I have a question. Anyone know which is the preferred term between "minority-majority" and "majority-minority"? I was corrected once for using one of them, but I don't know which one I said, and I'm seeing them both on the internet.
Hospitalizations and 7 day averaged positive rate in Maryland are declining again. So that's good.
On the down side, I'm really annoyed at the scientifically illiterate reporting coming from The Guardian. Earlier this week they published a story on an antibody study that has people running around like their hair's on fire shrieking "No immunity to covid 19, were'reallgonnadie!!".
Granted immunology is complicated, but "antibodies are not the whole story on immunity" seems like part of the minimal knowledge you should have if you're writing stories on the subject.
The lack of basic logic, much less simple scientific knowledge, is so depressing. If there were no immunity everyone who caught it would die. Clearly the body has ways to clear the virus or block further replication and the details of innate vs. adaptive vs. B vs. Th1 or Th2 isn't necessary to understand that the virus doesn't liquefy you into a pile of viral particles.
As a reasonably educated person, while it seems obvious when I think about it with some prompting, the fact that 'immunity' in the sense that you don't get sick from a disease because your immune system protects you is the same biological process as catching the disease, getting sick, and then recovering rather than just getting sicker and sicker until you die, somehow wasn't obvious to me. Those feel like two totally separate concepts, and having it pointed out that it's all the same immune system was surprising.
You lose immunity when, after murdering Mel Gibson's girlfriend, he shoots you saying, "immunity revoked." This was before he changed his position on racism.
If there were no immunity everyone who caught it would die.
But this is really different from how "immunity" is used in regular conversation, as far as I can ever remember. Usually it's used to mean the protection you earn for having suffered through the disease.
I believe that scientists may use it differently, the way lawyers insist that corporations should have personhood, but I don't know that the Guardian is being incorrect to use common usage correctly.
the fact that 'immunity' in the sense that you don't get sick from a disease because your immune system protects you is the same biological process as catching the disease, getting sick, and then recovering rather than just getting sicker and sicker until you die, somehow wasn't obvious to me.
I still think these are different. One is building your t-cells or whatever from the ground up. The other is having them on hand already, either from a vaccine or because you suffered and recovered. Building your t-cells while you fight off a disease is not identical to having them on hand.
Please excuse the fact that I have no real clue what I'm talking about. I do, however, have my finger on the pulse of the layman.
6- That was Danny Glover, way to erase Black actors.
Don't push your luck, sugar tits.
1: Heebie, it's "majority-minority", when non-whites break 50%.
I'm alive and well; it's been a normal work week. You can tell that things are off, since I didn't have to work late before last weeks days off, and I didn't return to a morning full of emails and phone calls to return -- just a few.
I was contacted by one of my former coworkers who'd been laid off in March. She's moved up to Oregon and is job searching; our not so V shaped recession went too long and she's had to follow her husband's job. Hopefully it's a good relocation, and not having to navigate simultaneous job changes made the moving easier... hopefully. So much damage from our lack of seriousness about beating the virus.
9: Sorry. I need to revisit the classics more often.
I've had a couple of consults with people wondering about the legalities of our mask orders. I guess I shouldn't still be surprised at how many people think they had the rona in February, but, no, even in a world with single digit positivity from people with symptoms, the conviction that that cough was covid is widespread.
5, 7 and 8. I read something about measles infection wiping out immunity to other diseases which does not happen when you get the vaccine. Obviously somebody who has recovered from a measles infection is immune - and probably for life - but it seems to me based on that alone that it's possible for the biological processes to be somewhat different. Antibodies ,alone vs T- cells etc. I'm not at all competent to speak to the biology.
Also, for good coverage of the infectious disease And science read Helen Branswell of Statnews.
14: I base that recommendation on the fact that scientists and epidemiologists write approving things of her.
Heebie, it's "majority-minority", when non-whites break 50%.
Thanks!!
It drives me crazy, because both versions seem plausibe shorthand for sensible statements. The historical minority is the local majority, or the local majority is the historical minority. Both make sense!
14 is correct, see here for example https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/10/how-measles-wipes-out-the-bodys-immune-memory/
But the process of acquiring immunity to measles is the same whether it's happening as a result of infection or as a result of vaccination. Wiping out immune memory is damage caused by infection with the measles virus.
On the down side, I'm really annoyed at the scientifically illiterate reporting coming from The Guardian.
They are firmly committed to the view that all COVID news is bad news, and this shapes their coverage.
What annoyed me specifically about the story is that in reporting on a study showing that antibody levels seemed to be declining soon after recovery they left readers with the impression that this meant that immunity
There's no evidence for this, and you would only draw that conclusion from the antibody study if you were unaware that T-cells exist and play a role in immunity.
..that immunity was disappearing.
I'm not sure what happened to the last part of the sentence.
Oh, huh. Ok, we used up my scientific literacy.
So, tell me more. Antibodies don't indicate immunity? And declining antibodies don't indicate declining protection from reinfection?
19: Even worse. I think you would only draw that conclusion if you were unaware that B-cells exist, let alone T-cells. Is it not perfectly normal for the antibody levels in the blood to wane after you have successfully fought off a virus? Would you not worry if the antibody levels stayed high, because it would mean the virus or its antigens is still there somewhere?
What you want after an infection is not for the antibodies themselves to stay around forever, but for memory B cells to stay around so they can respond with antibodies quickly if and when you get infected again.
I don't know much about immunity, but I remember when AIDS was always in the news and T-cells were the thing.
I am no longer unaware that B-cells exist.
So, is there anything obvious you would measure to see if immunity to COVID-19 was long-lasting? Because this is something I have been worrying about (roughly, that immunity isn't long lasting, people will be able to catch it once or twice a year repeatedly forever, vaccines will also be short-term, and the world is just going to be a much more dangerous place, disease-wise, for the rest of my life.) What would you look at to figure out if that was or wasn't true?
AIHMHB, read Derek Lowe. There's a figure at the top of the post that will make you better informed than 95% of newspaper reporters.
26: Absolutely. If you want updates about covid 19 from someone who actually knows what they're talking about, Lowe is a great source.
As far as the linked entry here is an update from 2 days ago.
That looks as if the answer to my question in 25 is no -- we'll just have to wait and see.
25. Ultimately, stats. But there isn't enough data yet. I've read several published papers arguing that this scenario is likely and several others arguing the opposite. I'm forced to conclude that nobody actually has a scoobie.
I have an idea for a completely novel disease, but I'm too embarrassed to say what it is.
There is a 6th type of test (if you count all the following) measuring T-cell resposne that hasn't been widely discussed because it's tough to run at scale. This is a good plot of where some of the tests will show positive.
Nucleic acid (PCR) test: This is the nasal swab or spit test. Most widely used to identify active infections; detects viral genetic material but that means it can also detect inactive or residual viral bits, which is probably how a lot of the stories of "Oh noes people reinfected!" are happening. Uses PCR of the genetic material which is very sensitive but also can easily be contaminated. There's also a related isothermal that gives faster but maybe less accurate results; PCR involves heating an cooling a sample repeatedly to exponentially amplify the nucleic acids, but that requires particular instrumentation.
Seroconversion / Antibody test: Blood test, next most common. Described as "seroprevalence" and is used to detect people who have ever been infected. Identifies antibodies that stick to viral proteins, which doesn't necessarily mean the antibodies block infection and as noted Abs can decrease over time.
Antigen test: Sort of the inverse of the antibody test- do you have viral proteins that stick to known antibodies? A good measure of whether you have intact virus in your body and therefore is the best measure of whether you're actively infected.
Neutralizing antibody test: Mostly used in vaccine trials. Isolates antibodies from a patient and tests if those antibodies actually block virus infection of cultured cells. Most patients who are recently recovered have neutralizing antibodies and they're what's used from convalescent plasma to treat active patients. Engineered neutralizing Abs are hoped to be a bridge therapeutic from exisiting but poorly effective existing drugs (resdemivir, dexamethasone) until we get to vaccines.
Infectivity test: Does a patient secrete actively infectious virus? I don't think this is widely used but is the relevant measure of whether someone is actually infective. The antigen test easier to run is a good proxy for that because viral proteins don't stick around as long as the genetic material that a PCR test can detect.
T-cell response test: Does your adaptive immune system respond specifically to viral proteins? This is hard to run widely and is giving complicated answers about immunity because it appears that some people never exposed to CoV2 still have some response. This is the "immunological dark matter" hypothesis that might save us from the worst predictions.
There are some others in development, including a simple CRISPR-based nucleic acid test that can give a rapid response but I don't think it's widely used yet.
I've been reading a bit about immunology as part of my blog series research, and it's fascinating. The basic deal is that there are several different defensive systems in the body that operate more or less independently of each other, so "immunity" (or lack thereof) is a much more complicated concept than it appears at first glance.
(This is important to my research because the idea that Native American populations suffered massive levels of mortality from epidemic disease due to a lack of immunity is very widespread in the literature, which however often blurs or conflates the different aspects of immunity in problematic ways.)
There are an increasing number of people who have had the disease and recovered. Some early victims have been recovered for four to five months, longer in China. Aside from a few hotly-disputed outliers, no one seems to have gotten it a second time. The cases that looked like a second infection are most likely people who had the long-term version of the disease; if you get that it fades and then starts up again, sometimes more than once, because it was never really eradicated in the first place.
The more recent realization of how it can have long-term effects after the disease is over is more worrisome to me at least, although the number of people who have them is relatively small.
If we get a vaccine that protects us for a year (like the flu vaccine) or even six months it would be much, much better than the current situation. There is also no reason to think the current mRNA vaccines are the last word, even though at the moment the news is pretty positive from the Pfizer and Moderna efforts: both are starting stage 3 trials soon. There are lots of other avenues to immunity that take longer: mRNA is a really quick-to-market way to do it. More traditional methods (such as killed or half-killed viruses) take longer to develop.
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Far be it for me to threadjack this, um, open thread, but can I ask for off-the-beaten path recommendations for kid movies, ages 5-11ish? No parameters, just basically good movies. I feel like we've burned through all the obvious choices for well-known kid movies, but there must be so many that don't make the regular top 20 lists.
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36: If you have HBO Max: Studio Ghibli films.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/movies/studio-ghibli-hbo-max.html
Space Balls! The Studio Ghibli Film.
I mean, I'm assuming you've already seen the Avatar series.
Tremors
A League of Their Own
Shaolin Soccer
Kung Fu Hustle
I mean, I'll write all these down. I'm just saying, good idea.
38: We've done a few Miyazaki, and they've gone over really well. Raiding the whole studio is a good idea.
Hmm, what have we watched...
Gracie
Okko's Inn (requires reading subtitles)
Series of Unfortunate Events
Each weekend we gave the kids 3 options and they got to pick one, I have to go back to check what the declined options were.
34: if you haven't already looked, this is probably worth your time. I thought it was interesting but, given the pandemic, already a bit dated.
https://academic.oup.com/jah/article-abstract/107/1/52/5862186
53: I had not seen that, but it looks very relevant and useful. Thanks!
We've done a few Miyazaki, and they've gone over really well. Raiding the whole studio is a good idea.
DO NOT WATCH GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES WITH YOUR KIDS
Really good movie. Really sad and frightening. Meaningful maggots in the worst way.
Bob Wachter (UCSF) tweeted yesterday "there hasn't been one credible report of Covid re-infection; seems like strong evidence that immunity is real."
Absence of evidence is not blah blah, but it still seems like it speaks pretty loudly if there have really been hundreds of thousands of people hospitalized in the US alone, a condition that surrounds one with computers and paper trails, and not a single case of it happening twice.
I guess Wachter doesn't find the Vox doctor to be credible. Or he doesn't read Vox.
I'm not sure I find the Vox doctor terribly credible, for what it's worth.
At 90F and 78% humidity outside at 3 am there will be no walk today with Pola. Try again maybe Monday.
55 What clew said. That movie is a masterpiece that I never ever want to watch again.
If you watch "Glengarry Glen Ross" with your kids, they'll understand when you shout, "The coffee is for closers."
For about five years, Grave of the Fireflies was our December 7th watch. At some point the aunt was triggering enough we stopped and figured we could remember war was shitty without bawling every year.
Kids that age shouldn't be drinking coffee anyway.
Remember this diorama which we discussed at least once? They curtained it off, I guess because it's disrespectful? Or confusing?
John Lewis. Rest in power.
This fucking year.
The resident 8yo watched Clue a billion times this spring. We've now started selections from the good seasons of the Simpsons.
64: John Lewis has died; and as if i couldn't hate 2020 any more than I already did. A true hero; and a hard-fought veteran of the American civil rights movement.
[Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine upon him.
May he rest in peace. Amen.]
20: "was disappearing" was disappearing.
Ya done gone triggered the quine-and-execute function on the blog...
re: 56
There's been some biggish UK studies following people who have been infected, and it's looking like antibodies fall off really quickly after 3 months. So, I don't think we are in a position to know yet, but the virologists/epidemiologists here certainly seem to think reinfection is both possible and likely, if we have a second wave in the winter.
66: Ginsburg's cancer has returned. If she doesn't make it to a Democratic administration, I will hate 2020 even more.
68. I had read that antibodies typically do that, though I don't know if three months is unusually short. The more important question is "how are the T and B cells doing?" They are much harder to measure but are the actual long-term defenses. (Disclaimer: IANA virologist.)
The RBG thing has me on such pins and needles. Good lord.
I wish nothing but the best for RBG, and this really is a structural problem about our broken system, but still: she has no excuse for not resigning sometime between 2009-2015. Arrrggh.
68: Link? It seems like multiple media outlets (including the SF Chronicle here) are incorrectly giving people the impression that antibody levels are the gauge of continuing immunity, but per the first half of this thread, that's not how the immune system works. Now that my memory has been jogged I remember the whole T-cell, B-cell jargle from high school biology. B-cells make antibodies as needed based on what the system encounters.
85 babies in Nueces County tested positive. (Corpus Christi.)
Are you giving a location or swearing in Latin?
There's a pair of deer staring at me while I'm cooking beef.
74: In my occasional tracking of Texas cases by metro area, the three MSAs of Corpus Christi, Brownsville, and Laredo, in that order, are now seeing by far the most incidence.
The other way I sort is by Public Health Region, and in that cut, the South region, which contains all three of those as well as McAllen and the various non-metro counties in between, is the highest.
Somebody is projecting Hamilton on the side of a house.
I don't know who set it up, but the audience was just people.
Next bleg!
Light, engaging audiobook for our roadtrip tomorrow?
Nobody can record a whole book that quickly.
Not with THAT attitude you can't.
36/46: Have you checked out the Ghibli version of "Ronia: The Robber's Daughter" yet? We weren't super-impressed here -- as with a lot of more recent Ghibli, it seemed awfully Americanized. But younger people might enjoy it, and it does have harpies. The live action version is in print on DVD too.
The NFB live action film of Holling Clancy Holling's "Paddle to the Sea" is free on Youtube, as is another NFB production "The Rise and Fall of The Great Lakes", which I enjoyed very much as a kid, although the folk music narration is a little irritating to me now.
Have they seen the BBC Narnia movies? What about the "Wind in the Willows" series?
It's somewhat unfortunate that Pasolini's Trilogy of Life has so much sexytimes content, as it would otherwise be perfect for youngsters. But he was being true to the source material, so what can you do?
I have questions about the role of force in policing, but also how he didn't flinch.
Are people here familiar with "The Navigator: A Medieval Odyssey" (Vincent Ward, 1988)? My family (sans my youngest sister who was only 3) saw that when it came out and enjoyed it quite a bit -- lots of very topical plague content!
84: Thanks! I'm adding it to the list.
85: Compare that to those lousy cowards from the LAPD beating the shit out of a guy in a wheelchair. They can crush us, they can bruise us, they can even shoot us, but they'll have to answer to the guns of Portland.
I'm just impressed he was able to walk away flipping the bird without a limp. If there's one thing that looks worse than multiple men with clubs and tear gas beating on the unarmed, it's multiple men with clubs and tear gas obviously losing a fight with somebody unarmed and not fighting back.
89: Yeah, big guy, and fed not using baton very well. All arm, no hip and shoulder rotation to develop power. Patty cake with a baton.
81: A Dortmunder novel by Donald E. Westlake. Good for the family--no sex or violence. Comic caper novels (sometimes listed as mysteries, but usually there's no real mystery). Dortmunder is the leader of a group of good-hearted thieves who try to pull off an impossible heist, and usually they fail in some hilarious way. No violence, no sex. They work well in audio. Some are very short, best for kids..
Fun fact: Dortmunder has been played in movies by Robert Redford, George C. Scott, and Martin Lawrence, but none of the movies took off..
91: Thanks!
It doesn't have to be kid-friendly, I should have specified. They'll be immersed in their kindles. Just for Jammies and me. Jammies is pickier than me about things being sufficiently engaging.
91. Good suggestion. Not necessarily the best, but "What's the Worst That Could Happen?" (1996) pitches the lovable rogues against a pre-presidential Donald Trump (thinly disguised). Unusually, the gang wins big.
Was that tear gas? Seemed oddly ineffective.
The cans for tear gas look just like the cooking spray we use at the barracks.
I had a long sneezing fit all morning. I put on socks and it stopped. So, I think that means I'm old.
96: Handheld stuff will be OC. The projectile stuff CS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas
73. Derek Lowe on T-cells: New Data on T Cells and the Coronavirus. This was just put up a few days ago. An earlier piece discussed how we don't know for sure, but the newer study seems more promising: More on T Cells, Antibody Levels, and Our Ignorance. Hope they are both useful.
90: They broke his hand, if that makes you feel better about the technique law enforcement officers were using to beat an unarmed and nonviolent protestor: https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/protester-in-navy-sweater-doesnt-flinch-as-federal-officer-tees-off-on-him-with-baton-video/
Clearly, you hate to see members of your profession doing a bad job at it.
Dortmunder books are fantastic, but let me pitch the non-Dortmunder Westlake novel Somebody Owes Me Money.
Flipping off the cops with a broken hand after they broke it is about as boss as you can get.
It's "Give me liberty or give me death" without the worrying about providing for your family.
101: Yeah, it was real peaceful all right. They're looking for a fight.
https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1284723938572906501
https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1284737873749536768
https://twitter.com/ShelbyTalcott/status/1284750609640329217
That guy very obviously did not fight anybody despite more provocation that I would resist.
It's been a pattern for the police to attack peaceful protestors and beat on the non-violent ones.
Funny, to me the people doing not much damage to the building don't look anything like the guy getting beaten, but I haven't had specialized police training.
(On a positive note, this is probably the first time I've seen police take action to clear an obstruction from a bike lane.)
Another reminder that we're in a civil war with one side killing unarmed people and one side holding up signs.
109 apparently that judge was assigned the Epstein/Deutsche Bank case a few days ago
I had not hoisted in quite how baroquely fucked the US is until this mornings FT:
It suggests that the virus's effective reproduction number, known as R, is now above the critical level of 1 in all but five of the US's 50 states. Weighted by gross domestic product, this means that 95 per cent of the US economy is affected by a viral reproduction rate high enough to cause an exponential rise in the number of cases -- unless something intervenes to prevent this.
They're looking for a fight.
They're certainly dressed for a fight. Friends of mine have worn less armour while they were actually invading countries.
Oh, no, wait, you don't mean that the armoured, MTP'd, masked paramilitaries carrying automatic weapons and breaking citizen's bones with clubs are looking for a fight. You mean the t-shirt guys who are banging on those poor defenceless, er, fences.
Also Dortmunder is great and why aren't more of them available as ebooks? Just finished The Bank Shot.
110: Don't get carried away. Being assigned to a civil case brought by shareholders of Deutsche Bank would not have given her any access to any non-public information about Epstein, or Deutsche Bank, at this stage of proceedings. If they're trying to protect information they're going about it all wrong-- better to target the Ghislaine Maxwell judge. Nor would a rational defendant off a judge so early in the case, when it will simply be reassigned to a different judge.
My uninformed guess is that her husband may have been the target, because the murderer apparently killed the son who answered the door, then went inside to kill a man, and apparently left without looking for a woman. The husband was a criminal defense lawyer, so he has from time to time relieved a family of its entire net worth and failed to prevent a guilty verdict and a long sentence.
113: Did you not see the messages from Stormtrooper Commandant Chad Wolf? Everybody at any if these protests is a violent anarchist. You can tell because of all the graffiti.
I'm going to go out on a very short limb and guess that the total medical bills resulting from the police response are an order of magnitude less than the cost of the damage from vandalism or riots.
Resurfacing in my mind for no particular reason. Oh, for the sweet sincerity of Bush 43!
(For the record, of course it was cause for war.)
On the police violence/defiance/baton technique subthread, this is epic:
https://twitter.com/johnismay/status/1285035083053838337
Remember the video of a guy getting beat on by feds in Portland and responding with double-birds? He's Chris David, a 6'2" 280-lb 53 yr old fmr SeaBee and varsity wrestler from USNA '88
Further on:
He laughed and said of the cop who beat him with a baton "That little dude was really laying into me, wasn't he?"
I'm going to go out on a very short limb and guess that the total medical bills resulting from the police response are an order of magnitude less than the cost of the damage from vandalism or riots.
Well, I think you're probably not correct, because even the Portland police talking to Fox News only estimate $23 million, including estimated loss of business from shops closing (which is frankly a bit of a stretch given what else is going on) and I would think it doesn't take many people being shot in the head with baton rounds and ending up in intensive care with fractured skulls before you're running up seven-figure total medical bills.
Sorry, that was totally backwards- I meant to say the injuries the cops are inflicting are an order of magnitude more than the damage done to the buildings they're defending, and that doesn't even include that people feel pain and buildings don't.
I was thinking that must have come out backwards somehow.
The login splash screen at Merrill Lynch changes roughly monthly to a new picture of happy people being happy (one supposes) about their financial advisors' reallocation decisions. Every time I go to log on this month, I have a brief moment of thinking "Whoa, wolfson's having a baby."
72 is apparently Yet Another Thing that can be laid at the feet of the Democratic Senate of 2008. It was apparently physically impossible to confirm more than one Supreme Court justice a year or Joe Lieberman/Ben Nelson/Mary Landrieu's heads would have exploded, so John Paul Stevens and David Souter got dibs on retiring first. Then it was also completely physically impossible to confirm a Supreme Court justice with fewer than 60 votes because World's Greatest Deliberative Body.
Wolfson may or may not be having a baby, but his Twitter account has been hacked. Either that or he really is sending me links to discount shoes, which isn't impossible, I suppose.
I'm not sure which he'd find the greater indignity.
For sale. Discount baby shoes, never worn.
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Amarillo: significantly worse than other Texas cities on compliance with the statewide mask order. And this was a real hotspot for a long time. (I think meatpacking plants.)
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The yellow nose of Texas is shining for all to see.
I think maybe 109 was premature speculation, but it looks right. The murderer was a lawyer ranting about vigilant
Stupid phone.
... ranting about vigilante justice and "feminazis."
127. A ton of blue-check Twitter accounts (and others) were hacked a few days ago: Who's Behind Wednesday's Epic Twitter Hack?
I saw the glorious blue-check Twitter hack as it happened. Today was far less eventful: neb was not hacked and was indeed alerting me to discounts on some mighty fine shoes. I thanked him for it eventually, but I still don't know if congratulations were in order.
I think we can his pointed lack of acknowledgement as confirmation. Congrats, wolfdaddy!
Oh, now I see what the baby thing is about. That guy doesn't look a thing like me, though, and why are you all writing my name backwards?
138: From Vass! But your gesture was met only with suspicion. How low we have fallen.
OT: Holy shit. There are TV commercials* to let people know of a treatment for tardive dyskinesia. That doesn't seem like an "ask your doctor about" problem. I would think if a doctor didn't ask, they aren't very good doctors.
* I guess since I've only heard one, it is barely possible the plural is just an assumption on my part.
Finally saw comet NEOWISE tonight. It's been cloudy but finally a clear night. Easily found naked-eye smudge but much more comet-ish using binoculars. I was beginning to think I'd have to wait 6,800 more years to see it. Whew!
Yeah, I finally saw it tonight too. Finally a clear night in New England.
145: There are a lot of not good doctors. Some of them assume that the newer atypicals don't cause it. And I bet that some decide that the benefits of treatment outweigh the risks without feeling that the patients are capable of discussing the issues involved in their treatment.
145: What was the commercial for?
I went into work for the first time since mid-March. I see that my acting director is one of those wears the mask under the nose type dudes. I had to tell him the mask goes over the nose while he was speaking with me. He complied.
IT also did something to Outlook or the server that caused everyone's Outlook to malfunction. They have to fix it on an individual basis. Of course they didn't pick up the phone the few times I called them because everyone must be calling at once. A few weeks ago they updated our cataloging software resulting in the loss of thousands of records, information bibliographic and item records to be lost and/or be merged together, creation of dummy item records, etc. Just completely munged it up. The competence that inspires confidence.
Jesus is it hot out there.
I saw a new way of wearing a mask today. A jogger was wearing it pulled up above the nose but below the eyes. It sort of looked like a beak. Maybe it was going for the plague doctor look but I'm guessing it was pretty ineffective.
149: I missed the name, but some medication.
152: I figured that part out. I wanted to see if I could find the ad.
151: 4 teenage boys running in a pack. 2 pull up their masks as they run by. Two don't. And they all think they are so cool, because they aren't wearing shirts either.
150: Tim's company has told them not to say anything to people who aren't wearing masks, because environmental services I supposed to enforce it. I guess they don't want people antagonizing others. There are a couple of biologists who think it's dumb and take them off in the hall when environmental services isn't around.
That sounds like they decided if someone is going to get shot by a nut, it should be a janitor.
A jogger was wearing it pulled up above the nose but below the eyes. It sort of looked like a beak.
Are you sure it wasn't Adam Ant?
Whoa, CharleyCarp, one of my childhood friends who lives in your town just got COVID!?
