Re: Check Ins, Reassurances, and Concerns, 11/25

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Our 7 day positive rate is finally back in sustained decline after rising steadily for nearly a month and a half. The lagging indicators of hospitalizations and deaths are still going up, and it looks like we might have as many hospitalizations as we did during the first wave.

And now is when they're finally getting serious about closing things. I wonder if they're going to continue this "wait until the horse is gone before closing the barn door" approach all the way until we have a vaccine.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:01 AM
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Yes, they will.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:12 AM
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I never understood that phrase. There's probably something else in the barn.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:14 AM
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I went out and picked up a twelve pound turkey. The closer it gets to cooking time, the more I think it's a bad idea to but a turkey for three people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:16 AM
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Post-hysterectomy, if it came up in conversation whether we were done having kids, I thought it was funny to answer, "The stable has left the barn."

(Since then, I've aged out of when people wonder these things.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:17 AM
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My nephew caught the rona. My brother says he's mostly fine, sleeping a lot and playing video games but I told him to go pick up a pulse oximeter as soon as he can. He's actually leaving on a trip (he's the pilot) which I don't think is the most responsible thing to do since he's also been exposed. But that was not a fight I was going to pick.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:49 AM
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He just needs to sit six feet from the copilot and crack the window.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:54 AM
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I'm doing a complicated sous vide turkey thing, and accidentally ended up with only 2lb of turkey thighs instead of 4lb. That's still probably plenty for two adults and a kid.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 9:01 AM
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NMM to Diego Maradona. It was the hand of God.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 9:17 AM
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NMM to the Dice Man, as the author has thrown a six: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/25/luke-rhinehart-obituary


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 9:41 AM
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We're going all out for Thanksgiving this year. I got frozen mashed potatoes and a single-serving cherry pie.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 9:59 AM
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Are the frozen worth the greater effort over the instant?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:07 AM
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Our county is "purple" (uncontrolled), but the police, county sheriff and DA have said that they're not going to enforce the required gym closures, moving restaurants outdoors, etc. that the classification requires. And there's a curfew that's started, but it's pretty pointless -- 10 pm to 5 am, lots of loopholes. It sounds like it's meant to curb bars without officially saying that they're closing bars.

Even in a county that was enforcing the curfew, it seems like the effect would just be to push the drinking earlier.

With Thanksgiving this week and half the population not trying (and not having anything enforced to make them try), I'm worried that we'll need the National Guard's doctors again, but they'll be committed to all of the other communities that will also be having trouble.


Posted by: Mooseking | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:12 AM
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We have community spread again with the most cases per day since April. Still only 87 active cases for the ~1 million population but not good. Related to curfews, everyone who has spent time at bars after 10 pm has been recommended for covid testing, even if asymptomatic. The list of places with warnings reads like a fun day (yoga studios and gyms, fancy bars and beer places, cool restaurants). All restaurants and bars have been shut down for two weeks. And the Atlantic bubble burst with PEI and NL withdrawing until NS and NB get under control again. I'm hoping things will get better enough we can to visit my family for Christmas but my parents have not been great. Maybe they'll smarten up since covid is back? Churches really need to close again.


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:24 AM
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87 active cases per million? We have 500 new cases in this county of 1.2 million.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:28 AM
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And by new cases, I mean new today.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:28 AM
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12: My wife won't eat the instant. She has standards.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:29 AM
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We usually have only instant, but are making from scratch tomorrow.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 10:41 AM
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15: I have to remind myself we're not all that small (though spread out) so all of the restrictions are actually working.

We ironically got featured in the NYT over the weekend for being a covid-free paradise. And they weren't too condescending! No mentions of fishing at all.


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 11:08 AM
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I'm pretty much either in denial or terror about what December is going to be like for covid here.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 11:11 AM
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We were going to do Thanksgiving with a friend that we were bubbled with, but then her dad who was living out of state decided at the last minute to come back and wasn't able to get a COVID test in time, so they're quarantining and the plan is off. We'll still probably exchange some food but not eat together. We may end up doing a trial run for the very Jewish Christmas we're planning to do.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 11:55 AM
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We have only two meat eaters so I was going to buy a rotisserie chicken instead, but I went to the supermarket right when it opened Monday to avoid crowds and they hadn't made that day's chickens yet. They had extremely cheap turkeys if you bought at least $25 of other stuff which I had to do anyway. Also they didn't have any small turkeys left. So for two people I have a 19lb turkey but if it's bad I'm only out $7.44.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:18 PM
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22 A Very Jewish Christmas -- what does that involve? Is there a blessing?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:21 PM
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Isn't "Jewish Christmas" just Chinese food and edibles?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:24 PM
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but the police, county sheriff and DA have said that they're not going to enforce the required gym closures,

Same here (which isn't surprising, since we're nearby counties, but the activists are pointing out that the Sheriff took $108M in CARES money for what they said was COVID, and if they're not doing any COVID enforcement, where'd the $108M go?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:28 PM
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Chinese food and movies (at home in this case rather than at the theater).


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:32 PM
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I'm sure there's some prayer of thanks for getting a great bargain.
Since I didn't plan to cook a turkey I didn't bring a big enough roasting pan or a meat thermometer. So maybe it's $7.44 plus the ER copay to deal with the salmonella.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:34 PM
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Since my dad's family isn't Jewish I've never actually done a traditional Jewish Christmas before. There have been years when I haven't done anything for Christmas at all.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:37 PM
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Try it my way and thank me on Boxing Day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 12:39 PM
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No one here eats turkey except the kid, who wanted a drumstick because carnivore culture, which, okay, fair. But apparently "drumsticks" is a dual number because you can only get them in two-packs? Now we have two bloody, pale, quivering gobbets of flesh in the fridge and I don't know what we'll do with the other one. It's too big for the cat.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:10 PM
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Cook them both and slice up the leftovers for turkey sandwiches for the kid over the weekend?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:20 PM
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Oh, Chinese food, good idea! I am eventless here, though I just booked some time in a cabin in the woods in a few weeks.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:23 PM
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Megan, if you're interested in the occasional pro-housing local action, your city's General Plan update has some great ideas (just released) as a starting point.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:24 PM
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But apparently "drumsticks" is a dual number because you can only get them in two-packs?

Well, I mean, they sort of come that way on the bird.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:24 PM
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I decided to roast a duck.

I do not know how to roast a duck.

This could get interesting.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:26 PM
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AIMHMHB, there was one year that my Gentile family got to experience a Jewish Christmas. There was an ice storm and we were without power for a week around the Christmas holiday. We stayed in a hotel, and went to a Chinese restaurant and a movie on Christmas Day. Inexplicably my wife and stepdaughter continue to insist on the Christian version of Christmas even after experiencing the clearly superior Jewish version.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:37 PM
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they're fatty, raising them from the pan floor with little feet or a wire rack is worthwhile. I like to cook in the oven at 325 for 60 min to get all the fat, then I quarter the bird and grill for 10 min to sear the outside and add smoky flavor.

My inherited cultural preference is to season with plenty of caraway, salt, and pepper. Mmmm-mm. Finding a good source of duck locally is my main problem. Cheapest asian market ones are edible but not that flavorful and crazy fatty. I have been trying to convince the Amish who I buy other meat from to start selling ducks.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 1:38 PM
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Did you know that the state of Pennsylvania can make your phone screech because of Covid?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:22 PM
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Or if someone steals a baby.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:23 PM
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38: I did not! In Ohio my phone has screeched for missing children, but not for Covid.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:27 PM
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Someone should steal a baby to see if it can screech twice in a day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:28 PM
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Someone should steal a baby to see if it can screech twice in a day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:28 PM
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So what did the Covid screech say? "BEWARE! Dangerous virus on the loose!" ?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:40 PM
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15: Ugh, I was thinking of moving back to Pgh when my lease ends to save on rent during the pandemic, but the number of new cases per capita and high positivity rate are definitely downsides.


Posted by: Ponder Stibbons | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 2:54 PM
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The screech said to stay home.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:04 PM
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Does Baby Yoda have a floating stroller or does he float it with the force?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:10 PM
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The (acting) mayor announced a new "hunker down" order for the month of December. It's about damn time.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:15 PM
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Is your new mayor kind of slutty too?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:19 PM
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No, she's very straightlaced.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:25 PM
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I read 48 and thought "what the hell?" And then I remembered the story, which in an average year would have been in the top 5 for crazy news stories, but this year was probably not in the top 5 news stories of that week. (In contrast, I remember the "hiking the Appalachian trail" story vividly. I even remember where I was when I heard the story.)


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:28 PM
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This is basically Gunsmoke in space with Baby Yoda as Festus.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:30 PM
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My phone blared earlier this year for the sheriff's curfew leading up to a George Floyd march.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:39 PM
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It's nice that they tried to boost attendance.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 3:44 PM
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35 We cooked a goose one Christmas many years ago. The most important thing we learned applies to cooking a duck as well: you have to remember to turn the oven on.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 4:08 PM
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"Excuse me, I need to go release the Kraken" sounds better than "I need to use the restroom."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 4:20 PM
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44: If you do come back, I'm still not going to the bar until there's a vaccine or outdoor drinking weather.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 5:13 PM
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OT (if that's possible): Why do AirPods cost so much and does giving them to people who are in the same house with you all the time suggest too strongly that they watch shitty TV?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 5:32 PM
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Hurray for made-from-scratch mashed potatoes! (I make made-from-scratch mashed potatoes at least twice a week, it's like a major food group for me...). And Happy Thanksgiving, Americans! You have every reason to celebrate!! (but please wear a mask, okay?...)


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 6:13 PM
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We never ate mashed potatoes at Thanksgiving, because the Pilgrims didn't eat potatoes. I'm having them tomorrow as part of my catered meal.

I make good mashed potatoes. My tip is to salt the water heavily so that you don't need to add much salt later. Use 2 kinds of potatoes - russet and either Yukon gold or plain white from Maine or PEI. Russet are fluffy and the waxy potatoes give you the creaminess. After boiling, put them in a hot oven until the edges turn slightly white. Drying them out a bit helps them absorb the butter and half and half or cream better.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 7:33 PM
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Or if someone steals a baby.

More dispatches from a Very Jewish Christmas.


Posted by: von wafer | Link to this comment | 11-25-20 8:06 PM
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BG's potatoes sound amazing.

In checkin news, the haunted mansion now has floors in all the rooms but these are are concrete or chipboard in all but two rooms. There is hot water, but there are no fittings at all in the bathroom. There are interior doors on the floors of many rooms, but none hanging in doorways. The noise and building work have gone on for so long that the local drug market has relocated from the street outside. We move in on Monday whatever happens, because we were only able to rent this holiday cottage in the middle of nowhere for a week after Ume's lease ran out.

Last night her laptop refused to let her login after an unattended software update. Since it is a really new, whizzy mac, there is no way to fix it if reinstalling the OS doesn't work. It doesn't work. So, today drive 60 miles to the nearest Apple store that has a service slot open.

We'll look back on this with such nostalgia after Brexit.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 12:02 AM
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The noise and building work have gone on for so long that the local drug market has relocated from the street outside.

This is hilarious. "Bodie, I cannot work under these intolerable conditions."


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 2:32 AM
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61 At least you live in a country that drove out its worst religious whackos 400 years ago, so the stores are open.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 8:20 AM
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63: Our grocery stores are closed. Grocery stores are closed on Thanksgiving Day and Christmas, but that's all that's left of our Blue Laws.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 8:24 AM
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63: If only we weren't being told by our Supreme Court that limiting in-person attendance at services during a pandemic was an irreparable harm.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 8:56 AM
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65:. Turns out the Constitution is a suicide pact after all


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 10:02 AM
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It's really disconcerting the extent to which the conservative media ecosystem has made even the ostensibly "smart" conservatives into idiots. Gorsuch can't actually be so stupid as to not understand the COVID-relevant difference between a church service and a shopping trip or a one-on-one haircut, can he?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 10:10 AM
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When she got there, they told her they would reinstall the operating system, which she had already done herself. So she took the mac back, and half an hour's googling found a possible solution on Stack Exchange. We wiped out, fro the command line, a very obscure database, and rebooted. This time, when the thing hung at logon, we waited and after fifteen minutes the entire screen went black, except for the cursor. Progress! Another twenty minutes, and the logon dialogue re-emerged and let her in. Now she is hunched over the machine saying "90,000 of 110,000 mail messages imported" and so on.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 11:22 AM
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66, 67 -- Yeah, it's going to be lots of stupid culture war shit from here on out. But we did show that harridan Hillary Clinton that we weren't going to let her push us around.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 11:23 AM
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The Gorsuch thing struck me as just so stupid. COVID is temporary, after which everything can go back to normal. Why turn it into a front of the culture war that will literally kill hundreds or maybe thousands of people?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 12:08 PM
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Because it's the precedent they'll use to put back bans on various things homosexuals can do.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 12:17 PM
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After boiling, put them in a hot oven until the edges turn slightly white. Drying them out a bit helps them absorb the butter and half and half or cream better.

I do what my mother used to do: after draining the boiled potatoes, put them back into the pot, and shake them over low-medium heat (on the stovetop burner, I mean) until every last drop of water is absorbed. Same idea, I guess.

I like your combination of Russets with something waxier, BG.


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 5:00 PM
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Don't Zoom and poop.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-26-20 6:41 PM
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She doesn't sound a very nice person, but just for that reason will suffer worse from shame. I do feel rather sorry for her now. On the other hand, what kind of lunatic forgets that zoom meetings are not one way communications? Someone who only cares about their own contributions, I suppose.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 3:46 AM
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Zoop verb
1. (intr) to 'make a contribution' while Zooming.


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 4:21 AM
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75 is good.

Do we have a word for what Jeffrey Toobin did?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 6:08 AM
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Zerking off?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 6:11 AM
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Jeffrey was Tubin' on Zoom.


Posted by: pomianne | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 6:38 AM
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You go round a French house nowadays and the realtor points you to the door, where there's a sign: Zoop là it says.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 7:18 AM
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Toobin' needs no improvin', but a synonym is:

go mehta verb phrase

       Toobin'
--> Zoobin' (/Z/ for Zoom-relatedness)
--> Zoobin' Mehta --|
                                      | (rhyming slang)
--> go mehta --------|


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 7:34 AM
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|| So, a satisfactorily harsh smackdown from the Third Circuit of the appeal from the Williamsport case. Having the Trump-nominated judge on the panel (the other two were GWB nominees) write the opinion is no accident, and may be designed to signal to the SC that this is not the right vehicle. And anyway, they get to do all sorts of Establishing Christianity stuff on their own, so there's no reason for them to reach out to help Trump in such a weak case. |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 11:08 AM
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"Legends of Tomorrow" may be the greatest TV show of all time.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-27-20 3:56 PM
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62: this is my mantra now that we are actually in the house and I shelter with the cat in an almost unfurnished office. Saying "Bodie, I cannot work under these intolerable conditions" out loud in an appropriately actooorish voice makes everything better.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 4:27 AM
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81: Thank you for the frequent updates on this. This opinion is a particularly clear and straightforward read for the non-expert, and it is as you say a complete smackdown. Unrelatedly, I'm sure this is perfectly standard thing to do, but I could almost feel the eye-rolling in the second parenthetical: "To vote by mail, a Pennsylvania voter must take several steps. First, he (or she) must ask the State (Commonwealth) ..."


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 5:17 AM
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|| Anyone in the mood for a short story of disaster averted? I recently took on a case here -- part of a sprawling litigation that is pending in 4 other states as well -- and had to do a very labor intensive bit of work to get a torrent of stuff filed here on very short notice. Got all my stuff filed, and I've been helping out in some of the other states, and, on Saturday morning, saw that one of the filings in another state (filed nearly 4 weeks ago) had a vaguish reference to a motion that was filed (or to be filed) in my case. It's a motion that makes sense for them to have filed, and that timing would make strategic sense for them as well. Lightbulb went on, and I realized that I hadn't gotten a docket report covering the period between the last one the client got, and my entry of appearance, which was about 10 days. I guess it just didn't occur to me, although it definitely should have. Depending on what day the motion was filed -- if it was filed -- my time to respond either ran out last week, or will run out today and tomorrow. While my torrent of filings nearly 2 weeks ago provides adequate bases to deny such a motion, nothing was titled a brief in opposition to the motion. A grant of the motion would be very very bad. Judges have the discretion to grant any motion that is not opposed during the time provided -- and while I have decent merits arguments to set an order aside, a procedural default can be much harder. And obviously, it would be my fault -- ok, the other side isn't serving properly, but that's not the kind of thing the judge is obligated to help me with. There's no way to get a docket sheet over the weekend, so I got to spend all day Saturday, all night, all day Sunday, and all last night in a state of pretty high anxiety. I probably did get 4 hours of sleep each night, but no more. Every possible scenario has been worked through. At exactly 8:01 this morning, I called the clerk's office, and had them send me the docket report. Nothing filed.

I'm capable of learning the lesson from this, I think. |>


Posted by: LawyerGuy | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 8:32 AM
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Hooray!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 8:35 AM
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85: I don't remember how much I've talked about it here, but back in the early 2000s, right before I started commenting here, I worked at a tiny little litigation boutique with some very good lawyers who were also (some of them) slapdash fuckups who defaulted on things all the time. This is no way to practice law, but I did learn that basically anything (barring failing to timely file a notice of appeal) is fixable. If the worst had happened and you were right that there was a motion you weren't aware of, and you showed up in court and said that service of the motion never made it to you, even if it's all your fault for not checking the docket (this must be state court someplace if you couldn't check the docket online?), 99 judges out of a hundred will forgive your default and give you time to respond.

Other than the notice of appeal thing, there is pretty much no screwup that can't get unwound by going to the judge and begging for mercy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 9:26 AM
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That, of course, is the wrong lesson to learn -- the right one is to not screw up in the first place -- but it's very comforting to know when things have already gone bad.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 9:27 AM
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is not in New York, and is in a place where 99% is way too high. There's also the fact that the judge doesn't much care for the client (and this is quite an understatement). Laying awake at night was not an absurd overreaction.


Posted by: LawyerGuy | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 9:40 AM
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Can you bill for the time spent like that?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 9:44 AM
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Oh, I would have been lying awake too -- just trying to reassure you that most judges will, even if begrudgingly, cut you procedural slack so they can rule on the merits. Admittedly, literally all my state court experience is NYS, and while it can certainly be wild and crazy around here, I don't know how well it generalizes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-30-20 10:16 AM
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