I'm guessing that the higher death rate from covid in people with schizophrenia is mostly just the impact of poverty and getting worse care for idiosyncratic reasons (symptoms making it harder for nursing staff, seeing the diagnosis on a chart will affect care sometimes, etc.).
Could be. But the author is not willing to write an article featuring such mundane consequences of poverty, so.
People with full schizophrenia have a terrifyingly low life expectancy, no? Forties? Yeah, consequences of poverty and difficulty managing issues that come up seem.
I wonder if the statistics of the first study linked introduce some overconfidence on the result on schizophrenia. It says there were 26,540 non-excluded people in the overall sample, of whom 336 had a history of a schizophrenia spectrum disorder. Of them, 75 tested positive. Then their big multivariate analysis looked at 45-day case fatality, adjusting for everything else, and found an odds ratio of 2.6, confidence interval 1.45 to 4.67. But how many of those 75 people died so as to be able to contribute to that risk model? Five? Ten? It seems like potentially a GIGO situation.
Also, 12% of those testing positive in the overall sample died. I guess because it's people who tested positive March-May 2020 when there wasn't enough testing, but that raises questions if it's representative of underlying risk levels at all.
Looking at the literature, this article seemed relevant - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8166317/
There are various possible mechanisms; people with schizophrenia tend to get more respiratory diseases generally; antipsychotic medication may depress the immune system; schizophrenics have higher levels of poverty and deprivation; they also have less risk awareness.
The NHS QCOVID prediction model https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7574532/ reckons that severe mental illness increases your risk of COVID death by 25-30% even once factors like poverty and other comorbidities are taken into account - so it isn't _just_ deprivation.
1 and 3: I haven't read the link. I did see an article claiming something about people with depression having worse outcomes. They were all on the list of people eligible for a booster before the recommendation was broadened. Maybe the authors have accounted for this, but there are really high rates of diabetes and hypertension among that population. I'm the case of diabetes, a portion of it is likely due to metabolic effects of the90's antipsychotics.
people with schizophrenia tend to get more respiratory diseases generally
In the first study, the people with schizophrenia were actually less likely to test positive than the general population, if perhaps not significantly. But OK, it at least aligns with other findings.
antipsychotic medication may depress the immune system
That's true and it wouldn't necessarily show up in a comorbidity.
I guess having cousins that voted for Trump doesn't seem so bad now in comparison to the first article.
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Does anyone around here have a recommendation for a good special ed (IDEA) lawyer, in any state? Pls advise, but by emailing me, address under pseud, and copy CharleyCarp if you have his info. ASAP! I'm trying to get a really stupid problem solved fast enough to matter.
Sorry. I don't know any useful lawyers.
Maybe ask Laura at 11d? She's always writing on that area.
That first article is quite a story. It's interesting to read a decade later, since those massive harassment campaigns (GG being the marquee name) seemed like such a fixture of online life over the last decade, but I am not sure they've continued to be either appealing or effective on the same scale. But I'm having trouble formulating what incentives I think might have changed.
(Double masked on the train. Still not sure this is an A+ risk to take for a somewhat frivolous errand.)
I guess I'm hungry for any possibility of an avenue that makes a legal case that adults can be negligent in ways that lead to shooting deaths by other people.
I read a fairly dumb series in which North American had pre-existing werewolfs and vampires and even bigger scarier things and when colonizers came, they were granted a few small enclaves. A recurring theme in the books is that the colonizer is warned not to do some environmentally destructive thing and then does it and then is immediately shredded and eaten by monsters with no additional warning. Like I said, the series was fairly dumb, but I devoured it. Later I thought, "am I so starved for accountability that I will read trashy lit like this? Yes. Yes I am."
Honestly, charging the parents is also protective custody at this point. You.. bought your messed up kid a gun. You.. knew he took it to school.. the school called you because your kid was fantasizing about killing classmates..... And you just rolled with it?
I don't think the parents have been accused of knowing the gun was taken to school. I haven't quite worked out how the parents' behavior (that we know about so far) crosses the line into being a crime. Civil liability seems like a more likely recourse.
I hope I'm wrong!
Parenting: the toughest job you'll ever love.
Parents: Always a problem; occasionally criminal.
Honestly, charging the parents is also protective custody at this point.
Protective custody because they're a danger to others? Or in order to be protected from grieving/angry community members?
Letitia James has left the governor's race to spend more time with ... Donald Trump!
Re: rabid online mobs... This pandemic has exposed a deep vein of stupidity in Canadian life. A northern Ontario town is losing its only full-time family doctor after a local politician, an anti-vaxxer, published a Facebook post falsely claiming that the doctor was refusing to treat unvaccinated patients (not only was she treating the unvaxxed, she was even doing house calls for unvaccinated seniors!). The doctor was hate-swarmed on social media, subjected to all sorts of nasty abuse...and now she is quitting (good for her!), leaving the town without a full-time family physician. So, so stupid.
I remember the Tablo thing from when it happened. He wasn't exactly "doxxed" -- his identity was never a secret -- it was more like he was the target of a bizarre defamation campaign. His cousin sounds like he's nuts.
Also: the English MA program at Stanford doesn't require a thesis?
I don't think the parents have been accused of knowing the gun was taken to school.
But they bought him the gun; and then did not take precautions to prevent their 15-year old from taking his shiny new semiautomatic pistol to school; and then (and this is what I find unbelievable), when warned by the school about their son's murderous fantasies, did not think to check whether their son had the gun in his possession, at his school. Even if they didn't know, when he left the house that morning, that their son was going to school with a gun in his backpack, surely, after the school's warning, they had a duty to find out?!
But I have no idea about criminal law in Michigan, nor about any laws concerning minors and gun ownership and civil/criminal liability. If manslaughter is an overreach, is there some other kind of criminal negligence angle?
22: I assume it was the coterm. Thesis optional.
Actually my standalone M.A. program didn't require a thesis either -- you could also submit a "portfolio" of various things -- but I wrote the thesis because I was planning to go on to a doctorate rather than a hip-hop career. I think if I'd been anticipating a brilliant creative future, I would have done option B.
I wrote an undergraduate thesis for honors. It had to be PG-13, so I only was allowed one "fuck."
"A thesis submitted in partial satisfaction of the requirements for the degree Bachelor of Fucking Arts."
I wrote an undergraduate thesis for no honors... other than the honor of graduating with a degree before the tuition money ran out, I suppose. It was very short and I almost didn't finish it because I got sucked into reading a Hilary Mantel novel and had to stay up all night to finish (the novel).
I wrote an undergraduate honors thesis but no thesis in grad school. I don't think it was even an option; planning programs often replace it with a studio requirement.
What if you could afford a bigger apartment?
It's a pretty safe bet the parents of the victims have lots of guns too.
27: I clearly went to the wrong university because at mine the fucking arts were purely extracurricular.
I know. Just basic fucking crafts is a draughty shed on campus, only an hour a week, and everything else you had to arrange privately.
Of course, there were always older students offering tuition.
16: I think it may just be that prosecuting the parents is the latest alternative to doing anything about the g-word.