Re: Curfews

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Yes, seems ideal to generate records kids of color building up to imprisonment.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 7:35 AM
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Doesn't anyone believe in freedom there?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 7:37 AM
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Freedom to have all the guns, yes. Freedom to walk around without being stopped by police when you're a member of a demographic that is not on city council, no.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 7:52 AM
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How do the curfews work exactly? It's a violation for someone under 18 to be outdoors at specific times of day or night without a listed excuse?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 8:22 AM
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How would they justify it being a curfew violation to be outside at noon in October but not at noon in July?


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 8:30 AM
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It'd have to explicitly reference the school schedule, I assume.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 8:39 AM
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Not all schools in an area are on the same schedule.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 8:41 AM
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My leafy, bucolic suburb has a curfew. The only time We've ever had to deal with it was when my then minor daughter was out late with a brown person.


Posted by: Rob Helpy-Chalk | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 8:43 AM
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It's November. The leaves are gone.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 9:06 AM
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How do the curfews work exactly? It's a violation for someone under 18 to be outdoors at specific times of day or night without a listed excuse?

The language in the ordinance is that the listed excuses are "defense to prosecution". So the cop is allowed to stop anyone that looks suspicious, and the onus is on the individual to have a valid excuse.


Posted by: LBJ | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 9:12 AM
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Putting an onus on minors sounds creepy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 9:23 AM
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9: They're still here. They're just piled up on the tree lawn by the side of the road. The big truck will suck them up soon.


Posted by: Rob Helpy-Chalk | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 9:30 AM
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I was curious if Austin had a curfew. Apparently it did for a span including most of my childhood - 1990 to 2017 - but presumably in response to some pushing, the police said "the research shows that a juvenile curfew does not address crime and victimization."


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 9:35 AM
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They used to say "Austin, City Limits" for a reason.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 9:40 AM
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This reminded me of what I used to do when my mom left me alone in the house when I was a teenager - I would go on long walks in the middle of the night through the bucolic leafy streets of Bethesda. Of the vague fears that made this more exciting, I don't think it ever occurred to me that I would be stopped by a cop.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 11:32 AM
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https://genius.com/George-clinton-if-anybody-gets-funked-up-its-gonna-be-you-lyrics

If there's a curfew then we all go to jail
'Cause we gon' be
Gettin' illegal, gettin' illegal
Funk ain't no sin
And no, we won't go to hell
It's just illegal (just illegal)
It's just illegal (just illegal)

Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 11:36 AM
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We used to play cross-town hide and seek after dark. Probably not after 11:00 though


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 11:37 AM
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As people here say from time to time about various things, the cruelty is the point.


Posted by: Chris Y | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:05 PM
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I remember as a teenager getting kicked out of a park in Berkeley, near the Rose Garden, where we were playing capture the flag in a game that ran past sunset. No general curfew but the park was supposed to be closed after dark, albeit with no gates or anything.

Shortly before we were asked to leave, a guy dressed in business casual clothing and carrying a briefcase emerged from the woods next to the field and, moving very quickly but not obviously running in a way that might attract attention, said, "There's cops around here!" He disappeared before the cops broke up the game.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:15 PM
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He was probably a fresh-air masturbation enthusiast.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:19 PM
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Fuller brush salesman selling cocaine on the side?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:21 PM
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You're probably right. Always consider base probability.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:24 PM
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Could easily be both.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:25 PM
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Unlikely. You need to multiply probability and that drops the odds quickly.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:26 PM
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I assume without much knowledge or evidence that Texas has a lot of homeschoolers. How does that work with the curfew, since they can presumably do what they want during school hours?


Posted by: parodie | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:26 PM
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Homeschoolers have good and extremely conservative lawyers (HSLDA) and the state has probably learned by now not mess with them.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:03 PM
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Also they're mostly white.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:05 PM
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Texas leads the nation in the number of families who homeschool. THSC estimates that more than 400,000 families in the state have chosen this method of education and that more than 750,000 students are being taught at home.

https://thsc.org/texas-homeschooling/#:~:text=Texas%20leads%20the%20nation%20in,are%20being%20taught%20at%20home.

Although I have no idea if this is a reliable source.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:18 PM
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I don't understand why there would be any meaningful interaction between homeschooling and curfew - curfews often are (or in Austin were) 11pm-6am. And I wouldn't agree homeschooled children do what they want during school hours: most of them are presumably under some kind of supervision, based on the kinds of parents we're talking about.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 4:01 PM
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In theory they're supposed to be at home. It's right there in the name.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 4:53 PM
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It's rightthereinthe name

Curfew? "Couvre feu" means damp down the fire. So they're supposed to be home and cold?


Posted by: Chris Y | Link to this comment | 11-20-22 12:17 PM
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It's rightthereinthe name

Curfew? "Couvre feu" means damp down the fire. So they're supposed to be home and cold?


Posted by: Chris Y | Link to this comment | 11-20-22 12:17 PM
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It's rightthereinthe name

Curfew? "Couvre feu" means damp down the fire. So they're supposed to be home and cold?


Posted by: Chris Y | Link to this comment | 11-20-22 12:17 PM
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It's rightthereinthe name

Curfew? "Couvre feu" means damp down the fire. So they're supposed to be home and cold?


Posted by: Chris Y | Link to this comment | 11-20-22 12:17 PM
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Sorry. No idea why that happened.


Posted by: Chris Y | Link to this comment | 11-20-22 12:18 PM
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