Very complex indeed, and an aspect of the situation not widely understood in the West.

I didn't realize the agricultural workers in Israel weren't still Palestinian.

They probably aren't going to get young, liberal American Jews to do agricultural labor again.

2: cheering wildly when your employers get bombed is not always conducive to long-term stable continuation of the employment contract, as some employers may be unreasonably sensitive about that sort of thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodus_from_Kuwait_(1990%E2%80%9391)

That's a part of the apartheid formula Israel just couldn't seem to master; but then SA wasn't committing genocide in the bantustans.

6: counterpoint - you'd pick the Israeli economy over that of South Africa.

well, 5.

We are now observing a seamless shift from the previous position of "Palestinians working in Israel is apartheid-style exploitation" to the new position of "Palestinians not working in Israel is an act of oppressive economic warfare". Please update accordingly.

I saw someone on X seriously arguing for a one-state solution by pointing to how successful Yugoslavia had been, and when the predictable response of "were you in a cave in the early 1990s or what" emerged, they doubled down by saying they'd rather have four years of the Bosnian war than 80 years of the Israel/Palestine business, which makes me think that people in the US either massively overestimate how bloody I/P has been, or massively underestimate how bloody Bosnia was. Bosnia killed, in four years, three times as many people and displaced five times as many people as the entire I/P conflict from 1948 (out of a total population about a quarter of the size).

In fairness, I think SA would have reacted at least as badly as Israel is doing had any of its enemies pulled off something on the scale of Oct. 7.

Thinking people should have employment but not really shitty employment isn't a shift.

8: both of those are true.

Maybe the land could go back to the Palestinians and they could work it themselves.

First you don't want me to hire you as near-slave labor. Now you don't want to starve. Make up your mind!

13: it's just always about the ethnic cleansing with you, isn't it? Like Father Ted. "Is there *anything* to be said for having another mass deportation?"

14: I don't think slaves get $1500 a month.

I guess if the Egyptians let them in to work they might make the Egyptian median salary which is... $300 a month. Much less oppressive and slavelike.

I'm guessing the Hamas recruiting brochure mentions those options in a section titled "What the fuck do you have to lose?"

My mom's live-in aide is going home to the Phillippines for a month. I don't want to say anything to my mom especially given that I don't actually know anything, but I'm a little anxious that she's not going to come back. It sounds like it's kind of scary to be in Israel these days.

There's terrorists killing people in the Philippines too.

20: Good point.

But I guess MILF is disarmed.

If the colonists are sad, maybe they should stop being colonists

You got to commit to the bit.

23: I know I shouldn't be here, but I'm not sure where to go.

Is Upper Arlington still nice?

We offer a business-friendly environment, strong legal protections, and a welcoming cosmopolitan society.

Sejm as it ever was?

15 to 23.

I'm guessing the Hamas recruiting brochure mentions those options in a section titled "What the fuck do you have to lose?

They have very real economic anxieties. That's why they keep saying all that about "the Jews will not replace us".

23: Natilo is hoping we forget that he thinks all French Jews are just, in his words, Israeli fifth columnists with French passports. If they can't stay in Israel, and they can't be accepted anywhere else, I do wonder where you want them to go, Natilo.
(Actually I know perfectly well where you want them to go.)

30 that's the right wing anti-Semites, not the Islamist anti-Semites nor the left wing anti-Semites. Gotta keep 'em straight, especially these days, more's the pity.

Incidentally, yesterday I heard my first explicitly anti-Semitic sentiments and this after having many conversations with Palestinians, Lebanese, Egyptians, etc, here about the Israel/Palestine situation and eavesdropping on many more only this came from the Portuguese wife of my personal trainer (who is Lebanese and from whom I've heard nothing anti-Semitic and we've discussed the situation multiple times.) It caught me so off guard I didn't realize what she was saying until I was almost out the door. She was asking me when the US elections were, being worried about the return of Trump, as am I and I discussed the situation in the US and said I was worried about Michigan given the large Arab-American population there and how badly Biden has flubbed the war in Gaza enabling the ongoing genocide, etc., I expressed my view that I've never really understood what Israel does for the US as a geostrategic partner/client, we've only ever had to beg them to restrain themselves when acting in the region like when Saddam was launching Scuds at Tel Aviv, or Reagan made Begin back down from the onslaught in Beirut in the early 80s (incidentally Reagan described what the IDF was doing as a "holocaust," can you imagine if a politician said that now?), and so on to which she said well, they're big in the economy and I said no, their economy is not that big, Poland's is bigger, Mexico's is bigger, etc, and she doubled down and was like they have a lot of influence on the world economy, they're everywhere in the world economy and again I'm like no, they don't, their economy is not that big and so on as I'm walking out the door and that's when I realize to myself, oh, you mean the Jews. I didn't go back to push back on that but I'll be seeing her again in the gym (she's also a personal trainer) and will do so.

Yet another vibes-based interpretation of the economy ignoring the clear data.

Good timing, spammer.