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Busy?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-18 9:04 PM
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Ladies....


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-18 9:16 PM
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This Adam Rippon phenomenon is interesting. The Olympics happens every 4 years and some thing advance a lot in that time. So we have a lot of people going "Wow! Look at this openly gay figure skater! So great" and we have a lot of people going "This is new? There weren't openly gay figure skaters before? Hasn't Johnny Weir been around forever?"

Maybe Rippon is a new breed, having grown up in a world where maybe there isn't a complete lack of prejudice, but almost everyone he encountered personally when growing up didn't have any prejudice and he had no reason to ever hide anything or feel oppressed. I read a story about filmmaker Ryan Trecartin that emphasized that, that he has to follow in the traditions of the queer icons he idolized, but doesn't have that much in common with them because he never felt stigmatized for being queer.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 8:44 AM
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I looked it up. They both only got bronze medals. Maybe they should try heterosexuality, like Lipinski.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 8:54 AM
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Yeah -- it's sort of related to how John Mahoney just died, and everyone was surprised to realize he wasn't officially out. Like, there's a nudge-nudge level of being openly known to be gay but still not being 'out' to the point of admitting it explicitly in public that seems to make less and less sense as there's more and more acceptance.

Liberace had all sorts of naive straight fans who thought he was just a flashy dresser, and maintaining some level of implausible deniability was necessary for his career. And the same, I guess, for Mahoney -- even in the 90s, network execs wouldn't have hired him to play a straight everyman if he'd been all the way out. And all the gay figure skaters in prior Olympics, sort of the same. I don't really have a coherent thought, but things keep changing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 8:56 AM
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I had no idea John Mahoney was even rumored to be gay, but, in my defense, I hadn't followed his career since Striking Distance.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 8:58 AM
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Oh, I remember people noting back when the show was on that it was amusingly anti-stereotypical that of Frasier, Niles, and Martin, the only one played by a gay actor was Martin. But even back then, I don't recall it being discussed as 'rumored to be gay' -- his sexuality was mentioned as an uncontroversial fact. He just wasn't quite out enough that his obituaries weren't cagy about it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:01 AM
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I guess I don't recall being around anybody who noted anything about Frasier. It's no Striking Distance.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:03 AM
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Speaking of things I don't know about celebrities, I just learned that Ronan Farrow is Maureen O'Sullivan's grandson.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:10 AM
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I watched Frasier regularly, and I had no idea Mahoney was gay.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:10 AM
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Also, I just learned that either Mia Marrow, Woody Allen, or Frank Sinatra is Maureen O'Sullivan's child.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:14 AM
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I'm going to take a flyer and say it's not Woody.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:15 AM
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Canadian Eric Radford, who with his skating partner Meagan Duhamel won gold (team event) and bronze (individual) this Olympics in pairs, has been out for several years. He's open about it but is much quieter than Adam R. And way back in the 90s, US Champ Rudy Galindo came out before he won Nationals. That was a brave thing at that time (it's still brave!) and he caught plenty of flak for it. He never went to an Olympics. So while Adam is a great skater (bronze this year in the team event), has a fun persona, and from everything I've seen is a good guy, there are some other North American male skaters who have been there too.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:15 AM
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Woody Allen's real name is Allen O'Sullivan Konigsberg, you didn't know that?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:17 AM
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Anyway, I must be really affected by no-meat Friday to have typed "Mia Marrow".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:21 AM
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David Hyde Pierce is gay, though not out at the time.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:23 AM
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Oh, huh. I hadn't paid attention to him since the 90s, and hadn't realized.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:34 AM
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Figure skating was great in the 90s. Or at least interesting.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:35 AM
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AIHMHB, my grandma was so pissed that my cousin hadn't ever had a big formal coming-out talk with her, because she didn't feel like she could out him to the other seniors she knew. All those other aging academic liberaler-than-thou seniors got to brag about their gay grandkids, and Grandma wanted to let on that she had one too. Cousin was too young for closets (despite growing up in the Dallas-Fort Worth area).


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 9:47 AM
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Lest anyone forget the fabulousness of DHP.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 10:03 AM
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we have a lot of people going "This is new? There weren't openly gay figure skaters before? Hasn't Johnny Weir been around forever?"

Weir wasn't out when he competed in the Olympics.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 10:28 AM
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Also, I don't think Johnny Weir ever tweeted thus: "To all those who tweet at me saying that they "hope I fail", I have failed many times many times in my life. But more importantly, I've learned from every setback, proudly own up to my mistakes, grown from disappointments, and now I'm a glamazon bitch ready for the runway."


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 10:29 AM
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With nosflow re: AR not being "nothing to see here," disagree AR likely has never met discrimination in his life or that it was an easy, cost-less decision to come out, completely disagree with anyone who thinks even in a liberal uber bubble like SF a teen would think nothing of coming out, and was quite touched by this VF article https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/02/adam-rippon-gay-olympic-athletes


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 12:58 PM
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I've wasted so much time being heterosexual. OTOH, I've hardly spent any time being fabulous.

It's probably a wash?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 4:34 PM
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I'm going to take a flyer and say it's not Woody.

Antisemite.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 4:35 PM
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In my country we had John Curry.


Posted by: Dave Heasmanm | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 5:43 PM
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was quite touched by this VF article https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/02/adam-rippon-gay-olympic-athletes

That is nice, thank you.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 5:45 PM
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My husband has just seen Johnny Weir's hairdo, and is not a fan.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 6:08 PM
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As long as he doesn't try to make Jennifer Lawrence kill other little kids.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 7:15 PM
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He being Weir. I don't want to make demands on your husband.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-18 7:16 PM
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Let's just note that Adam Rippon is the goddamn personification of fabulous overrated.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 9:43 AM
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Yeah, he's no Nathan Chen.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 11:02 AM
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I just can't watch enough figure skating to appreciate the art, but a snarky tweet is something I can relate to.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 11:39 AM
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Kraabdad update: My dad is back home and I'm back in Austin. He'll be in the hospital for a couple more days and then in rehab for a week or so because he's really weak from the surgery and the long stint in bed. He's going to need to keep up with his physical therapy, but it looks like his recovery will be total, which is pretty amazing.

This thread isn't quite long enough to be jacked but I didn't want to put this on the school shooting thread -- though my dad actually lives in Broward County and the shooting happened the day after we got him home.
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Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 3:26 PM
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Kidneys, hooray.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 3:34 PM
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34 So glad to hear that Sir K.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 7:11 PM
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That's great news, Sir K.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 7:11 PM
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Yay, Kraabdad!


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 8:38 PM
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You go us all worked up for nothing.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-17-18 9:57 PM
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What good news!!!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-18-18 6:16 AM
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Excellent!


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-18-18 7:04 AM
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The other Adam Rippon went to my high school. He is not as fabulous but he's pretty great, too.

Yay Kraabdad!


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 02-18-18 6:16 PM
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Great news SK Dad!

John Mahoney seems to me exactly of that last living generation in which an actor would be openly gay within the profession and that would never be mentioned outside it. It's a specific kind of closeted. Kevin Spacey seemed too young by about 10 years for that, Ian McKellan seemed ahead of his time.

I could be totally off here, but I feel like gay women on Broadway are still in that place, more than the men who are more free to be fabulous. Give it another five years.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 02-18-18 7:42 PM
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Wonderful news, Sir Kraab!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-18-18 8:28 PM
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I'm so glad to hear this, Krabster! What a relief.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-19-18 8:03 AM
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Ditto SK and dad!


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 02-19-18 11:16 AM
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You go us all worked up for nothing.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, ogged.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-20-18 8:28 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-20-18 8:29 AM
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