Re: FB

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Honestly, if anything I'm disappointed. Lots of anecdotes and interesting details here, very little actual new information. I kept looking for something like a smoking gun and didn't find it. Maybe I read too much into "expose?"


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 4:27 PM
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The part I keep seeing excerpted, that golden woman Sandberg simultaneously smeared FB critics as anti Semitic and secretly funded by Soros, seems like a new detail.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 6:21 PM
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Talk about leaning in!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 6:30 PM
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Keeping people from using antisemitism for personal profit just because they are Jewish isn't any more fair than keeping them out of country clubs for the same reason.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 6:50 PM
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Yes, the meat of the story is the stuff about Sandberg and her politicking, and I suspect the result is that she will be forced to resign long before Zuckerberg. Which might be good or might be bad.

This guy, though, is just a villain -- here's the first of three or four quotes like this:

Mr. Kaplan argued that Mr. Trump was an important public figure and that shutting down his account or removing the statement could be seen as obstructing free speech, said three employees who knew of the discussions. He said it could also stoke a conservative backlash.
"Don't poke the bear," Mr. Kaplan warned.

Who is to blame for having a Mephistophelian piece of shit like this advising business decisions, which is to say core ethical decisions? Looks like Sandberg, but it's never just one person.

Anyway yeah -- the two questions that came up for me were "how guilty is Sandberg?" and "what would a realistic but ethical response to the Trump/Russian threat have looked like?"


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 8:13 PM
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One more quote:

Some colleagues believed that Ms. Sandberg -- whose ambitions to return to public life were much discussed at the company -- was protecting her own brand at Facebook's expense. At one company gathering, said two people who knew of the event, friends told Ms. Sandberg that if Facebook did not address the scandals effectively, its role in spreading hate and fear would define her legacy, too.

Those were good friends, but way too late with that one.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 8:16 PM
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Isn't part of the problem that Facebook's user base became a lot more like Fox News's audience because young people dumped it? So then they had idiot old people sharing obviously fake stories and were afraid of offending their remaining customers. That doesn't forgive what they did but explains why they thought kowtowing to right wingers was the right business model.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 8:21 PM
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And Joel Kaplan is Kavanaugh's buddy who was at the hearings (prominently) on his "own time" though everyone knows he's FB's chief lobbyist. So Federalist Society friendly.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 11-15-18 11:02 PM
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7: Young people dumped it? I don't know, there's basically no one in my social circle between the ages of 5 and 35. What are they using now to coordinate with friends and cyberbully each other? Twitter? Instagram?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 8:14 AM
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9 Fortnite


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 8:19 AM
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There's a clear divide between my 18-year-old's cohort, who use FB Messenger to chat among themselves but never post anything to their timelines, and my 15-year-old's, who despise FB altogether and communicate via Snapchat. Both groups use Instagram and Whatsapp.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 8:47 AM
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Maybe the time is ripe for a new youth subculture that only communicate by hand-written letters.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 9:03 AM
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Hawaii has been mailing letters lately, to school friends and to her grandmother. She's very secretive and we aren't allowed to see what's in them.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 9:17 AM
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How do you change the privacy settings in your physical mailbox?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 9:21 AM
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You change the combination on the lock.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 9:24 AM
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Then decide who to tell.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 9:26 AM
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they had idiot old people sharing obviously fake stories

Shoulda called it "the Othering place" instead.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 11:47 AM
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7 is pretty interesting and I think explains a lot.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 2:10 PM
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7 and 11 are we we so desperately need anti-trust to stop FB from buying smaller rivals. At least then we'd have a rotation succession of callow boy-kings ruining society, and maybe sometimes they'd cancel each other out.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 2:31 PM
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So you have a former Clinton administration official relying on Republican-leaning hired guns to discredit her corporate opponents by any means possible and presumably mostly to protect her personal wealth. Why is this different from hundreds of other corporations? Shine, Perishing Republic.


Posted by: William Howard Taft | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 6:37 PM
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Wait. Zuckerberg?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:08 PM
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"Before Google, Sandberg served as chief of staff for United States Secretary of the Treasury Lawrence Summers."
I can't believe someone who worked for Summers might be a bad person.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:12 PM
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I was joking that 20 was written by Zuckerberg.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:19 PM
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I know where you eat/sleep/shop/procreat, Moby


Posted by: OPinioated Zuckerberg | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:44 PM
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I know where you eat/sleep/shop/procreat, Moby


Posted by: OPinioated Zuckerberg | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:45 PM
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I know where you eat/sleep/shop/procreat, Moby


Posted by: OPinioated Zuckerberg | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:45 PM
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That's three times he's threatened you. Drink the mead and the deal is done.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:46 PM
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I'm anti-creat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 7:47 PM
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Mead is creat-neutral.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 8:01 PM
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All I have is beer. Unless you count the vanilla extract.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-16-18 8:26 PM
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Uncle Ned, is that you?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-17-18 2:31 AM
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On topic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-18 1:05 PM
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For the record, I did not drink the vanilla extract.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-18 1:06 PM
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It's like $10 for less alcohol than a single beer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-18 1:13 PM
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The typo in 24 reveals it to be from a Linux or Unix kernel pretending to Zuckerberg. For all we know, he's been dead all this time and it's been an elaborate Max-Headroom-style hoax.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-18-18 1:25 PM
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