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Re: Men should be outlawed because they promote sex

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What about men who promote it, but poorly?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 12:54 PM
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Love it, would do twenty heart symbols
if I knew how.

Is the book recommended the best popular thing to read about Shari'a law/Islamic jurisprudence*? Anyone know the book?

*asking for a friend, will only impose Shari'a law on my household if it gets my daughter to move more quickly getting ready in the goddamn morning.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 1:07 PM
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Hmmm... Does &#128153 work? 💙

Yep.


Posted by: abia | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 2:29 PM
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Oh wait: 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙


Posted by: abia | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 2:34 PM
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༼༼༼༼࿄༽༽༽༽


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 2:40 PM
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This one was also good, and something more people on the blog can opine about.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmesCG/status/981596833121292288?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=c8b2e13fbd7b430ab23949ecdb725a51&fl=4&uid=193454488&nid=244+276893704


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 9:09 PM
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Is muhaddithun somehow pejorative?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 5-18 9:28 PM
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Yeah, this is great. I haven't read Kadri's book which appears to be a popular work on the history of Shari`ah. It got good reviews.

7 No. But they were opposed to the place of reason in religion given by the Mu'tazilites.
OTOH this strikes me as a little confused, the Mu'tazalites didn't talk a lot about reasoning by analogy (qiyas) in the application of hadith to law, they were more concerning with theology than with jurisprudence, otoh qiyas is an acceptable method of applying hadith to derive the law among all the Sunni schools.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:06 AM
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BTW, What's the best meme generator for doing this? I have one I want to do but the meme generator (at imgflip.com) I found overwrites the text over the whole picture.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:08 AM
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The OP was funny, as is 6, but isn't it kind of wordy and hard to read for a meme? I miss the old days when it was a guy, two girls, and maybe ten words.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 5:23 AM
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When at last the time comes to codify the memes, the only organizational scheme everyone will agree on is arrangement from wordiest to most concise.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 5:26 AM
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"From Finnegans Wake to Doge: Meme-Simplification in the Century Before Global Nuclear War."


Posted by: Opinionated Historian From 2518 TCE (Too Common Era) | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 5:57 AM
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10: Busy is the new concise.

(oh god)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 6:17 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 6:19 AM
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I have one I want to do but the meme generator (at imgflip.com) I found overwrites the text over the whole picture.

You can move the text around on imgflip. Alternatively, use this template: https://imgur.com/VeA1L4f and an image editor. Then you can do this!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 6:43 AM
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I tried the first link, but I still can't write in Greek.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 7:11 AM
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Crap, I meant to post before I left my hotel room this morning. Oops.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 7:28 AM
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🕴 🕴 🕴 🕴


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 7:42 AM
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18: what the fuck is that?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 7:43 AM
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17: Well, you need to go back to your hotel room and post. That's the rules.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 7:44 AM
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I think most people are still doing this in image editors; there's no consistency in text styles. In this minor formatting issue, it's subverting expectations of memes in a really fun way--it's harder to crank out, and it lets people be so wordy. I saw one last night that was just citations of academic works on Pirahã. There also isn't any consistency as to which party speaks with the author's voice. I think people who see themselves as self-righteous prefer the older guy, but sometimes the younger guy says something profound as he's throwing the chair, leaving the older guy to give a pathetic attempt at the last word.

Weird if god is everywhere except my shit and piss, though.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 7:54 AM
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👹 👾 👿 👻


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:24 AM
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He'd be there too if we didn't eat asparagus and beans.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:36 AM
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19 That's Walt Jabsco.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:38 AM
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I don't know about anybody else's but god is definitely in my shit and piss.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:39 AM
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BUT IS HE IN YOUR PISS IN A MUSEUM? I THINK NOT.


Posted by: OPINIONATED ANDRES SERRANO | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:41 AM
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15 Thanks


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:42 AM
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Covering myself in shit and piss in order to slay god like Schwarzenegger at the end of Predator.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:44 AM
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No wonder atheists are so strident.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:47 AM
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15 The result.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 9:17 AM
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28: The most dril-like thing ever said on Unfogged.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 9:28 AM
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30: I recognize that dialogue! Works well.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 9:29 AM
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31 I'm taking that as the highest possible compliment.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 9:35 AM
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Wait everyone is on Twitter now


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 10:02 AM
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Don't make me choose between going back to Twitter or talking to people in the room with me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 10:03 AM
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I believe my first encounter with this meme was an apologia for Brutalism that made me so mad I seethed for 2 days. I don't know what the best meme format is for this but it's:

1. Faux sophistication in the form of "you're too stupid to know that that ugly thing is really awesome"

2. It's faux because few of the apologists know shit about Brutalism except dilettantish things like "it's named after breton brut, not the English word Brutal." Congrats, you read the first sentence of the Wiki article have a Master's degree.

3. It doesn't grapple at all with the fundamental reasons these buildings don't have much merit (it's an incredibly stupid, wasteful, unsalvageable construction technique, the aesthetic merits of which don't apply in many locales).

There are worthwhile defenses of Brutalism; they are utterly incapable of being contained within memes, no matter how wordy.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:04 PM
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I just call everything made of cement that I don't like "Brutalism".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:08 PM
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I thought all cement was the same.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:09 PM
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There's Portland Cement, used by hipsters.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:11 PM
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36.2: Based on my reading of that paragraph that's not even true.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:12 PM
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All cement is Portland cement. Even cement made in Pretoria is Pretoria Portland Cement.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:15 PM
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The word "brutalism" makes it feel like the buildings are, like, brutal metal and rock the fuck out, and therefore I should favor them. Calling weird ugly 70s concrete buildings "brutalist" makes them seem badass. Marketing genius.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:16 PM
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36.1 That's my favorite version of the meme and I also really like Brutalism. Fight me.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:17 PM
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Fuck you Barry. Can you even show me a brutalist building that doesn't have water stains? Desert climates don't count.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:19 PM
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Don't punish me with brutality.


Posted by: Ppinionated Architecture Critic Marvin Gaye | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:25 PM
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It rains even in the desert, especially in the winter. Still like Brutalism.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:26 PM
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So you admit they all have water stains.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:28 PM
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36 makes me wonder if JRoth actually read the meme at all or if he just saw the word "Brutalism" and went into a blind range. (The meme in question says nothing about brutalist buildings' being ugly or not, it says that they should be preserved, and blames their (not further specified) "failure" on mismanagement.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:42 PM
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You know what would make them easier to preserve? Pitched roofs, that don't leak.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 12:44 PM
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Wait everyone is on Twitter now

Does that mean we have to start deliberately misunderstanding each other to achieve greater outrage, instead of to make jokes?


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 1:33 PM
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Some of us are pretty good at outrage already.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 1:37 PM
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48:Yeah, "mismanagement" is a funny word to use for "fundamentally flawed conception".

Thank you, dilettante, for making my point beautifully.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:15 PM
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37 does embody a legit complaint of Brutalism lovers. Although AFAICT pedantism isn't counted in favor of most groups.

"'Victorian' isn't really an architectural style."
"Ah, now that you've proven me wrong on an issue of terminology, please proceed as you wish."


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:17 PM
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Also, it's not cement, it's concrete. Cement binds together aggregate and sand into a matrix known as concrete.

See? Pedantism wins every heart and mind.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:19 PM
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Also, discourse about Brutalism precedes the meme; I am not obligated to discuss the topic completely within the bounds of those 5 panels.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:21 PM
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So you admit they all have water stains.

It's not even the water stains as such. It's that the virtues of the style--as claimed by its proponents, then and now--are chiefly about how buildings look in the sun. Warm, raking sunlight does, indeed, make most Brutalist buildings look their best (which sometimes is quite lovely, and other times is...tolerable), but of course that's not a condition that applies very often in many places.

The essential sin of Modernist architecture, from Corbu on, was that place didn't matter, that its language(s) was/were universal. Brutalism took a flaw that mostly manifested in glarey windows and applied it to every square inch of the structure (ironically, even as they tended to be better about acknowledging the need for exterior window shading).


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:26 PM
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People always say that about modernism and place, but I feel like basically you can say the same thing about all US architectural styles from 1880-1930 or so. Like every town has a bunch of similar looking 3-4 story commercial buildings with a brick back and facade, similar foursquare houses, etc. And even some similar out of place buildings like some big pompous greek column looking thing that's out of scale in a similar way. Never got why that fairly cookie-cutter style (whic I love! Don't get me wrong) was more attentive to place. #speakingfromignorance.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:47 PM
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Yes. America sucks at that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:57 PM
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Also, some of the food is really bad. You can generally drink the water.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 3:58 PM
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Anyway, the best way to get a building with a sense of place is to build one out of cob made from the dirt of that place.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:01 PM
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The Monterey Bay Aquarium has made it own super-meta sally into the memefield.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:04 PM
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its


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:04 PM
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On the other hand, where else can I have Stella and Starburst jelly beans at once?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:09 PM
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Lots of buildings are the same, but lots more are different. I'm in the round part on the third floor. This ain't LA.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:16 PM
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I always wanted to work in a turret.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:29 PM
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It is very much the part of LA that was built the same time as your building! E.g.:

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+and+boyle+los+angeles&client=firefox-b-1-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinmryZ56baAhWDJVAKHdwrCtkQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=627#imgrc=0-_-kodXfgDVKM:


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:31 PM
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On topic. Probably.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 4:52 PM
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Brutalism is terrible and about 80% of it needs to go, though I am a fan of the architecture of the DC subway.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 5:50 PM
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68 gets it right.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 5:56 PM
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Yes, 68 is right on all points.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 6:10 PM
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68: true fact.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:00 PM
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For the record, only Moby confused cement with concrete. Which I assume was just a setup for 39.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 8:43 PM
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48:Yeah, "mismanagement" is a funny word to use for "fundamentally flawed conception".

This is ... not relevant? To reiterate the comment you seem not to want to understand, the meme doesn't say that they are not ugly either (i.e., it is not even remotely about "you're too stupid to know that that ugly thing is really awesome").

Whether they have a fundamentally flawed conception, if that means they're based on an unsalvageable construction technique, is not a very strong argument for their not being conserved, and I think that actually something can be both mismanaged and, well, maybe not outright unsalvageable, but barely salvageable: you are, after all, managing the thing you're managing, and that means accounting for the construction technique in all its heinousness. The Last Supper, famously, was painted with a fundamentally unsalvageable painting technique! Obviously, you might well think that it's worth what's been expended to keep it in the state it at least manages to be in and the benefits do not similarly approach outweighing the costs with Brutalist buildings, but you have to make that argument, not just say "these buildings were constructed all sucky". Because sometimes we want to conserve things that were made all sucky!

If you want to do that, you're back on the aesthetic argument. But ... as I attempted to point out, the meme isn't saying "these 'ugly' things are actually awesome, you hayseed". And indeed, it isn't making an argument about their worthiness for conservation on aesthetic grounds at all. It's passing all that by. But you know what? It's five small panels of text.

I am not obligated to discuss the topic completely within the bounds of those 5 panels.

Sure. But if you're complaining about those five panels, maybe ... you are, for the purposes of that complaint?

In conclusion, I am not even an architectural dilettante, but I am at least capable of discerning the contours of a dialectical context.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 9:24 PM
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The Brutalism meme.
1. It offers no positive reasons to preserve Brutalist buildings.
2. It denies that such buildings are "aggressive" and "not designed for humans", asserting implicitly that those failures resulted from mismanagement, neglect and racism.
Every Brutalist building of which I have direct experience has not been neglected or mismanaged, nor built by racists for subalterns. They were nonetheless actively unpleasant, suffered from leaks and water stains (in a dry, sunny climate), and imposed daily costs in unnavigability. I repeatedly heard them described as prisons or mazes; once "I feel like a mouse in an experiment." Ill-made buildings, unlike ill-made frescoes, are not purely aesthetic objects, they are also functional, and preserving Brutalist buildings involves to some degree forcing people to live and work in them. In conclusion, blow them the fuck up.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 6-18 11:51 PM
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I agree with 73 regarding the meme, but I also agree that others that Brutalism in general sucks. That said, the State Office Building here is a Brutalist monstrosity that's ugly as fuck on the outside (temperate rainforest is really not a great climate for this style) but seems to work reasonably well for practical purposes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 12:06 AM
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It doesn't hold a candle aesthetically to the Art Deco State Capitol building a block away, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 12:07 AM
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That looks like the lair in a Bond film.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 2:04 AM
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So you can blow it up with napalm and get Barbara Broccoli to pay for it.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 2:06 AM
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They all look just the same.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 4:13 AM
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I don't want brutalist buildings torn down (aside from racist housing projects or whatever landmine I'm supposed to avoid that I don't really know about) because I often like them, but as one building among many, and I suspect whatever replaces it would make the cityscape less interesting and architecturally diverse.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 5:00 AM
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Diversity is not always desirable. For example, rattlesnakes would increase the diversity of your yard.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 5:06 AM
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You don't know that her yard isn't full of rattlesnakes now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 5:54 AM
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Heebie, is your yard full of rattlesnakes?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 6:20 AM
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Heebie: objectively pro-anomie.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 6:23 AM
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In Heebieville, even the snakebite is meaningless.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 6:38 AM
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I just think assuming "no rattlesnakes" in Texas isn't supported by Bayesian considerations.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 6:40 AM
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You're right. I bet her yard is full of rattlesnakes. It's nice and warm on the uninterrupted geometrical plane of concrete.


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The Uighur military assistance, although timely and valuable, came with a high price tag. Emperor Suzong had promised the Uighurs all the valuables and young women in Chang'an, hoping for a quick recapture of the city. Now the Uighur prince was in town, demanding that the emperor keep his word.
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 6:50 AM
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88: Well, it was a simpler time.


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^That was me.

74: Here in a pretty poor climate, all the Brutalist buildings I've ever been in* have been warm and dry in the winter and cool and pleasant in the summer. Admittedly, shoddy workmanship can crop up anywhere, so perhaps the Brutalist buildings I haven't been in around here are Delicatessen-esque chambers of horrors, but I doubt it.

*Rarig Center, Riverside Plaza, The Chateau, East Bank Bookstore, Moos Tower, Health Sciences Tower, etc. etc. The worst thing about any of these buildings is the paucity of elevators in Riverside Plaza -- Rapson's infamous cost overruns strike again.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 7:15 AM
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Yards in Heebieville are rattlesnake-free because the cottonmouths chase them away.


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Some had amputated a hand; others, a foot; and they referred to the amputated appendage as the "foot of luck" or the "hand of luck," since they were now disabled and were exempted from military service. This objectionable practice had continued in Emperor Taizong's time.
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 7:21 AM
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As of now, my favorite post-Brutalist building is the new V&A Dundee. It's like something out of Dune.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 8:22 AM
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Suddenly reminded of the bit in Player of Games where Gurgeh mentally impugned a city mixing all architectural styles as artistically incoherent, implying the urban planning norm in the Culture is top-down decisionmaking.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 9:10 AM
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Work is capitalists trap


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 11:55 AM
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Art Deco and Brutalism can suck it. Modernist architecture is for dweebs.

Art Nouveau is where it's at.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 7:56 PM
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I like Art Deco.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 8:04 PM
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I saw an art deco piano in LA once and it was super cool.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 9:44 PM
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I mostly agree with 68 but love the Montreal metro.

https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1104&bih=564&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kZvJWtz_DeHTjwSRjZvoBA&q=montreal+metro+stations+archtecture&oq=montreal+metro+stations+archtecture&gs_l=psy-ab.3...8108.23348.0.23742.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.Cx0a0qitxts

Brutally long link, sorry.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 04- 7-18 9:44 PM
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I see what you did there.


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the Tang court suspended official ties with Nanzhao in 854, when it refused to accept a rhinoceros presented by a Nanzhao envoy.
My question is, what did the dude do with the rhino? Awkward.
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 1:57 AM
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50- Bro, have you even read any of the police brutality treads?
My new daily commute takes me past the most famous Brutalist building in the region. Everyone hates it both aesthetically and functionally. The just build a big glass headhouse over the subway station in front of it just to add more contrasting style.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 4:50 AM
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94. The more likely possibility is that Gurgeh is an ass.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 4:55 AM
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Strangely relevant.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 7:02 AM
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104: Interesting article, thanks. I don't see the relevance though.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 7:31 AM
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Or the Art Deco bit?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 7:31 AM
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106. Yeah.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 8:07 AM
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That Hoover building is great.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 8:11 AM
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I'm not suggesting the full Le Corbusier is at all desirable or pleasing to the eye but a little Brutalism here and there never hurt anyone; and it keeps things interesting.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 10:03 AM
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a little Brutalism here and there never hurt anyone; and it keeps things interesting.

Laydeez.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04- 8-18 10:30 AM
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