Re: Check Ins, Reassurances, and Concerns, 7/23

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Say, what's the difference between a lemony weed with succulent leaves and ogged's feelings of heartache and woe?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 5:36 AM
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Perspective?


Posted by: Scuffy | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 5:46 AM
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Hey, nosflow -- come show up for drinks again Monday!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 6:09 AM
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One is purslane and the other is Lur's pain.

Deets on drinks in the other thread, I assume?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 7:12 AM
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I didn't know there was going to be such an aggressive time limit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 7:18 AM
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Today I schmoozed at a small town parade and went to a house party.

My opponent has a shitload of signs out and its making me look bad. I finally got some new ones in, although I am headed for a week of much needed R&R so they won't go up for a while.

I did put a video out today that's better than anything he has. I'm hoping it creates some traction.


Posted by: Hawthorn P. Leghorn | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 8:15 PM
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It's a good video! (I just saw it on Twitter.) That sort of thing is generally a lot more effective than yard signs.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-23-22 10:43 PM
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IIRC David Axelrod used to go on about this back in the day - there's little evidence that signs help at all and people who want them should be encouraged to do something else (calls, canvassing, whatever). Meadway and Schneider's Corbyn campaign didn't bother overmuch either and pretty much totally concentrated on F2F canvassing.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 07-24-22 2:46 AM
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The olds really yelled at the campaign staff in 2020 over a slow delivery of signs. The staff said it wasn't a big deal but the old people were not appeased.

I did my first canvassing yesterday, but really didn't talk to many people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-24-22 6:06 AM
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6 Are you doing targeted FB and YT ads? You might have a real advantage when it comes to tech savviness.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-24-22 7:44 AM
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I hate that it works, but it really seems to. AIPAC spent millions to attack my state house representative in the primary for the U.S. House seat she was seeking. My son was seeing YouTube ads attacking her and I was getting them on Facebook. Fortunately, she won by a few hundred votes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-24-22 8:00 AM
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I'm doing FB ads, need to get on YT.

Facebook has removed a lot of the targeting features that were available last time I ran. I think this is allegedly to protect against Russian abuses but I think the result is to get campaigns to spend more money trying to reach their audience.

Also hoping to get my video playing in preroll at the local movie theater.


Posted by: Hawthorn P. Leghorn | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 3:44 AM
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FB is pissing me off lately. It keeps trying to get me to like bullshit feelgood old people shit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 7:48 AM
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12: I just updated my act like account and gave some money.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 8:20 AM
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8, 9: Yeah, conventional wisdom among political professionals has long been that signs do nothing and campaigns should focus on anything else, but supporters LOVE signs and insist on them so campaigns still do have to have them. I don't know how much empirical evidence there is for this.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 8:43 AM
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That video is adorable. Nicely done. Getting it in the pre-roll would be awesome. I got your thank you note, but only ever think of people by their handles so I hadn't the faintest what it was about for a minute.

Dairy Queen! And Bay Area people! I am not doing the August 6th speaking event on abortion after all. (They hadn't gotten in touch with me and I asked them three times and then I said if I don't hear from you by last Friday I'll assume that I am not doing it and I didn't, but then they wrote me today to say that they were picking other people but I totally quit on them first anyway.) So I won't be in the Bay Area for drinks. I'm sorry. Your evening just freed up.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:22 AM
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I don't know about signs, but I first had hope that the underdog progressive challenger in the last city council race might win when I started seeing her signs around.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:26 AM
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conventional wisdom among political professionals has long been that signs do nothing and campaigns should focus on anything else

I don't really trust that either. I do recognize that political professionals hate dealing with signs, but the overlook the value of building community support. I do think signs along highways are very overrated, but signs in yards are the real deal.

I watched Elizabeth Warren build out the infrastructure for a very strong ground campaign in my city, knocking on every door a bunch of times, collecting so much data on everyone. But she barely did signs, and the signs she had were the crap plastic bag kind that no-one likes. And then came in fourth.

Ultimately I think its message that counts more than anything. I'm on vacation now, and spending a lot of time this week working on that.


Posted by: Hawthorn P. Leghorn | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:34 AM
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14: Thank you so much! I am on an island right now with a bunch of people from Massachusetts, but I didn't recognize the name. I was concerned I had overlooked a supporter. Glad to see I did not.


Posted by: Hawthorn P. Leghorn | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:36 AM
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Yeah, I think a lot of the distaste for signs is campaign staffers getting annoyed that people are constantly badgering them for signs. I'm sure they do have some value especially in low-profile local races where name recognition has a big effect. A good video is definitely going to have a bigger impact though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:38 AM
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By the way, people should know that if your address in Act-Blue is not up to date, I'm not going to be able to send you a card. I've already had one returned as unforwardable from one of our dear friends in NYC.


Posted by: Hawthorn P. Leghorn | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:47 AM
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David Shor argues that the conventional reasoning on yard signs is wrong, and that better, recent studies have found that signs do help. I have not read the research myself.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:53 AM
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NMM to Paul Sorvino.

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Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 10:53 AM
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Mine was not up to date but I changed it right after I made the donation, so it is now.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 11:58 AM
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23 and David Warner too on the same day. Bob Rafelson yesterday. All the greats are going


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 12:02 PM
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I am not a movies person, but I read a profile of Rafelson yesterday, and was very impressed that one of the great forces behind the flowering of '70s American film was also the guy who got his professional start coming up with the Monkees. I had no idea at all.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 12:22 PM
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"Flowers for Rafelson" was a thing, right?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-25-22 12:35 PM
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