Re: Sure, give thanks here.

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So: we are at my in-laws new house, which is amazingly I don't even know. It is 6000 square feet. It is the literal southeast edge of Denver, so that you look out onto in-progress development construction and beyond that, just plains and essentially Kansas.

It's only 4 bedrooms. It's the worst floor plan I can imagine. Or, not bad exactly - the floor plan doesn't decrease functionality - but very, very weird. There's two living areas, one upstairs and one downstairs, and two bedrooms upstairs, and two more downstairs, and the rooms are biggish but not absurd. You'd think that would add up to maybe 3000? Maybe? So the rest is these endless little nooks of things like: hidden bar to nook to storage. Big walk in closet stuck in here. Nook with workspace there. So on and so forth. It's very, very different than a 6000 square foot house built fifty years ago with the endless rooms. This has fairly few rooms and then just essentially endless accessory-rooms.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 11:53 AM
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And if you're on the upper deck, you're maybe ten yards away from the upper decks of the neighbors on either side. These giant houses use up every last inch of the plot of land.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 11:54 AM
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Everybody likes looking at Kansas.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 11:57 AM
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The view here is a quaint agricultural valley on one side and the ridge on the other.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 11:58 AM
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50th anniversary edition.

Happy Thanksgiving all. Get stuffed.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 12:03 PM
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I pulled out my parents' folk records. No Arlo, but AJ is pretty amused at what I am spinning.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 12:14 PM
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All three girls went with Lee ("because enemies should be kind together on Thanksgiving," Nia says) and so I'm baking apple crisp and in the early stages of making my grandmother's pea soup. I'll take a bath soon, then get back to sorting laundry or take a nap, probably eventually wander over to the gay socialist bar to hang out with friends and comrades a bit. It feels like such a luxury not to have to celebrate, though I have many reasons to feel grateful.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 12:42 PM
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Just a quiet little thing here. But bittersweet: the kids are moving to California in 3 weeks or so, obviously taking the baby with them. It's been the best year ever.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:04 PM
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You could just stick the baby in a cabinet until they get tired of looking for it and have to leave.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:11 PM
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This image has probably been linked before but it's on-topic.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:18 PM
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A contemporaneous rendering of the massacree in a different medium: A surprisingly detailed article in the Berkshire Eagle at the time: "Youths Ordered to Clean Up Rubbish Mess." with familiar elements.

Because they couldn't find a dump open in Great Barrington, two youths threw a load of refuse down a hillside on Thanksgiving Day.
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Special Justice James E. Hannon ordered the youths to remove all the rubbish. They did so Saturday afternoon following a heavy rain.

Police Chief William J. Obanhein of Stockbridge said later the youths found dragging the junk up the hillside much harder than throwing it down.
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Chief Obanhein told the court he spent a "very disagreeable two hours" looking through the rubbish before finding a clue to who had thrown it there. He finally found a scrap of paper bearing the name of a Great Barrington man.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:19 PM
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10: Fuck you Minivet. After I took the trouble to scan and edit it....


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:21 PM
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But I'm thankful that you posted it first, bless your heart.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:22 PM
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Also as I had posted here recently discovered that for a short time Alicia's Restaurant was directly beneath Norman Rockwell's studio in Stockbridge (but I don't think it was at the time of the song). And officer Obey posed at least once for a Norman Rockwell drawing (not the famous one at the soda fountain).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:25 PM
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Barbie has a dog that had puppies. But the puppies drop out ventrally, instead of posteriorally.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:48 PM
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Anyway, Mattel doesn't know where a dog keeps her vagina.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:52 PM
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On topic because reasons.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 1:57 PM
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That was me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 2:49 PM
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Today is feeling loooooooong.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 3:07 PM
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Flynn may have flipped! NYT.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 3:11 PM
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Have a lovely thanksgiving everyone. Except the FCC, obv.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 3:46 PM
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19: If you watch kid shows, the commercial will come on and you can shift the discussion to dog anatomy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 3:59 PM
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Happy Thanksgiving, genociders.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 4:16 PM
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My family arrived after that was mostly done.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:21 PM
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Just cleaned a shitsplosion in the bathroom. I think Dad was glad to bring Mom home for dinner but not quite prepared for this level of incontinence plus a clogged toilet. Happy Thanksgiving.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:22 PM
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Dude, I'm eating here.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:30 PM
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O.K. Done now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:38 PM
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1- Grottoes?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:39 PM
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Apparently those are overrated.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:42 PM
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26: I was, too! Now she is back at her facility and I have serious reservations about whether I can stomach the pumpkin pie.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:53 PM
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Try whipping cream.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 5:55 PM
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I'm thankful heebie and a passel of regulars have kept this going.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 9:08 PM
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I'm not sure what the collective noun for a group of commenters here is. Where's nosflow when you need him?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 9:21 PM
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A congeries of commenters.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 9:34 PM
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A deadline of delinquents.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 9:34 PM
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A recension of reprobates.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 9:36 PM
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So the rest is these endless little nooks of things like: hidden bar to nook to storage. Big walk in closet stuck in here. Nook with workspace there.

Lemme guess. The master bedroom has two separate ("his" and "hers," natch) walk-in closets that are each the size of a decently-proportioned bedroom in the NYC area; and the en suite master bathroom has one of those double sink console things going on?


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 9:51 PM
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I haven't been in the master bedroom. But our guest room nearly qualifies. I'm pretty sure this house does not have any proper closets that aren't themselves rooms. Maybe one in a bathroom?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 10:26 PM
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I'm now trying to think whether my (1881) house has closets plural. Yes, one in my bedroom and one under the stairs where tools and cleaning supplies get stored. But I do feel there has to be middle ground!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 10:31 PM
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I hope everyone's Thanksgiving went off as well as mine did. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 10:41 PM
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36: a recusal of Republicans


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 11-23-17 11:30 PM
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Oh, ydnew, that -- and similar -- is such an awful part of parents entering their second infancy.

Delighted to hear that LB had a good one.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:23 AM
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Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Heebie, I thought your in-laws lived in Montana. Is this a move? The modern houses on steroids thing is freaky.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 4:35 AM
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The plan was to retire to Montana, so they built their retirement house on the lake, and so on. Then Jammies' dad got bored after about two weeks and started consulting again, and then that turned into a fulltime thing, and he's been operating out of Denver for the past year or so, and Jammies' mom joined him this past summer, when they bought this sprawling crazy thing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 6:38 AM
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(So they still have the Montana house, and a lot of family up that way. Jammies' sister is basically down the street here, though.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 6:39 AM
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Can I have the lake house if I promise not to get bored?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 7:15 AM
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Do you have post-secondary course work in Appreciating Fresh Water?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 9:16 AM
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I didn't say I wouldn't get bored with the house. I just won't get bored in the house.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 9:18 AM
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Ugh, one of you just wrote a thing about Arlo being a quasi-Trump supporter. I don't know what to do with the art of monstrous men.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 10:02 AM
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It wasn't me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 10:07 AM
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Sorry. I think he's more of a Ron/Rand Paul guy and a "I dunno about Trump but the Democrats are bad" kinda guy.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 10:27 AM
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S'okay. Just don't update me on Ponyboy as an adult.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 10:30 AM
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He didn't stay gold?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 10:33 AM
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Heebie is spending Thanksgiving trapped in the McMansion Hell blog?


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 10:41 AM
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I've been trying to figure out if these are McMansions. On the inside, yes, definitely, and yes on scale. The exteriors in this neighborhood aren't gaudy enough, though. They've got the McMansion version of a ranch house thing going on. Also no in acreage. This is definitely a developer who is maximizing impervious cover.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:00 PM
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Well, once water goes under the ground, who knows what the fuck happens to it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:13 PM
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Opinionated Megan knows.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:19 PM
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Anyway, I always thought of large houses on small lots as being part of the phenomenology of the McMansion.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:27 PM
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From the dimmer of the xfit coaches on FB:

"Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by STRIKING" - WILLIAM SPRAGUE

I think that's a really bad way to shape iron, actually.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:40 PM
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Well actually, heat is just molecules striking each other.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 1:54 PM
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IGNORANT.


Posted by: OPINIONATED DIEMAKER | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 3:12 PM
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We got sent home with leftovers, but, as I just noticed, no gravy. How am I supposed to eat turkey, stuffing, and mashed potatoes with no gravy?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 4:42 PM
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59: fitting for cross-fit, then


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 5:25 PM
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55: don't McMansions lack acreage by definition ?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 5:27 PM
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62: Monstrous. We left my father with gravy, because we love him.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 6:18 PM
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64: oh, perhaps. It certainly qualifies morally.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 6:22 PM
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62. We ate all the gravy elsewhere, then had turkey, stuffing, etc. as portable leftovers. Always pre-deploy backup gravy from a jar, as there is never enough gravy. (Yes, not as good but then, one does what one must.)


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 6:38 PM
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49: I know he turned into a libertarian. My diagnosis is Daddy Issues (which, fair enough. Woody sounded like a terrible father).


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 11-24-17 8:59 PM
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We did manage to have a small political spat on Thanksgiving despite everyone being pretty-well aligned (it was after dinner at least). The point of contention was over the rightness or wrongness of closely following political developments in general, and specifically on Thanksgiving evening. I was gladly in the next room reading one of the Culture books (physical copy from the Carnegie as the two electronic copies of CP and TPoG were both checked out ... hmmm).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-25-17 7:56 AM
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Fuck. Sorry, I meant to try to fix that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-17 7:58 AM
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I actually still prefer physical copies (because old). It just delayed my starting by a couple of days.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-25-17 8:00 AM
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That's good because either I can't fix it somebody else has the second copy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-17 8:08 AM
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Flashmobs, without the silly dancing.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-25-17 8:22 AM
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Anyway, I've started on UoW.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-25-17 9:00 AM
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