Re: Ramosed

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That's some super big bullshit.


Posted by: Heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 7:43 AM
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From the Boston Globe:

Williams objected right away, saying she would never cheat.

After the match ended, in an interview with ESPN, Williams's coach, Patrick Mouratoglou, acknowledged he had tried to signal Williams, but said he didn't think she had seen him -- and added that he thinks every player gets coaching during matches.

As a Patriots fan, I can relate.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 9:27 AM
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It seems to be a non-secret that all coaches coach. Her coach also said in that interview that in all his years of coaching, he'd never been called for it. And then in the final! Some bullshit.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 9:33 AM
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A lot of bullshit; one has to wonder why. Serena hugging Naomi was a great gesture on her part. After all it wasn't Osaka's fault that the official is an ass.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 9:39 AM
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So Williams lost the final because the umpire enforced the rules? Fine. Who cares? (My mom. She hates them.)


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 9:40 AM
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Please, not the Jenkins piece. An argument against Ramos and for Serena exists. Jenkins provides nothing other than dishonest hack work.


Posted by: Pissing in the Wind | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 9:51 AM
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lost the final because the umpire enforced the rules?

Don't troll, bro. The umpire has a lot of discretion, and it was used in an uncommon way at a critical juncture.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 9:58 AM
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5- Selective enforcement of the rules. Similar to the rule of law, actually- when you have laws on the books that everyone knows aren't usually enforced, they hang around as a weapon for prejudiced people to use them against classes of people they don't like.
From what I can see in this article, even McEnroe, who received plenty of post-match fines, only ever received three chair infractions in a match once in his career (although he was disqualified, not given a game penalty as Serena was).


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:00 AM
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I'm not trolling, I don't know the story. And still don't care.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:14 AM
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It's a sign of our fallen times that I can't even find the original "Ask yourself, 'Am I adding value?'" comment.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:19 AM
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From the link in 8:

May 1983 - Fined $1,000 for calling Czech opponent Tomas Smid a "communist bastard" at Forest Hills event.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:20 AM
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The coaching call in a normal match would be mildly scandalous, in a final without it having been called earlier in the tournament it raises to scandalous. The racket thing is a dumb rule, but everyone knows it's the rule and I don't blame the ref for that. A *game* penalty for saying something mean to the ref in a *final* is completely insane and the ref should probably never work again (like Crawford after he lost his cool with Duncan). Just remind the player that their next infraction is a game penalty and lower the temperature. But for something as mild as "thief"? Good grief. Shouldn't even warrant a *first* warning. People aren't there to watch the ref.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:38 AM
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The law, in its majestic equality, plus its majestic discretion.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:44 AM
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I'd still probably be against the third call if she'd dropped an f-bomb or threatened to kill the ref, but anything short of that it shouldn't even be a debate. She didn't even swear!?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 10:49 AM
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I hope Serena wins two majors early next year so she can skip the US Open.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:00 AM
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They should roll a D20 before each set to decide what proportion of infractions to penalize.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:03 AM
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12 and 14 are right. It's outrageous.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:04 AM
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Or just auction off immunities beforehand. Whole new event to televise!


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:04 AM
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I'm with Upe and others on this: bullshit.

Dave's comment reminded me of a football game I was watching some years ago: that Patriots-Raiders snowy playoff. Bad call saves the Patriots from certain defeat, and, in the face of this injustice, the Raiders just basically fell apart. At the elite level, sports are more mental than physical. (Ok, always physical, but the mental element comes to dominate).


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:10 AM
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Exactly. With a pre-game auction that whole dynamic would just go away.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:11 AM
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(Ok, maybe it wasn't actually a bad call, given a technical read of the rule. The Raiders experienced as an injustice though, and lost the game because of that.)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 11:24 AM
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19: I am (slightly) surprised to see that the game has a wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_Rule_Game


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:00 PM
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Just left my tennis lesson. Liberal octogenarian instructor said the difference in her language was that she made it "personal". He also used the word "nasty". Barf.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:05 PM
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For anyone who missed the match, the BBC has a report: "Three games later Osaka was awarded a point when Williams was given another code violation for smashing her racquet.
Williams was furious, walking up to Ramos, shouting and pointing at him as the crowd started booing in support of the American in a toxic atmosphere.
At the next change of ends, Williams continued to rant, calling Ramos a "liar", telling him to "say you are sorry" and describing him as a "thief" for awarding a point to Osaka."


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:09 PM
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Sounds nasty to me!


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:15 PM
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"The American tennis journalist Richard Deitsch agreed it was sexism, claiming a man of Williams's professional stature would not have been subject to such stringent enforcement of the rules. He tweeted: "I covered 17 US Opens for Sports Illustrated. There is no way a men's player with Serena's resume (multiple Grand Slam titles, economic driver of the sport) is getting a third code violation for that language in the finals of a major. No way."


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:44 PM
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"A *game* penalty for saying something mean to the ref in a *final* is completely insane and the ref should probably never work again"

...which is pretty much what Williams threatened the umpire with if he didn't apologise.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:51 PM
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Nope -- not reffing a game with SW in it and not reffing at all are pretty different things.

Example: the ref who made that call in the Raiders/Patriots game never worked another Raiders game, but still had a job.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 12:58 PM
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Good point. It wouldn't have made much difference to his career prospects to be branded a dishonest, incompetent bigot by the most famous tennis player in the world.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 1:02 PM
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27: You mean what Nadal literally threatened the same referee during a match at the French Open and didn't get penalized for?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 1:10 PM
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Here's Federer in the finals of the US Open swearing multiple times at the ref basically because Federer is mad he's getting outplayed in the match. No violation given.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 1:16 PM
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29 He certainly made the wrong choice from that perspective. Forgoing that final call, SW would very likely have lost the match, and the bullshit coaching call would be a footnote people would be telling SW to get over.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 1:28 PM
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Ask yourself, "Am I treating professional sports with the seriousness it deserves?"


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 1:49 PM
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That's some real good not-caring right there, yessir.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 2:52 PM
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Because 2018, the Right is pro-Ramos and anti-Serena. Can't we just have fun?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 09- 9-18 5:53 PM
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