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Re: Badge #540

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I didn't watch the video, but deep down in article it says the car was originally pulled over because it violated the NJ laws about license plate coverage and window tinting. The discovery that its license had expired came later, right?

It was a Nevada car, and presumably the windows and plate covering was okay there. Doesn't NJ caring about this stuff violate the interstate commerce clause, or something? Are you supposed to not drive in NJ (a good choice!) if you have some feature legal in your home state but not in NJ?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:02 AM
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Why can't NJ have it's rules? Certainly states can set their own weight and length standards for trucks that carry very literal interstate commerce.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:08 AM
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Are you supposed to not drive in NJ (a good choice!) if you have some feature legal in your home state but not in NJ?

Yes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:22 AM
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I've driven in New Jersey. It's scary. Less traffic than Philadelphia, but way stupider aggression.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:30 AM
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2 is correct. Driving through Indiana I was surprised to see extra-long tractor-trailers, that the drivers must have to stop using at the Ohio border.

That being said, whenever the state of New Jersey has some regulation that 90% of states don't have, you can count on it being a bad regulation.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:30 AM
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And driving the freeways in Philly scares me. East of Harrisburg, take the train or fly.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:31 AM
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5: We need to accept that Americans are not mentally and emotionally ready to pump their own gasoline.

6: If only. Going to Allentown, the railroad don't run no more. (Poor, poor, pitiful me.)


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:34 AM
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Doesn't NJ caring about this stuff violate the interstate commerce clause, or something?

I am not a fan of the concept of the "dormant commerce clause", but even when that comes into play state police powers are a clear exception, right?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:50 AM
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I think we had this one out the other day about those pay-for-play police badges, but damn that's a weird American thing.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:09 AM
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This is an oversimplification, the dormant commerce clause is complicated. But roughly, a state can have any regulation it wants so long as there's a level playing field for in-state and out-of-state actors, and a safety reg that applies to any car on the road is a level playing field.

It's easier to make sense of if you accept that the law isn't stupid and pointless (which is the assumption that courts start with about laws generally). If there's a real reason to object to tinted windows, and the elected representatives of the people of NJ think it's a powerful enough reason that they want to protect their citizens from cars with unsafely tinted window, why should the fact that a car comes from out of state exempt it from that law?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:12 AM
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I mean, the real answer is that federalism is dumb. It is completely idiotic having 50 sets of statutes for one country, and we get by, mostly, on people assuming that they anything they need to know about is going to be the same wherever they are, which is usually good enough to get by with. But once you accept that each state gets to set its own laws, you're going to have to abide by different laws if you want to go to a different state.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:14 AM
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Points for zeroing in on possibly the least interesting part of this story, and in the very first comment.

Also, window tinting really should be illegal. Or, where it's not, cops should get to fire a warning shot into the car before approaching.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:21 AM
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Yes. Especially the driver's windows. I hate not being able to tell if they are looking at me when I walk across the street.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:32 AM
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Not knowing anything about this commissioner other than that Chris Christie appointed her and she's a Democrat, this seems fairly in keeping, no?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:36 AM
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"served as the ethics chair"


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 10:13 AM
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Yes, that was perfect.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 10:32 AM
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She was the only asshole on the scene. Everyone else handled it fabulously. That was kind of nice to see.

As for her:
Don't derail my good kid's chance at life by making them suffer the consequences of their actions. Those other kids are thugs or not responsible, productive people who deserve the maximum punishment possible to deter others.

See also my daughter/son's gf/niece/friend/self should be allowed to have an abortion, but those other irresponsible women shouldn't. (Or, "sure I had an abortion, but now that I am not at risk of getting pregnant accidentally, no other women should be able to have an abortion.")


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 10:45 AM
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Another reason not to tint windows. Can't hide illicit sexy times.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 10:54 AM
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The daughter wasn't even at risk, or really involved at all! It became a bigfooting exercise.

One thing that's comforting is not just that the cops handled it well, but that they were confident that playing it by the book was the right thing to do. God help me, that speaks to a healthy culture of respect for the rule of law in their department/township/


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 10:56 AM
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That's a novel use of "bigfooting", at least to me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 11:06 AM
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19.2: A lesson Comey failed to learn.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 11:17 AM
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Bigfooting.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 11:50 AM
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Not to be confused with the far superior Big Footin'.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 12:25 PM
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Google Ngrams proposes a recent origin for bigfooting.



Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 12:50 PM
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12: AZ has special, 'hey, tint your windows' laws and they are entirely reasonable. unlike this asshole.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 7:44 PM
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It's barely ever sunny as far as I can tell.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:15 PM
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I first read of bigfoot as a noun and (I think) a verb in Crouse's 1973 book The Boys on the Bus. A good book covering the 1972 presidential election. It pairs nicely with its stablemate by Thompson.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:53 PM
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I've driven in New Jersey. It's scary. Less traffic than Philadelphia, but way stupider aggression.

O God, yeah. I used to think it was scary to drive in NYC. Then I moved out to New Jersey...

The stupid aggression. The gratuitously stupid "eff you! I'm on the road: give way to me or else!" aggression.

A four-way stop is like a game of Russian roulette (don't blink! don't ever let them see the whites of your eyes...). And then there's that maneuver that I call "the Jersey pull-out" (please note: not a reliable method of contraception, and I speak from experience...), where a driver without the right-of-way just barges ahead into a busy intersection, as bold as brass and without a care in the world for the rules of the road...

And then you can't even pump your own gas in NJ. It's all chaos and anarchy, at least until you hit a gas station...


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:58 PM
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sasquatching
abominabling snowmanning


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 8:59 PM
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And then you can't even pump your own gas in NJ

My Dad used to always make sure to buy gas when he was in Jersey because they pump it for you. I avoid buying gas there for the same reason.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04-26-18 9:43 PM
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12. The weird NJ laws about cars were the only interesting thing about the story. "Entitled official tries to pull rank and comes across as an idiot" happens about 800 times a day in NJ alone. Chris Christie comes to mind in this regard as a poster child.

28. Are you sure you didn't move to Massachusetts? At least we let you pump your own gas. I think we also have a tinted windows law but I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for violating it.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 5:08 AM
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31: If such petty pulling of rank happens every day, then this is news because of how the cops acted to stop it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 5:38 AM
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I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for violating it.

Signs all your friends are white...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 5:54 AM
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Some of my best friends are white people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:23 AM
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My Dad used to always make sure to buy gas when he was in Jersey because they pump it for you. I avoid buying gas there for the same reason.

I tried to fill up my rental car before returning to the Newark airport, but at the only nearby gas station, not only do you not pump your gas, but it was so busy that I was being waved over to the side of the parking lot to seemingly hand over my car to valet parking attendants who would drive it over to the pump when ready. This was the last thing I wanted to deal with when trying to catch a flight, so the situation must work out great for car rental places.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:27 AM
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Can't you just fly out of LaGuadia or JFK like a normal person?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:28 AM
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He's a working class hero.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:31 AM
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This was to get to Doylestown. Yes, the Philadelphia airport is so inconvenient that Newark is often better for the northern Philadelphia exurbs.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:32 AM
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Or maybe not.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:34 AM
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I don't know about exurbs, but the one time I flew into Philly (with somebody else paying because it was $700), I found the airport really convenient. Get off the plane, hop on a train, and be downtown (City Center?) in twenty minutes. Pittsburgh's airport is like an hour from my hour with traffic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:35 AM
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City Centre? I don't feel that's important enough to look up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:36 AM
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Only in America would anyone build the airport a full time zone away from the city.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:38 AM
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But we never make typos.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:39 AM
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You literally invented spellcheck.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:40 AM
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That's because of our great work ethnic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:45 AM
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As an Irish-Italian-American, you can say that without being racist.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 6:47 AM
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When we moved to NJ, my sister's (not very) bitchin' Camaro had dark window tint from its Miami days, and my mom had to scrape off the film. Sliced her hand open with a razor and had to go to the hospital. Welcome to New Jersey!


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 7:50 AM
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It's funny that everybody fixates on the gas-pumping without noticing that, thanks to the ghost of Standard Oil of NJ, until very recently "full service" gas in NJ was considerably cheaper than pump-your-own in adjoining states.

It just occurred to me that it's much more common to see gas stations in NJ without canopies, since why would you waste that money just to keep your employees dry?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 7:57 AM
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48.1: ?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 7:58 AM
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49: The tax on gasoline in New Jersey used to be very low.

48.2 ought to warm the cockles of economists' hearts.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:14 AM
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38 is insane. Doylestown is in the middle of nowhere and is maximally far away from the airport. It's further north than Trenton.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:41 AM
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Doylestown, Trenton, Newark, London, Berlin, etc. are all basically in the same place, the other side of the Squirrel Hill tunnel.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:47 AM
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50: Thanks. Why though didn't all the other Standards leave similar legacies in all the other states?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:48 AM
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Standard Oil of Ohio was so crappy it had to get purchased by BP.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:50 AM
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I don't think I'd heard "bigfooting" used thatvway before but it seems extremely useful as a word.

Encountered recently at the park when a dog owner wanted the guy at the ride-on mini train for kids under 5 to bend the rules and let the dog on the mini train because "this is kind of a celebrity dog."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:50 AM
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38/51: LVIA's sometimes an option. (Where the "I" stands for "Toronto, on rare occasions.")


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:52 AM
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55.last is a probably just a California thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 8:53 AM
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Westmoreland County has ogged's back.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 1:58 PM
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I'm just saying, the Philly airport is wedged between Philadelphia and Delaware, getting to it from the north or west by driving is a pain, and therefore a large number of people in Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia, are surprised to see they are better off flying out of somewhere else, the aforementioned LVIA, or Baltimore, or Newark.

The Trenton airport should really expand and take some of that business. Where are you, Trenton airport?

And Doylestown is not in the middle of nowhere, you maniac. It's only 10 miles from Horsham. Perhaps you're thinking of New Hope.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 2:20 PM
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The only think I know about Trenton is that they have oblivious Hessians.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 2:22 PM
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I hear they also make stuff, but the world keeps taking it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 2:44 PM
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I just got a free six pack without taking it. I was charged for it, walked out to the car before it occurred to me I wasn't charged for it, and when I went back to pay for it the owner thanked me but wouldn't take the money.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 3:43 PM
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58. MA allows tinting on all windows. They must allow 35% of light through (compare 70% in the linked article). The windshield is treated specially. Most of it can't be tinted, but not all. NJ (home of the OP) officially allows no tinting at all.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04-27-18 4:29 PM
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