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The biggest lie of all is "Sarah Huckabee Sanders Being Replaced". I guess she didn't leave until 2019. But still that seems more like a rumor that turned out to be wrong rather than an outright lie.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:06 AM
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I am fascinated by the way that the Trump folks took over the phrase "fake news." That used to be the term used to describe, you know, fake news. Now we have to use some other language - "junk news" in this case.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:23 AM
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Also interesting: Some significant examples include slanders against Trump. I wouldn't have thought it was possible to slander Trump.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:25 AM
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"Fake news" as a term never had much general currency in its useful meaning for that much long, as I recall. Those sites started to be noted as more than just a curiosity in 2016 ("Pope endorses Trump"), the term gained currency, and then I think within six months after the election it had been fully co-opted.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:33 AM
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A wailing! A gnashing of teeth! A cure for Ebola!


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:59 AM
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There must be an Onion article where a fake news writer who takes pride in his craft bemoans how the public accepts any old garbage that doesn't even get the governor of California plausible.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 9:17 AM
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Man, those were heady, innocent days, before the dark times, when complete bullshit masquerading as news seemed like generally another site trying to carve out an Onion-like niche and could be judged mainly by its entertainment value or lack thereof, as opposed to now when we literally have to ask ourselves, "is this part of a plot by Nazis funded by Russians to subvert democracy and the liberal international order"?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 9:35 AM
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"Close to Me" and Footloose have similar sounding drums.

Considering how quickly people started sending each other crappy links on fb, maybe the bubble will also burst quickly.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 9:57 AM
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Hey, remember when News Corp wasted a zillion dollars buying Myspace? What if Myspace had made it? What if Myspace had become Facebook? Owned by Murdoch? #notthedarkestimeline


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 10:03 AM
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Honestly, I didn't know that's who bought it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 10:31 AM
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"Close to Me" and Footloose have similar sounding drums.

Totally.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 10:36 AM
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News Corp is now taking a different approach.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 1:35 PM
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7: When the sites that so annoyed us at least had a satire/parody disclaimer in fine print somewhere.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 3:10 PM
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Oh, oops - that Jerry Brown story was in fact circulated when he was still governor.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 3:14 PM
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5: Good news! I remember Paul Farmer's declaration that the majority of patients should survive with supportive care during the last outbreak, and I'm curious how these numbers compare with state of the art supportive care. I think his off the cuff number was something like 90% of patients should survive with high quality supportive care, fluids, electrolytes, etc. I'm not going to look too hard, but I wonder what the standard of care was for patients in treatment. Still, amazing that NIH, MSF, and WHO were able to run a multidrug trial during this (and last) outbreak.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 5:55 PM
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So, why wouldn't Trump hosting the G8 at his own golf resort violate the Emoluments clause?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 6:34 PM
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So, why wouldn't Trump hosting the G8 at his own golf resort violate the Emoluments clause?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 6:34 PM
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RE: "fake news" becoming used for 'reporting on reality':
I'm kind of curious why 'all conservative accusations are really projection' is so damn true. Is it an inability to understand liberals and so conservatives are assuming they think just like conservatives do? Some understanding that there isn't any way to be more evil than what they are currently doing?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 6:39 PM
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I feel so glum and pessimistic about the world, some days I won't even check the headlines, never mind read any articles, about the current state of affairs. I feel guilty about fostering/indulging such wilful ignorance, but it's a mental health thing.


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 7:47 PM
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16, 17: Such a good question, it deserved to asked twice.

IANAL, but my understanding is that it would violate the Emoluments clause.

Good luck finding someone with the authority and the will to enforce this.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:15 PM
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3: There's actually been many lies spread about Trump. This one fooled me and Bette Midler --https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1998-trump-people-quote/


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 8:21 PM
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Authority, will, and standing.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08-26-19 9:42 PM
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In Soviet Russia, the "Will and Grace" remake had a different title.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 4:58 AM
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So, why wouldn't Trump hosting the G8 at his own golf resort violate the Emoluments clause?

Because the Emoluments clause is a dead letter these days?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 5:19 AM
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It's like strictures against deficit spending or the need to practice basis human decency. It only applies if you aren't Republican.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 5:27 AM
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Speaking of, Andy Ngo turned out to be too bad at hiding his connections to the militias to stay working for Quillette. Is there any way to send him a milkshake to cheer him up while he looks for work?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 5:34 AM
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Speaking of lies or human decency.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:26 AM
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A Vietnamese guy joined a white militia?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:29 AM
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No. He just did their propaganda as a means of promoting his career.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:34 AM
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Yellowbersturmbannf├╝hrer

A Bruce Lee joint


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:34 AM
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I prefer my version.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:35 AM
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The real Oregon is hugely disappointing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:43 AM
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That's why Bruce went to Seattle.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 6:49 AM
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One of the mysterious differences between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives will immediately hijack a term, and liberals won't. It's like once a word has a definition liberals must bow down before the Iron Law of Descriptive Linguistics and never try to change it. Supposedly both "politically correct" and "SJW" both started on the left to make fun of holier-than-thou types.

Liberals could have easily stolen "All Lives Matter". Right now, liberals should steal "judicial activism" for the Roberts Court, but they never, ever will. Christ, liberals were too polite to keep using "tea bagger", even though conservatives started that one.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 2:52 PM
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Not only that, liberals simply don't care when one of their terms becomes politically toxic. They double down because facts and logic are on their side.

How about just finding another term for "toxic masculinity", after you notice that when anyone who didn't go to the same college classes as you hears the term "toxic masculinity", they start a disagreement which you try to resolve with futile explanations of how using the word "toxic masculinity" in no way is meant to imply that masculinity is toxic. How about instead of trying to convince everyone that contrary to what they thought from ages 5 to 20, or ages 5 to 50, "racism" doesn't mean prejudice against a different race, it means a form of prejudice that is inherently structural and can only be carried out by a powerful race against a less powerful race, and it also in fact is a purely neutral and descriptive word that people should not be unhappy to have applied to their own thoughts and actions ... how about using a different word?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 3:46 PM
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They double down because facts and logic are on their side.

Hey! That's me! I keep trying to get us to arrange a one day symposium on managed retreat. Fucking every other person who hears about it nods sagely, agrees it is desperately needed, and have I considered using a less controversial name, like "adaptation" or some fucking thing?

I alternate between thinking, fine whatever, just let me hold my fucking symposium and wanting to shout NO THAT'S THE NAME OF THE THING PEOPLE NEED TO FACE IT AND LET'S START WITH THE GODDAMNED WORDS.

Amazingly, I am not making good progress.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 4:28 PM
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Do you have a less-than-one-day reading list on that?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 4:45 PM
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The managed retreat part, that is, not the maddening futility.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 08-27-19 4:46 PM
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