic in the median of interstates. I've never been pulled over, but then I'm a white guy usually traveling alone.


Posted by: Tarrou | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 3:32 PM
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...on a steel horse I ride.
I'm wanted not dead but alive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 3:35 PM
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38 And that's Martinez-Fuente. They can have checkpoints, but can't do the whole deal without something. Telling them your a citizen and showing them a DL is probably sufficient.

Unless you have drugs in plain view.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 3:38 PM
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So the solution to the OP, until nosy nurse screeed things up, was to drive to the hospital and when asked at the checkpoint if they were citizens just say yes?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 4:01 PM
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41: I don't think that tactic works as well for brown people.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-21-17 7:07 PM
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30 is a deep cut.


Posted by: filip | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 9:48 AM
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Cheech and Chong?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 10:00 AM
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Or Werner Herzog. I can't remember.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 10:04 AM
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40.last: I dunno if this is what people mean by "crisis", but the heroin users in my neighborhood have started shooting up right out in public, in broad daylight. Bullshit official responses have surprisingly not had a salutary effect.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 11:45 AM
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