Re: Weekend Longread

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It doesn't say if he got the job.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 11:49 AM
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Never mind. It's for a job he already has because of a merger.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 11:54 AM
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I get that's not the point, but I like a narrative with an ending.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 11:55 AM
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A four tweet thread is now a long read? Standards are dropping fast.
One thing I hate about twitter is how easy it is to accidentally like something just when scrolling because their mobile UI sucks. I've had times where I checked my profile and turns out I liked some racist bullshit response to a thread I was scrolling through. I suggest people check their own "like" history regularly if you're using your real info.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 12:01 PM
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If you read the comments it's The Longest Read.

But you shouldn't read the comments.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 2:38 PM
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Oh, ha. I didn't go very far, and just assumed he cherry-picked his way through the 351 pages.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 3:00 PM
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It's a good thing I never wrote anything online that might be flagged as a potential problem.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 1-20 5:08 PM
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Honestly, I think that if the top 10% most active twitter users suddenly became unemployable, it would be an overall benefit for society. There would be collateral damage, sure, but the positives would outweigh the negatives.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02- 2-20 6:19 AM
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But they would have even more time to twit.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 2-20 6:25 AM
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8: Who would that be? Twitter is such vast and strange universe. The other day thousands and thousands of tweeters around the world were all worked up about a little girl and her pink perfect attendance pencil. Just about every day one of the hot trending topics is related to BTS or maybe some other Korean boy band .I rediscovered an old friend on Twitter - she has very serious disabling health problems, and using Twitter to help get dogs adopted from the local humane society has given her a purpose in life.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02- 2-20 7:45 AM
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I like it as a delivery method. Just saw this: https://twitter.com/NWSMissoula/status/1223982976536465409/photo/1 How long is China going to keep up this hoax?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02- 2-20 7:56 AM
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10: Well, I did allow that there would be collateral damage.

I'm sure that someone somewhere is getting something out of it, but IMO the overall toxicity twitter has injected into the culture vastly outweighs any conceivable benefit. I think it's absolutely no coincidence that Trump is the first twitter president.

At this point, taking off and nuking the entire site from orbit is the only way to be sure.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02- 2-20 9:26 AM
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I'm in.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 2-20 9:31 AM
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I pretty much only ever read Twitter and post nothing (and not that often either), but I will say that for clever quick-hit comedy, it's just about unbeatable.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 5:34 AM
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Dude. Moby is standing right there.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 5:37 AM
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Was/is there actually a Maritime Sailors' Cathedral in Detroit?
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:11 AM
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I'm mostly AI these days.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:19 AM
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16: The Great Lakes are really big.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:21 AM
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These days "AI" just means "software". And we all know you're made of SAS and cob.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:21 AM
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The sunken cathedral is in France. I want to know about Detroit.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:23 AM
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16: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariners'_Church


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:25 AM
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The Kite Runner: watch/no-watch?
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Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:26 AM
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My sole connection to the Great Lakes is dimly-remembered episodes of Due South. Which were, AIFAICR, vaguely interesting. Interior, yet waterborne; an inland frontier, yet maritime; well within the documented industrial modern, yet folkloric.
(I don't have to work tomorrow, so I'm drinking whiskey. Apologies in advance, as neccessary.)


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:31 AM
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My first experience of the Great Lakes was swimming in Lake Michigan with my siblings as children. We found about $40 in small bills washing into shore and it wasn't until I was older that I started to wonder if it was from the wallet of a dead guy wearing cement shoes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:34 AM
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Whisky. The Japanese remain true, despite the occupation and their affinity for baseball.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 6:36 AM
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OT: has anyone seen "Be More Chill" and is it any good?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:07 AM
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Japan is just starting to get into international cricket. Going by past trends (baseball, football, rugby) they could be in the top flight in 20 years or so.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:08 AM
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My breath, it is bated.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:11 AM
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I lost my wedding ring in Lake Michigan two weeks after getting married.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:12 AM
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15 made me LOL

I have 2 twitter accounts; one for wasting time on the internet and the other for professional use and it is remarkable how different they are in terms of exposing me to trolls, outrage porn, and whatever else would fall under the label "toxicity." That is, there's basically none of that in my "science twitter" timeline; it's just scientists flogging their latest papers, bitching about admin, and making incredibly nerdy jokes. Whereas in my other one, I get all the usual garbage even with a hair-trigger block finger, just because I have some political and pop culture follows in there.

I do actually agree that Twitter and Facebook are a net harm to civilization with the worst likely still to come, but it's interesting that they don't *have* to be, we just tend to use them harmfully because of the particular ways that human nature is stupid.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:22 AM
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28: Just thought it might redeem them a little in your eyes, given the baseball.

Anyway, the spelling is because the first whisky brewer in Japan learned his craft in Scotland; after having worked for Suntory he set up his own distillery in Hokkaido, the closest he could get to the Scottish environment, under the lovely name of Dainipponkaju ("The Great Japan Fruit Juice Company"), later shortened to Nikka.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:23 AM
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I thought that was just a name faked up for Lost in Translation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:31 AM
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Da -> Dai?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:47 AM
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Cricket sucks, but it dresses better than baseball.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:49 AM
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33. Yes.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:58 AM
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29: That means Lake Michigan's wife is cheating on him with you.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 7:59 AM
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Nice, a lot of Welshmen will be happy to find out "Dai" means "great" in Japan.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 8:20 AM
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Japan is just starting to get into international cricket. Going by past trends (baseball, football, rugby) they could be in the top flight in 20 years or so.

Not hard to get into the top flight of cricket - how many of the national teams are made up of mostly professionals? 15? 10? I see names like United States of America (gotta be a team of amateurs), Canada (ditto), Namibia (looks like it's all members of the Afrikaner diaspora), Hong Kong and Jersey in the top 25 of the ICC rankings (differs depending on the format).


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 8:29 AM
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30: There's one science/history of science blogger I read who has transitioned mostly to twitter. And it's pretty much like his blog except annoyingly broken up into tiny chunks. So I can believe that science twitter might be somewhat less bad than twitter in general.

What I find hard to understand though is this. There are lots of great things about the internet, but everyone agrees that the biggest downside is the prevalence of trolls and jerks and crazy people. As far as I can see, the only real major innovation of social media relative to the older internet is that it limits your ability to control who you interact with*, so get exposed to trolls and lunatics more often. How is that an improvement?

*I'm not on twitter, but I'm told that if you try very hard and constantly adjust your settings you can maybe avoid 90% of the jerks. But what's the advantage of making it that difficult?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 8:29 AM
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37: We thought about Dai as a name for one of our sons, as there's so few boy's names that work well in both Japanese and English, but being called "Big" would have just set him up to be teased. Still better than Ben ("excrement"), though.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 8:31 AM
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40.last seeing "Big Ben bongs for Brexit" in an entirely different light.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 8:51 AM
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Cricket sucks, but it dresses better than baseball.

The 1971 Orioles might dispute that assertion.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 9:02 AM
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38. It's bloody hard to get into the top flight at cricket, because the people who run the game internationally are incredibly proprietory on behalf of their own countries. It's a jealously guarded closed shop. Twelve members and only two new countries admitted since 2000 (Ireland and Afghanistan). Getting into the second flight is easy, there are 92 associate members of the International Cricket Council, but they don't get to vote on the rules, the programme or who gets the money.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 9:11 AM
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41 made me giggle and generally improved my life


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 02- 3-20 10:55 AM
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I have a vague ATM. Maybe I'll make it more specific in a bit but right now I don't have the energy and just want to toss around the question: at what stage in a dating relationship is it appropriate to try to work on something you need to be different versus just conclude that you're not compatible and end that relationship? Presumably after 1 date if something seems very wrong you just don't see them again; after a year of foundation building you presumably have enough investment to be willing to expend some effort. When do other people think that tipping point comes?

I'm having an impulse to tell someone I don't think we should be romantic partners but I can't tell if this is coming in part from mood problems of mine and if I were feeling better I'd be more generous and optimistic, or if it's somehow unfair to the fledgling relationship to not try to have a conversation about the problem.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 5-20 8:38 PM
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Wah everyone wants to talk about politics and no one wants to talk about relationships. I guess the answer is I should try to bring the issue up and see if I can get any movement.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 5:00 AM
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Generally, I might bring something up early but only if it were kind of super specific and more about my preferences than about them. "Using babytalk in public is a dealbreaker for me. Is that something you can never do again?" Anything less concrete or more about them, I'd probably fade quietly away and look for someone else.

Mostly, if you've just started dating someone, if you're not delighted about it then I don't see it getting better.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 5:22 AM
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I dunno, it's maybe in between those cases. It's "you express affection by teasing, but it is at its current levels too much, too aggressive, about too sensitive topics, including at times when I really don't have the emotional energy to constantly deflect and contextualize something as just a joke." I actually am convinced it's just a joke, but I don't think I can really keep communicating this way in any circumstance when I'm not otherwise super relaxed.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 5:49 AM
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Ugh. That sounds like something you could bring up in an "I know it's meant affectionately, but being teased doesn't work for me unless I'm feeling completely comfortable and relaxed," kind of way. But I wouldn't have much hope and would be ready to fade out.

Someone who's not sensitive enough to you to notice when they're making you feel bad and quit it is probably not a good fit for you, even if they're a good person generally.

On the flip side, don't take advice from me, what do I know? I've never done anything to improve a relationship that wasn't working in my life.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:16 AM
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Being in a relationship with somebody who notices you sounds like it would be difficult to get away with stuff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:30 AM
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A man needs his space.


Posted by: Robert Hansen | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:32 AM
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Not just serial killers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:44 AM
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I totally wasn't a serial killer. Except arguably in a very indirect sense which would stretch the common usage of the term far beyond breaking point.


Posted by: Robert Hansen | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:52 AM
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Is it possible you spelled your own name wrong?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:54 AM
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Stupid phone.


Posted by: Robert Hanssen | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 6:56 AM
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Part of me hopes that Moby is conversing with himself in 50-55.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:13 AM
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That's one of my scruples. I don't do that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:23 AM
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Nor I.


Posted by: Robert Hanssen | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:25 AM
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It's "you express affection by teasing, but it is at its current levels too much, too aggressive, about too sensitive topics, including at times when I really don't have the emotional energy to constantly deflect and contextualize something as just a joke." I actually am convinced it's just a joke, but I don't think I can really keep communicating this way in any circumstance when I'm not otherwise super relaxed.

Mentioning this to them is win-win, right? If they respond in a way that reveals them to be flexible and sensitive, then you've discovered that they've got another strength. If it goes belly up, then you've revealed something about them, and you were thinking about ending it over this, anyway.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:26 AM
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I might.


Posted by: Robert Hansen | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:28 AM
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Scum.


Posted by: Robert Hanssen | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:29 AM
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I laughed


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 7:35 AM
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59: I mean, I'm sure he'd feel bad. Once I did show that something hurt my feelings and he was very kissy and affectionate to try to make it better. I just think LB is probably right about it not being practically addressable, because this seems to me like a very fundamental part of his communication style (he says his whole family is this way), and I just don't really like it. I like the related quality that is playful/always looking for a joke; it just should not so often be at my expense. But I guess I can talk to him about it. Part of the conflict I was feeling yesterday was that I wasn't even feeling like texting him, and previously established patterns would have had me thanking him for coming over and initiating a next plans conversation, so I wasn't sure how we would even have this conversation. But he texted me at the end of the day, maybe signaling that letting a day go by with no contact wasn't feeling good to him, which has maybe warmed me up enough that we can move towards seeing each other this weekend. Obviously I don't sound incredibly enthused.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 8:17 AM
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It can be a break up conversation where you're honest about why, and open to him asking for a chance to address that.

But if reading that feels off, then it sounds like you're ready to be done?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 8:26 AM
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I think it sounds okay. And I really should consider the possibility that my current not great mood is dampening some of my can do spirit. Until the other day, that we would continue to see each other felt like an inevitability even if I was ambivalent about it. So it's probably fine to leave the door open a crack, and if we just stop seeing each other, it's not like I'm not prepared for that outcome.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 6-20 9:05 AM
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