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Re: Guest Post - This Banned Analogy is a Call for Non-Analogous Speculation

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Paul Ryan. He's laying low right now but in 20204 he'll be back with a message of "hey rich people, remember I brought you tax cuts?"


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:04 AM
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Is he fascist too?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:07 AM
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I think Paul Ryan isn't horrible enough. Probably Jerry Falwell (junior or the third).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:31 AM
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I'm thinking Ben Sasse thinks it's him, but he's very wrong.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:40 AM
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Tom Cotton.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 9:02 AM
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The fact that he's named Tom Cotton is so on-the-nose that if it were a script, it'd be lazy writing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 9:04 AM
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"Flem Snopes" might have been slightly more on the nose, but not much.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 9:30 AM
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Came here to say 5. He's got that populist dictator pizzazz.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 9:45 AM
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Three names? There have to be more.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 12:37 PM
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Jerry Falwell Jr. seems unlikely. He's more like one of Trump's sons than a political genius. And Trey Falwell is just a failson.

If I have to name someone else... enh. Dan Crenshaw, I guess.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 1:37 PM
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Eyepatch? Seriously? I guess that's the one to watch.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 1:47 PM
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He's an outside pick, but I think he could play the Trumpist card smartly. As opposed to, say, Matt Gaetz.

My underlying bias is a--and this is not the right word--hope that whoever out-Trumps Trump is going to be someone who is actually smart and has respect for expertise, at least to the extent that it empowers them. It'd be so disappointing if we fell for idiots twice in a row.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 1:59 PM
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Donald Trump, Jr. He's been traipsing aroudn speaking to right wing audiences for a couple of years now. He looks like his father, except young and healthy, and is just as dumb. His speaking voice is stronger. On policy he's to the right of his dad. And unlike his father, he does real man stuff like shoot elephants.

Ivanka is daddy's favorite but she's too, uh, cosmopolitan, incompletely right wing, and may be insufficiently stupid for the role.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:08 PM
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Salvini was never prime minister. What did you mean by that in the OP?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:23 PM
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Presumably Salvini isn't down for the count yet?

I've described this--possibly stolen from someone here--as: who is Trump the John the Baptist for? Who has Trump opened up the way to do what he did but more so, and more competently? If Trump is Sulla (yes, unfair to Sulla), who is Caesar?


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:29 PM
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The question is, who are the competent, professional, fascists who are and will be emerging now Trump's incompetent amateur fascism has reset all the norms.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:34 PM
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Or, 15.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:35 PM
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Aha.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:36 PM
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Take on me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:53 PM
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Take me on.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:53 PM
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You're fascist?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 2:57 PM
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80s music forever.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 3:01 PM
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I can't really parse that. Anyway, if you're fascist I think dal is closest, so he can punch you.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 3:07 PM
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I'll be gone.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 3:17 PM
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Take, take on meeeee.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 3:28 PM
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Sometimes I feel I've got to run away.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 3:28 PM
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I made a pilgrimage to save this humans race. You should see why.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 3:31 PM
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I am at a Yu-gi-oh tournament/game night with Pokey. I am just lurking in the background, of course. This kid of maybe 14-15 is just being the sweetest mentor possible to Pokey - helping him cull his deck of banned cards, making sure Pokey's self-taught rules are correct, etc. It's just one of those unexpectedly lovely details of a bunch of people doing a hobby for the sheer joy and it's giving me the feels.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 4:26 PM
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I hated that cartoon. "Now I play my Wild-Eyed Magician because I'm from a double income household filing singly and have student loan interest paid of less than $250."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 4:38 PM
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Should I have seen this cartoon myself?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 4:42 PM
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In addition to Tom Cotton, I've seen Josh Hawley mentioned a lot as positioning himself for this role.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 5:41 PM
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It's going to be Ted Cruz, because America doesn't deserve things that aren't shit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 5:45 PM
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I guess Peter Thiel isn't a natural born citizen, so probably not him


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 6:30 PM
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We're not that shit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 6:39 PM
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Maybe we are!


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:11 PM
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Fascists are welcome at all levels of government, Spike.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:14 PM
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Hawley's got quite the smirk. Someone in greater DC should go punch him.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 7:26 PM
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I just had a cheering thought. Bolton's got to have a book (because that will earn him money, which can be exchanged for goods and services) and it's got to come out before the election (because that's when it would sell most) and it's got to attack Trump's foreign policy (because Trump didn't start a single war and is clearly a not at all willing to check Russian expansion). That's got to hurt at least a little bit. Are there 10,000 Russian hawks who voted Trump in Pennsylvania in 2016 and might read a review of a book by Bolton?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 8:06 PM
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I'M AN AMERICAN HAWK


Posted by: OPINIONATED CHRISTOPHER WALKEN | Link to this comment | 09-25-19 8:10 PM
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NMM to Jacques Chirac

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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-26-19 3:12 AM
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Are there 10,000 Russian hawks who voted Trump in Pennsylvania in 2016 and might read a review of a book

Let me stop you right there.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-26-19 8:11 AM
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Looks like Paul Ryan's got a long knife out so I'm standing by my prediction in comment 1.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-26-19 8:29 PM
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Though I would amend my prediction to say that perhaps Paul Ryan has his eye on 2020, not 2024.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-26-19 8:39 PM
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The link in 42 was the first thing that made me think that something could actually happen. As long as Trump has Fox News and Mitch McConnell in his corner, he's immune from all consequences for anything, but the moment he loses either of them who knows.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 6:01 AM
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If the Republicans want out, I think the most painless (for them) is agreeing to go along with the 25th Amendment option in return for halting the investigation.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 6:33 AM
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At this point I think 25th Amendment would be too easy on them. Pence is in it up to his neck and we need investigations to uncover that.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 9:35 AM
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Pence is in it up to his neck
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Not that I specifically know otherwise, but apparently the NSC for instance is essentially not even meeting anymore. Trump only trusts his NY mafia and Pence isn't that.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 9:41 AM
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E.g. making his own calls to Ukraine about "corruption". I'm sure there's much more; remember his original helping to cover up Flynn's crimes.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 10:33 AM
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46, 47: I didn't get the details, but I recently read that Trump implicated Pence in the Ukraine thing himself. I figured it was either more lunacy, or Trump making it clear to Republicans that they're stuck with him. "Impeach me," he'd be saying, "and you don't get President Pence, you get that woman." Really though, lunacy seems more likely.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 10:46 AM
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Trump probably had that motivation, but we don't need to take his word for it: there's an extensive public record on his backing up Trump's message to Zelensky.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 12:19 PM
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50: Thanks.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 12:26 PM
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50: Ages ago, before the 2018 midterms, I mentioned a stupid fantasy that both Trump and Pence could be impeached and removed from office, leaving Pelosi president. It's still not going to happen, but it's slightly less absurd these days.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:02 PM
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I assume they would make sure Pence went out first after Trump picked somebody else or that Trump went out enough before Pence that Pence would have time to pick a new VP. Assuming they aren't both on the pee tape.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:40 PM
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What is the drill for picking a new VP? Do they need confirming or something or is it left up to the president?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:42 PM
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Could you take Johnson? He should be available pretty soon.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:44 PM
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Majority of both Houses of Congress has to approve.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:44 PM
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55: I see he was born in the United States, so maybe?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:48 PM
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Honestly, "White man in late middle age who has held positions of power but who nobody is really enthused about putting in charge of more things" is pretty much everybody we've ever had.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:53 PM
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Surely it would be the other order, since no one could trust Trump to not do something crazy in the mean time, but Pence could be trusted to pick someone reasonable in exchange for a pardon.

The new VP just needs to be nominated and confirmed by the Senate. This actually happened in slow-motion with two separate scandals when Nixon-Agnew were elected and Agnew resigned due to one scandal, was replaced by Ford, and then Nixon resigned and Ford became president.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:58 PM
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Sorry, 56 is right.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 2:59 PM
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Our only president born in Omaha.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 3:00 PM
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The fuck?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-19 7:07 PM
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62. Wow. no exclamation mark, I'm long past being surprised or shocked by anything to do with politics in the Anglosphere.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-28-19 5:27 AM
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