Re: Reading Group: Elements of Surprise

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I'm reading this right now and like it very much.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 4:37 AM
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I have it on my Kindle, but I'm still not finished with all the Chuck Tingle books.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 4:51 AM
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To avoid spoiling Murder in the Orient Express, I did finish that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 4:54 AM
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That's a good idea: somewhere there's a list of books that will be spoiled by reading this. Maybe I'll see if I can find it and add that to the post.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 4:57 AM
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4 is like super-meta.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:04 AM
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Oh no wait, I thought you had linked that already.Here.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:05 AM
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Goddamnit I'm gaslighting myself now.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:07 AM
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David Letterman spoiled the Sixth Sense for me. I guess if there's a big reveal, you should maybe see it in the first couple of years it's out or not watch Top 10 lists.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:14 AM
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Damnit, now you spoiled that Top 10 list for me.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:21 AM
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I don't think you can really spoil Ocean's Eleven because it makes no sense anyway.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:22 AM
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It does make sense. It just isn't clever enough.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:26 AM
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Anyway, I may read along but won't contribute. I've only read maybe 1/10 of that list.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:27 AM
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I just read a goodreads review of a different book of literary analysis that complained that the book under review was superficial while at the same time revealing that the review author skimmed all discussions of stories they hadn't read in order to avoid spoilers.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:43 AM
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This is why I hate Goodreads. It's a pile of sludge, but totally dominates SEO for "$BOOK review".


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:53 AM
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I like to stand outside nurseries shouting, "The monster at the end of the book is just Grover."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:58 AM
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Furry, lovable old Grover?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:01 AM
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EoS is great, but haven't we learned not to do reading groups for books written by people who know about the blog?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:02 AM
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You people caused the zombie Heidegger outbreak?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:05 AM
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No hugs, no learning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:07 AM
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Did anybody figure out from this comment

http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_16590.html#2015422

that I'm reading this book?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:15 AM
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Yes!


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:16 AM
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No.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:25 AM
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Well, at least someone reads my comments with the attention that they deserve. Thanks, Mossy!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:35 AM
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17: I think there were problems specific to that book that wouldn't be a problem with this book. I think.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:38 AM
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It's been nearly a decade for me and longer for others. We're all going to hate each other at some point for some reason regardless of what we read.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:41 AM
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In Deighton's Declarations of War one of the stories is a stream-of-consciousness piece from the POV of a RAF fighter pilot during an engagement, c.1940. Anyone remember the title? Contents here, if it helps.
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 8:31 AM
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26: Here are some story summaries. "Adagio" maybe?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 8:47 AM
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Bingo. Thanks.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 8:50 AM
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LOVE LOVE LOVE this book, bought it early in the summer and it was a fantastic, witty, enlightening and joyful read. HIGHLY RECOMMEND!!!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 9:31 AM
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Oh good, this has been sitting in my to-read stack for a few weeks now (physically sitting, physical stack. I can see the Cheshire Cat right now from my chair. Hi kitty). Also I can finally read Mildred Pierce, assuming that the book surprise and the movie surprise are homologous. Analogous?


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 10:13 AM
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30: Did you not want to read the Mildred Pierce book because it would ruin the surprise in the movie? But now that the Tobin book has ruined the surprise of the movie you can go ahead and read the book? I think I saw the end of the old Mildred Pierce movie on TV once. So, the surprise was ruined for me except that I pretty much forgot about it until the discussion in the Tobin book reminded me.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 10:33 AM
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It's more that I already have the book and don't know how to watch movies. I am familiar with the no-budget Sonic Youth video.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 10:42 AM
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NMM to a free Manafort or a loyal Cohen.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 2:18 PM
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Just the one Cohen, I hope.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 2:21 PM
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Anyone got a link to a site that breaks down the charges he was found guilty of and those that they were deadlocked on that is not the NYT or the WP?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 2:30 PM
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No spoilers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 2:34 PM
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35: Here's one from TPM, which has been all over this story.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 2:40 PM
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Ah thanks, I've been reading TPM and I'm a Prime subscriber but I missed that.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 2:52 PM
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What I really love about Mildred Pierce, 1945 movie edition, is the opening 10 minutes or so, tbh.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 3:25 PM
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EoS is great, but haven't we learned not to do reading groups for books written by people who know about the blog

^^^ This. It is fine to talk smack to McArdle. But, on the very rare chance that there is something I would want to critique about this book, I have no desire to do it on here. And anyone who does is an a-hole.'


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:02 PM
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What if we each read a story in the spoiler list and then spoil it?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:08 PM
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We should read a book by somebody dead and so horrible that empathy won't be a concerned. Sartre?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:22 PM
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And by "we", I mean "you guys."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:24 PM
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Is being surprised a transformative experience?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:55 PM
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OT: The future is passing now and somebody wants me to send money to a Venmo name. Is there any possible way to do this with paypal?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 5:56 PM
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The answer is apparently "No", despite all the movies having bullshit about believing in myself.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:12 PM
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So a few people have read it already, a few people have been meaning to read it, a few people think this is a terrible idea, and no one wants to summarize a chapter?

FWIW, I don't think a book group needs chapter summaries necessarily. I can post a sentence and still have a discussion thread. But together with the other factors seem to point towards not undertaking the book at all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:32 PM
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I'm not completely kidding about 41, but maybe I'm looking for an excuse to read Brighton Rock.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:34 PM
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42: I READ DEAD PEOPLE


Posted by: SPOILER ALERT | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:46 PM
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I'm assuming the LB can't offend the dead.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 6:58 PM
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I SPOIL DEAD PEOPLE


Posted by: warmed over refrigerator | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 7:18 PM
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Same.


Posted by: Opinionated necrophiliac | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 7:27 PM
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The end.


Posted by: Opinionated End Titles | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 10:59 PM
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I still haven't forgiven everyone for "Thinking Fast and Slow".


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-21-18 11:49 PM
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You're still thinking about it?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-22-18 1:55 AM
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I invented a special System 3 to think about it, built entirely of rage and resentment.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-22-18 2:31 AM
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56: It inspired you!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-22-18 8:23 AM
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48: THE STARTLING CONCLUSION IS THAT CANDY IS BAD FOR YOUR TEETH


Posted by: OPINIONATED BRITISH DENTAL BOARD | Link to this comment | 08-22-18 9:51 AM
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Hi! I would like to participate. I just bought it!

Happy to summarise a chapter or two if need be?


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-23-18 12:59 PM
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57. System 4 is made of procrastination, pedantry,and intermittent obsessiveness about details unlikely to matter. It prefers to discuss morally relevant contemporary questions.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 08-23-18 1:03 PM
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I'd also be happy to take a chapter. As far as the concerns upthread, although the academy is often terrible (Ronell thread), my general experience doing grad school in English was that we'd discuss other people's arguments all the time, to or near their faces, without it ever getting personal or hurtful or less than collegial. ("Trouble," as in "I'd like to trouble this assumption," was the weirdest bit of vernacular.) Anyhow, I do think it's perfectly possible to discuss the book on the blog without typing on eggshells.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-23-18 10:15 PM
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