Re: Stunts

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These stunts are bad, and yet in terms of consequences, I think the mundane cruelties of a)Jim Crow or b)ICE are much worse. That is -- I'm not sure if the "victims" of the Reverse Freedom Rides were worse off for being sent north. Same for the "victims" of the DeSantis stunt.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 10:33 AM
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Oh, yeah. DeSantis made some asshole statement about how they were better off for the trip, which is probably true, but still doesn't excuse tricking people onto a plane and sending them to a small island with no appropriate facilities.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:02 AM
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Like, 50 people to an island with a population of 15,000 is 0.3 percent of the entire population. That's just stupid.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:05 AM
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I don't think the size of the island matters in a moral calculation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:05 AM
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I don't think the size of the island matters in a moral calculation.

*British politicians breathe a sigh of relief*


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:06 AM
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4 before seeing 3. I think the deception is what matters most.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:06 AM
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Anyway, I'm prepared to accept that they would have gone willingly if DeSantis was honest and that he just lied as a matter of habit, but I don't think it's obvious that they would have.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:09 AM
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I agree that Jim Crow and ICE are worse! Just, y'know, novelty bias. I already know about those things.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:22 AM
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The deception is the big moral issue. Without the deception, I think Abbot has been busing asylees to NYC for a while, I'm not sure how deceptively. And I don't think that's a meaningful injury to NY, if the asylees are fine with it -- we have the capacity in social services to help them out, whether or not we actually perform adequately at that. And of course we have the whole statue in the harbor committing us to the idea.

But putting them on a plane to Martha's Vineyard is just a dumb stunt -- there obviously weren't services in place for them there.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:24 AM
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Right, but rather than abandon my stupid comment, I'm going to argue that I'm right since Martha's Vineyard is larger than many islands with plenty of services.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:42 AM
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What if you put one asylum seeker each on one island of an archipelago, each offering a different service? Better, worse, or about the same?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 11:46 AM
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Why did DeSantis send people from Texas? Did no one want to leave Florida? That seems unlikely.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:01 PM
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Obviously tastes vary, but Texas is just objectively a better place than Florida.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:07 PM
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People don't flow across the border to Fl in an uncontrolled way in the same way they do to states with land borders. Not that there aren't people seeking asylum in Florida, but they've been in the country for a bit and been through whatever the first level of processing is.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:11 PM
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No more Haitians on boats?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:16 PM
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Maybe I remember Clueless too well.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:19 PM
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Were there ever many Haitians on boats? It's a lot farther than Cuba. But in any case, I think there aren't many boat people these days.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:19 PM
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Yes.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:33 PM
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That was longer ago than I thought. I'm old.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:37 PM
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Imagine how they feel.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:46 PM
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Other than the deception I think it's a good idea. If Florida has so much money to spend on helping migrants, how about they offer them all travel vouchers? Some would travel to be with family, some would travel to places with jobs, and in so far as there is a problem with land-border states being overwhelmed with asylum-seekers, it would help disperse them throughout the country.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 12:56 PM
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Aren't they? Maybe only after it's granted.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 1:23 PM
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Do we know who Perla is yet?

The whole stunt is a pathetic play for applause from the garbage faction. Are they are applauding, so, success!

It sounded for a while like some federal employees were involved in the MV stunt. If so, one hopes for summary termination.

I think all 50 tricked into going to MV should be granted citizenship asap -- let the VP administer the oath -- and given vouchers, if they want, to move to Florida or Texas.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 1:31 PM
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The NYPost should be ashamed of itself, but it very clearly lost that capacity many decades ago.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 1:35 PM
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14: Obviously Desantis isn't politically dumb enough to have tried that stunt with asylum seekers from Cuba, but it's amusing to imagine: what if?


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 4:13 PM
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There are no asylum seekers from Cuba, no? Cubans have a completely separate easy immigration path that's Cuban-only, right?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 4:24 PM
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So, uh, these protests in Iran should probably be getting more attention.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 8:27 PM
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Ah, the Post is on it. Amazing stuff.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-23-22 8:29 PM
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23: I think Abbot flew a bunch of people to Sacramento. They had to walk from the airport to the city. The coverage of that stunt hasn't been as extensive.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-24-22 7:03 AM
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Because no one in Sacramento can relate to walking?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-22 7:38 AM
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Abbott has got to be pissed that DeSantis is getting so much attention for this stunt.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-24-22 9:16 AM
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Marketing plus evil beats evil.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-22 9:45 AM
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I would link the article, but I'm on my phone. Anyway, the article says that no one is claiming responsibility for the migrants that were flown to Sacramento.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-24-22 9:47 AM
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25: Except he chose Venezuelans, and the Venezuelan exile community is fairly Republican-leaning (and reportedly pissed off about this): https://www.wsj.com/articles/like-the-cubans-before-them-venezuelan-exiles-are-transforming-florida-politics-1512327743


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-27-22 5:12 AM
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If there's one thing we know about right-wing Venezuelans, it's that they aren't very good at getting the political outcome they want.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-22 5:41 AM
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