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Re: There's no pony.

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Other good points RHC made:

- Weaponized bullshit is an important propaganda tool because it spreads mistrust.

- Refuting bullshit is often more work than it is worth.

(and I'm quoting verbatim, and RHC attributes these points to Frankfurt and others.)

Another crossover person made the point, which I paraphrase: We need to have a distinction between regular bullshit and actual, propaganda, Trump-style boldfaced lies.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:19 AM
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1 last: Why? How is president Trump bullshitting for his wall epistemically different from developer Trump bullshitting for his condos?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:24 AM
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There's a greater risk of starting a nuclear war.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:54 AM
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"epistemically "
I put that whole word in specifically to stop 3 from happening. You people have no respect.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:57 AM
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I don't know what that word means.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 9:01 AM
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From Latin epi "irrespective of" and stemically "risk of starting a nuclear war."


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 9:06 AM
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But I saw the pony!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 9:12 AM
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Got in bike accident around 5 pm. ER doc set my dislocated finger about an hour ago. Hurt like hell. Also fractured bone in elbow. While cleaning me up, they noticed that, hey, that g a s h by my eye looks pretty bad. They're planning surgery. No ETA. I'm tired.

Atossa is at a neighbor's house. We owe them big for this.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:17 PM
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Good luck Cyrus. Will the eye scar be devilishly handsome, at least?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:22 PM
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Holy shit, Cyrus. Hang in there. Bike accidents are terrifying.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:47 PM
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I am consistently surprised by people who don't understand Frankfurt's point. Who think that "lying" is a form of "bullshitting". And yeah, arguing with a bullshitter is a waste of time. The only viable response is to turn to their audience and go up one meta-level, arguing that the speaker is a bullshitter, and cannot be trusted with a plug nickel.

Hard to do. Hard to succeed at. Cf. Hillary Clinton and "puppet".

(weeps)


Posted by: Chet Murthy | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 8:48 PM
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8: Yikes. Hope everything turns out well.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-22-17 10:20 PM
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Ouch Cyrus, best wishes for a speedy recovery.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:00 AM
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Ack, Cyrus! Mend soon.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 4:21 AM
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He's injured and you're demanding he get back to fixing thing? Cruel.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 5:37 AM
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thanks everyone.

Surgery turned out to be 3 stitches. I've had worse for cosmetic stuff, but by the time they got around to it I was so tired that I was difficult. Finally left ER after 1 am. Got 5 hours of sleep last night: Atossa woke up around the usual time, and I couldn't get back to sleep. Percocet might help but pharmacies open at 9.

the hand in the cast is my dominant one. Other that things are great.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 5:48 AM
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Yow. Dominant hand in a cast is awful, as is no painkillers yet. Aren't they supposed to send you home with a couple of pills to bridge the gap until you can get your prescription filled?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:25 AM
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AITHMHBALATOT, I played football in junior high. We were on defense and I was either a guard or a tackle. The guy next to me (who was whichever of those two things I was not), got just smashed by the running back. His arm was broken. Not only was it his dominant arm, but it was his only arm that ended in a hand.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:30 AM
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they told me to take a double dose of ibuprofen when i got home, and i did. Don't want to take more when percocet is on the way though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they forgot to do something they should have. It seemed disorganized.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:35 AM
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Has anybody seen my watch? I know I had it when the guy who was in the bike crash came in.


Posted by: Opinionated surgeon | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:37 AM
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20: That isn't an opinion, it's a question.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:41 AM
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I don't have to express on opinion in my every utterance in order to be "opinionated".


Posted by: Opinionated surgeon | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:42 AM
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IANAD, so google to confirm, but 'cet' means it's mixed with Tylenol, not ibuprofen, right? So no worry about double-dosing. I would take all the ibuprofen you want (within reasonable dosing limits).


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 6:48 AM
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OT: Organic candy corn is strangely colored and tastes good, but not quite "right" for values of "right" that include what regular candy corn tastes like.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 9:44 AM
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I think it's the rice syrup instead of good old HFCS.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 9:45 AM
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So I'm at the Arrakis Cultural Village for a screening of Bicycle Thieves and they have this ginormous international falconry and hunting expo going on. There's got to be more than a thousand falcon here easily.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:11 AM
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A "cast of falcons", says Google.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:14 AM
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+s


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:22 AM
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I thought the falcons had eaten it.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:24 AM
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They had a bunch of poor houbara in glass tanks.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:29 AM
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I bet they like to pull out their best for Rosh Hashanah's Boxing Day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:32 AM
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30 is much, much better not knowing at all what a houbara is or how happy it is to be in a glass tank.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:43 AM
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Are you advising me then, not to google houbara?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:46 AM
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I can only tell you how I achieve happiness for myself. If you find out, don't tell me.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:48 AM
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Ok. Barry, what do you think?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 10:53 AM
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27: a cast of thousands, then.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 11:29 AM
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A houbara is a falcon's favorite prey.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:04 PM
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HOW ABOUT A TRIGGER WARNING YOU ASSHOLE


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:11 PM
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I joke, I'm all in favor of well-glutted falcons.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:12 PM
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Honestly, having trapped birds for falcons to munch on doesn't seem any more cruel that cock fighting and nobody has a problem with that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:19 PM
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I'm thinking it would be more entertaining to release the houbara first so the falcons have to work harder. The effort would also make them leaner, fiercer embodiments of perfection.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:24 PM
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The idea is to release them first. The falcon's did not appear to be in sight of the houbara but I can't imagine they weren't seriously stressed out.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:40 PM
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Aside from the cars, the harems, and the falconry, being an Arabian prince sucks.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:44 PM
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The patriarchy hurts men too. Just not very often.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 12:52 PM
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-'


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 1:27 PM
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Poor Mexico again.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 1:44 PM
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What just happened?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 1:47 PM
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Earthquake Numero Tres.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 1:49 PM
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On the plus side, it's down another order of magnitude again.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 1:51 PM
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8.1 to 7.1 to 6.1. I guess this still counts as an aftershock.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-17 1:52 PM
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Someday, there's going to be a last comment on the blog.

And then someone will comment that the last comment has been made.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 7:19 AM
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Charley broke the spell.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 7:23 AM
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You people have lots of offspring. It'll be fine.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 7:38 AM
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Or not.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 8:47 AM
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Fiiiiiiiine, I'm sure.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 8:53 AM
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Just yours and the Geeblets could keep it up on their own.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 9:20 AM
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Podkayne Geebie's mother was a comment-farmer, just as her mother had been a comment-farmer, and her mother before her, all the way back to their legendary ancestress Heebie Geebie, who was Always Right. At least, that was what the Archives, patchily restored after the EMP Collapse of 2089, seemed to say. Poddy supposed she'd grow up to be a comment-farmer too - until, that is, the strange man turned up in an ekranoplan crewed by girl-ninjas and said "Get in. I need your help..."


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 10:31 AM
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+grand-


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 10:41 AM
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It was grand already.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 10:46 AM
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If you want a picture of the Unfogged future, imagine a spam bot replying to a spam bot -- forever.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 12:17 PM
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Thorn!!! Thanks for the shoutout on the Hemingway thread - I'd hoped to get back to it in time but got sucked into daily life stuff. I'll try and catch you at the Other Place some time this week.


Posted by: Awl | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 12:25 PM
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Oh man, seeing Stalker on the big screen after all these years was such a spiritual experience.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 1:05 PM
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Stalker: the Lavrentiy Beria Story.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 1:07 PM
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Did more football players take the knee today? Any white players among them?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 1:19 PM
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The I don't even own a TV, the newspaper says the Steelers stayed in the locker room until the forced patriotism was over.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 1:24 PM
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8.1 to 7.1 to 6.1. I guess this still counts as an aftershock.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 1:41 PM
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I'm secretly hoping Trump rails against everything that Racist-Americans (TM) say they love. Next up, I want Trump to call for boycotting Nascar, pickup trucks, Coors light, etc. I hope it doesn't end until Real Americans (TM) are stuck watching European Junior League handball, drinking Zima, and driving Vespas.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 1:41 PM
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I hope it doesn't end until Real Americans (TM) are stuck...drinking Zima

Harsh, but fair.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 2:38 PM
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Really on topic: It's about ethics in government email.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 3:32 PM
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61: Other place works well! I'll be spending all my spare time at Children's hospital (planned, thus fine!) this week and messages help pass the time.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-24-17 6:18 PM
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