Re: None More W

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You don't give modern cardiology enough credit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 6:01 AM
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He sounds terrible. My parents are a couple years older and they don't slur their speech like that.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 6:24 AM
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It's hard to fake a Texas accent for decades.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 6:33 AM
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2 is correct. It's breathtaking.

I have no idea what to do with "Iraq too".


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 6:40 AM
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Invade it again.


Posted by: Opinionated Cheney | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 6:46 AM
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He's really not that old for a rich white guy with parents who stayed healthy until much older.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 6:54 AM
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Now that he's been eclipsed in general outrage by his natural successor, he's free to jab at the people who correctly castigated him, via their biggest just reason.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:09 AM
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He's slurring his words a bit - the "s" sound comes out badly, so that "decision" sounds like "deshision."


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:17 AM
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Maybe he had a shtroke?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:31 AM
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Shorry. Not shorry.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:32 AM
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I feel like he always did a bit of the sh-thing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:38 AM
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Like Sean Connery?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:47 AM
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Yes! I knew there was some SNL impersonation that I couldn't put my finger on. Or maybe I'm thinking of Johnny Carson?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:10 AM
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Do you think he feels guilty? I guess I do.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:16 AM
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YES!


Posted by: Opinionated Ed McMahon | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:17 AM
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14: I just realized that was ambiguous. Yes, I think George W. Bush feels guilty. Yes, I also feel guilty, although my participation in the decision to invade Iraq was somewhat less significant.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:19 AM
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15 confused me, and then I realized it was a reply to 13. Just trying to help out anyone else who may have been confused.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:20 AM
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I misunderstood "Kony 2012" and sent money to Kony.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:21 AM
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Just pointing out that foreign policy is hard.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 8:22 AM
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What did he say in the aside after "Iraq too."? I could not catch it. Sounded like 75?--- ah maybe it was "I'm 75."

One take away from working at the polls yesterday was a reminder of the worrisomeness of our gerontocracy based on interactions with voters and other (mostly aged) poll workers. And am not excluding myself even one little bit.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:12 AM
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It's too bad Gen X, at least the less awful parts of it, is still too disinterested in everything to forcibly seize control.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:21 AM
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He says "75." If he'd said "I'm 75," that would have been a reference to his age, but simply saying "75" is a signal that a light squall the Storm is coming.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:22 AM
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Gen X is the Prince Charles to DiFi's Queen Elizabeth.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:25 AM
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too disinterested in everything to forcibly seize control

At this point, a lot of us would settle for assistant manager at the dispensary.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:31 AM
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Selling out to consult is nice if you can get it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:33 AM
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Dispensaries pay shit from what I've heard.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:37 AM
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In defense of letting old people continue to run things, I have a job and a six-year-old. Cassandane and I struggle to coordinate dinner and bedtimes so one of us can attend school board meetings. We're supposed to find time for all day or out-of-state things too?

Anyways, I'm not Generation X, I'm technically a millennial. How much longer can I put off civic engagement?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 11:05 AM
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27.2: Forever.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 11:37 AM
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is still too disinterested in everything to forcibly seize control

I'm interested! I'm trying! But I can't get any leverage anywhere.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:01 PM
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Have you tried saying horrifying things on the TV?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:06 PM
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Bill Clinton, GW Bush and Donald Trump are all 75.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:11 PM
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But Trump has a birthday soon.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:21 PM
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Al Gore is 74! He should run again on an alternate timeline platform.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:22 PM
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Al Gore is 74! He should run again on an alternate timeline platform.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:22 PM
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Sorry my network sucks.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:23 PM
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I'd vote for him. I still feel bad about not voting for him in 2000.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:24 PM
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I blame the Father of the Internet.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:24 PM
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The youngest member of Congress just lost his primary. No hope for the youth.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 12:33 PM
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Classic Kinsley gaff. I'm glad he shows evidence of guilt. I appreciate the evidence that sociopaths aren't that common at the top.

( In a 1988 interview he said: "A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth - some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say.")


Posted by: Roger the Cabin Boy | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:00 PM
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Also I'm going to continue to assert that while both the US and China have gerontocracy(s), in the US the leadership sees the population as liabilities, people they have to divide the loot with. In China the leadership sees the people as workers they can get benefits from employing.


Posted by: Roger the Cabin Boy | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:04 PM
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That's the good point of going into consulting.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 7:37 PM
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There will be a story on the radio tomorrow that says another progressive candidate and I are in the process of deciding which one of us is going to run in the election. One of us will step aside and support the other.


Posted by: Hawkeye Pierce | Link to this comment | 05-19-22 9:59 PM
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23 is so on point it stings


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 1:00 AM
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42:. Kayfabe?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 2:57 AM
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23 and 43: I totally agree. We've been completely jumped over as a generation.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 4:39 AM
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Kaye Fabe is not a bad way to describe it. We are good friends and close allies from the same faction of the local party. She had initially declined to run, but is a stronger candidate than I am, so I would be willing to back off if she decides to jump in.

The thing about being a Gen X politician is that the Boomers won't go away and there are so damn many Millennials coming onto the scene. We just don't have the demographic power, and our window of opportunity is beginning to recede.


Posted by: Hawkeye Pierce | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 6:04 AM
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46: Boomers were presidents in their 40s. Early 40's folks now are Millenials.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 7:02 AM
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If Obama winds up being the only Gen X president, I'm good with that.

(Birth dates be damned; his biography is so X it isn't even funny.)


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 7:33 AM
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Forgetting generational labels for a moment, there is a gap in presidential birth years that covers 1946 (3 of the motherfuckers) to 1961. Not unprecedented (there is a 1924 to 1946 gap) but none from the middle of the boomer period.

However, the '46 guys all did have what are considered classic boomery experiences growing up (Vietnam avoidance etc.), and of course most of what is considered "boomer culture" was shaped by slightly older folk.

Current gerontocracy in US Gov't for the most part is pre-Boomer.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 8:52 AM
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48: Agree--the early 60s assignment to boomerhood is flawed. (Of course the whole generational labels thing is even more flawed...)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 8:54 AM
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I think that gap 46-61 gap is somewhat unlikely to be filled. But I think we're likely to get one or two GenXers in the 61-82 range at some point. DeSantis, Scott, Haley, Harris, The Rock, Youngkin, etc.. Other than Pence ('59) and Buttigieg ('82), all the candidates with high betting odds who haven't already been president are in that range. Donald Jr. ('77), Kushner ('81), and Ivanka ('81) are also in that range.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 9:48 AM
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FOH with that post-80s birth years are gen X.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:05 AM
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I mean post 1980/80s. I'm late 70s and there was some question about whether the X border reaches me- no way is 1982 gen X. I recall something about if you had exposure to computers as part of regular grade school education it means you're post-X.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:07 AM
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I was born in the mid 70s and don't think having used a Commodore PET makes me a Millennial.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:31 AM
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I was born in the early 70s and we had an Apple ][c. Dad did well.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:36 AM
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I guess that was junior high for me, but my sister was five years younger.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:38 AM
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I only got to play Oregon Trail like twice though.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:41 AM
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I'm used to seeing GenX including '80 and '81 with '82 as millennial. Though personally I'm born in '80 and feel more millennial than X, so I'm fine shifting it.

At any rate, what I actually think based on political polling is that 60s birthdays are GenX, and then you see a continuous shift for a decade before it stabilizes again with millennials in the early 80s. It's a full decade of slow shift, with no real sharp jumps.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:42 AM
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Nope. We're really different. You just aren't paying attention.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:45 AM
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I don't even get Led Zeppelin.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 10:54 AM
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I was in graduate school before I could name all of the Beatles.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:13 AM
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49: I wonder if the 1946 thing* has an actual reason to it, kind of like how age cutoffs in school end up having lasting effects on kids. As in: being among the oldest Boomers meant being in the best position to grab opportunities that eventually led to being in position to be President. Obviously Bush & Trump had underlying advantages that weren't related in any way to age, and n=3 is a ridiculous group, so maybe this is all dumb.

*HRC '47, Gore '48, Kerry '43, Biden '42


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:18 AM
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A lot of early '80s Millennials call themselves "elder Millennials" or "Xennials" bc they feel a lot more grounded in the pre-digital upbringing of Gen Xers. But I think you had to have a pretty unusual upbringing to be born after '84 and have really experienced the 3-channel, no-home-computer grade school lifestyle of basically all Xers. And that's setting aside the unsupervised play that AFAICT died along with Adam Walsh.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:25 AM
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I was so really unsupervised.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:35 AM
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I was in graduate school before I could name all of the Beatles.

They hadn't reached Nebraska by then, so don't feel bad.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:36 AM
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For a while there was a GenY which was roughly 75-85. GenX was you learned computers later like HS or college, GenY was you started using them as a kid, millennial is you don't remember a time without them.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:38 AM
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A lot of early '80s Millennials call themselves "elder Millennials" or "Xennials" bc they feel a lot more grounded in the pre-digital upbringing of Gen Xers. But I think you had to have a pretty unusual upbringing to be born after '84 and have really experienced the 3-channel, no-home-computer grade school lifestyle of basically all Xers. And that's setting aside the unsupervised play that AFAICT died along with Adam Walsh.

Yeah, I think the cutoff would have to be before '84. Maybe '81 or '82. I was born in '84 and I think my childhood was classic (early) Millennial.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:39 AM
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65: Grew up watching The Monkees though.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:41 AM
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I assume it was just because the songwriting was better, even if the career was over sooner.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:46 AM
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68: OOK!


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 1:24 PM
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70: Although I guess it's not really fair to make a Pratchett joke until you've finished Mort.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 1:25 PM
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The 'xennial' category is kind of dumb, but it's where I ('79) am. Early 80s isn't really Millennial, but it's very much not Gen X.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 2:30 PM
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Everyone is so young.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 2:32 PM
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NMM to Roger Angell.

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Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 3:30 PM
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73 to 74.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 3:45 PM
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something something generation awesome something


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 4:14 PM
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I always feel like a gen x fraud, '78. However I also feel like a fraudulent Jew and I don't even try to make hay out of growing up in the south. But anyway feeling fraudulent is comfortable territory.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 4:21 PM
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A fraud is the most Generation X thing to be.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 4:37 PM
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I hate baseball, but Roger Angell was just great. But I guess a Boomer like me would think that.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 4:42 PM
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72: Someone I know, who is intensely annoying for many reasons, wanted to be called a cusper. Isn't 80-81 the geriatric millennial cohort?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 4:51 PM
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Yeah, Gen X starts in 1961, and I will die on that hill. No, I don't care what Pew's research has found.

We're only going to have one president more, but, unlike Grover Cleveland, when he comes back, the interregnum of the usurper will be erased, and so DJT will forever be the 45th president under the flawed old arrangement, and first Executive for Life under the great new constitution.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 6:14 PM
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Over on the twitters, when I made my observation about Obama someone was very very invested in something called Generation Jones. I just let them go on and was like, whatever. QED.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 05-20-22 11:48 PM
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