Re: Guest Post: splosht!

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My links are always bright. Like goldfish.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 5:29 AM
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Presumably this is largely "China and East Asia get rich and start eating more animal protein".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 6:35 AM
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"...1kg of fish meal to produce 1.2kg. On average across all fed aquaculture species, 1kg of fishmeal produced 4kg of fish"
It's very optimistic, they've overcome the laws of thermodynamics!
(Yeah yeah water content and other nutritional thingies floating in the water)


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 6:47 AM
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Presumably they've figured out how to grow fish using good old corn and soybeans.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 6:50 AM
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I'm also picturing Betty White leading a blindfolded cow to the edge of the water.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 7:37 AM
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Fishmeal is a protein-rich flour made by milling and drying fish or fish parts
So, in this context, fish food made of fish.
increasing demand for fishmeal and fish oil has led to an increase in their prices, with an impact on their utilization. Their inclusion rates in compound feeds for aquaculture have shown a clear downward trend, largely as a result of diversified protein sources and improved feeding efficiency to respond to supply and price variations and increasing demand from the aquafeed industry. Fishmeal and fish oil are increasingly used selectively at specific stages of production, such as for hatchery, broodstock and finishing diets, and their incorporation in grower diets is decreasing. For example, their share in grower diets for farmed Atlantic salmon is now often less than 10 percent


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 7:47 AM
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I get chided here for not seeing the nuances,

Wait! There are nuances? Why was I not informed?

There are two underlying assumptions here: one is that per capita consumption will only grow to 21.3 kg per person per year, compared to 20.7 kg currently. Is that right? I don't know.

The other assumption is that current practices are sustainable. The linked report says it ain't so:

SOFIA shows that 62.3% of the stocks we harvest are sustainably exploited, which means that almost 40% are not.

And of course, we are ignoring the other environmental impacts of aquaculture.

But I like farm-raised seafood just fine. My first cognizable experience with it was forty years ago with farm-raised catfish, which I like a lot, and I eat a lot of farm-raised shrimp these days.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 7:52 AM
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The other assumption is that current practices are sustainable. The linked report says it ain't so:
SOFIA shows that 62.3% of the stocks we harvest are sustainably exploited, which means that almost 40% are not.

That refers to capture fisheries, not to aquaculture!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 8:10 AM
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8.last. Right. That's what's unsustainable. (But maybe I'm missing something. I didn't, you know, actually read the link.)

Anyway, Josh Marshall has shamed me into retracting 7 altogether. Talking about polls, he writes:

Demoralization isn't a fun or a pleasant way to live life. It also has big, real-world implications. Demoralized teams lose more often than focused, positive and motivated ones. Demoralized parties waste time in pointless conversations; they fritter away energy on blame games over elections that haven't even been decided yet. It's simply not a good way to live in the world, let alone run a campaign.

So I have to recognize that, like heebie, I need to be attentive to the positive nuances and stop spreading demoralization.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 8:19 AM
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I've been minimizing my shrimp consumption because of the slavery. I didn't know farm raised was available.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 8:56 AM
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The trout fishing people are very efficient. They just catch the fish, lick it, and put it back.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 9:04 AM
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I really only buy the wild shrimp from Argentina, rather than the farmed shrimp from Asia. There's a sticker on the former that says Sustainably Caught or similar words.

Although now I've kind of stopped buying shrimp because of the gout.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 9:06 AM
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Do shrimp with gout taste bad?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 9:09 AM
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If you haven't had gout yet, my advice is don't get it.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 9:46 AM
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Several years ago we stayed at an airbnb in Costa Rica that seemed like some kind of doomsday compound. Surrounded by a tall wall, fields of food inside the wall, and a couple tilapia ponds. The sheer density to which you can raise tilapia was astounding. One of the caretakers gave my then-5 yo a rope with a hook on the end, no bait, and tossed the hook into one of the ponds and within 30 seconds she pulled out a fish. Mush have been thousands of them in a surface area of maybe half a basketball court, several feet deep.
As for fish cannibalism, mad cow was spread by feeding cow byproducts back to other cows but as far as I know there aren't prions in fish.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 9:52 AM
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I'll ask my doctor. But he's usually opposed to me getting stuff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 9:53 AM
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10: oh definitely. My first job out of school was working on a Chinese shrimp farm.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 10:35 AM
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Not as a slave, I should clarify.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 10:36 AM
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Overseeër.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 10:38 AM
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At the time I thought I was guarding the last frontier of the British Empire, but I had forgotten about Gibraltar and the Cyprus Sovereign Base Areas. Last frontier east of Suez, I guess.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 10:41 AM
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"Overseer" sounds like the head seer. So I'm trying out a new word for "a person who oversees." If you like it, please write in support to crankasshole@webster.org.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 12:05 PM
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20: (1) Were there any Ten Commandments? and (2) Did you find that you could raise a thirst?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 12:08 PM
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19 to 21.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 12:10 PM
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Yes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 12:12 PM
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Ah, I see.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 12:14 PM
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I should have clarified.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 12:23 PM
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No, I just misread 21.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 1:24 PM
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22: in my experience there were, at most, two out of ten. And yes.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 1:32 PM
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@SamRo on twitter argues that the presence of shrimp at industry events is a sensitive indicator of economic conditions, and when I saw this in December I was at an AMD event in San Jose and I hadn't noticed any. Having tweeted this I turned around and there they were! So I asked for a raise as soon as I was back in the UK.

I got it. I have since observed shrimp presence for GTC 24 and two different Intel events and am acting accordingly. I strongly recommend letting the conjuncture crustaceans command your career.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 1:43 PM
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Or if you like, take an augury from the auspicious arthropods


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 1:44 PM
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29 is hilarious


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 2:34 PM
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NMM to Françoise Hardy

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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 3:37 PM
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Is José Hardy still with us?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 3:48 PM
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The gentleman prefers blonds?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 6:05 PM
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All the lakes around here are stocked with bass and trout and whatnot but I don't suppose that counts as aquaculture.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-11-24 8:47 PM
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As Confucius, or Lao Tzu, or possibly even Zig Ziglar, says, "Give a man a fish..." etc etc


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 4:09 AM
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Teach a man to bicycle and he'll fish for a day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 5:03 AM
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Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 5:12 AM
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WELCOME TO MY WORLD.


Posted by: OPINIONATED CHINESE CORMORANT | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 5:15 AM
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First you get the cormorant, then you get the fish, then you get the women.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 5:29 AM
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Those who can't fish for a day, teach those to fish for a day.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 5:50 AM
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Eat fish for a day in the streets, eat fish for a lifetime in the sheets.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 5:50 AM
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If I have caught more fish than others, it is because I used dynamite.


Posted by: Anachronistic Newton | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 6:31 AM
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If I had six hours to catch a fish, I would spend the first four sharpening my trident. Then I would find someone who, unlike me, knew how to spear fish with a trident and offer to sell him my nice sharp trident in exchange for a fish.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:10 AM
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I saw someone get a fish with an arrow. It was a little impressive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:25 AM
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I saw Lon Chaney walking with the Queen, doing the fish of London.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:27 AM
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45 an arrow's a better trade than the trident


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:31 AM
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Who wants trident? I do! I do!


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:32 AM
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We could be fishies, just for one day.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:33 AM
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Trident!?! I invented it!


Posted by: Poseidon | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:34 AM
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an arrow's a better trade than the trident

But a trident is what I have! Maybe I can get some sort of sharecropping deal. Like, he gets exclusive trident privileges in return for two fish a week.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:47 AM
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37: I always liked "A woman needs a bicycle like a man needs to fish" because it's literally true and it's a synecdoche for something that is true, i.e. society needs to be structured in such a way that women can travel safely, freely and autonomously, and men can have some spare time for hobbies.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:50 AM
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51 but you could break off one of the prongs of the trident and fashion it into an arrow. Then you'd have a fish and a bident.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 7:55 AM
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My dad has this big scar from when used to fish with unexploded grenades as a kid. You can apparently catch a lot of fish, and a few small children, that way.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 8:25 AM
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You need to explode the grenade at some point. Unless you've got a great arm.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 8:30 AM
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My dad was in the navy during the Korean War, but I don't know if he counts as a Korean War veteran. He was stationed in an awful place (Missouri), but not near Korea.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 8:54 AM
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Eat fish for a day in the streets, eat fish for a lifetime in the sheets.

...laydeez.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 9:20 AM
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I dreamed I landed the fish in my Maidenform bra.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 9:29 AM
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Shrimp check: our own event in London served lobster in the mac and cheese today, so that might be even more shrimp than shrimp.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 10:52 AM
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I've seen it on menus, but it does not sound appealing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 11:18 AM
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Shrimp farming is supposed to be bad because of the mangroves that get destroyed to make room for shrimp farming. That's why I prefer wild caught shrimp, although to be honest, I just buy whatever they sell at my local coop. They are crunchy-granola enough that I feel comfortable relying on their ability to discern which seafood is sustainably harvested enough for them to have in stock.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 11:36 AM
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Mac and cheese sounds like a great way to disguise inferior seafood.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 11:51 AM
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61. It's also not ideal because of the slave labour used in shrimp farming.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 1:38 PM
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61: true but in this case they made up for it by letting migrants eat the shrimp, so it was a terrific stopping off place for all sorts of exotic migrants.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 2:03 PM
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If someone is going to Scotland, maybe check out this place.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 4:25 PM
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That was me. The map has a "right to access for water supply", which suggests that running water isn't a part of the deal.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 4:27 PM
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But there is what used to be a bathroom and a kitchen sink.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 4:33 PM
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130k is a lot for an uninhabitable cottage in the middle of nowhere. You could buy a huge church in the centre of town for a third of that. https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/147923621#/?channel=COM_BUY


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-24 11:20 PM
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Also you can stay in cottages in the middle of nowhere for free, just google "Mountain Bothies Association"


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 1:04 AM
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Turning a church into a residence seems expensive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 5:22 AM
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The bothy sounds nice, but I want one with a couple of acres and that's not open up everyone who can walk up the hill.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 5:44 AM
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"Turning a church into a residence seems expensive."

It is - we looked into it before we bought the Big House - but turning an uninhabitable bothy in the middle of nowhere into a residence would also be expensive...


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 6:11 AM
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You'd just need some plaster and a way to kick out the trainspotting extras still living there.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 6:14 AM
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In the sequel, "T2 Trainspotting", we finally learn why the damn film was called Trainspotting in the first place. (There's a conversation in the book that makes it clear but it didn't make it into the script for the first film.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 8:11 AM
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Btw, we're playing "how long will the worst doctor keep me in the waiting room?" My appointment was 20 minutes ago, so there's no real cause for alarm yet.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 8:43 AM
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I always assumed it was because effective rail transport was as addictive as smack.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 8:53 AM
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Still in waiting room, 50 minutes in. Mild dismay setting in.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 9:13 AM
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If you've been waiting more than an hour, legally they have to give you a vicodin if you ask.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 9:16 AM
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1:20. Getting taken to 2nd room to wait!


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 9:43 AM
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And you haven't even touched the marshmallow.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 10:13 AM
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Heh.

Got seen, got out, had a long drive home.

This is my gynecologist-oncologist who's been monitoring me for 15 years or so. But now he's moving up to DFW. As much as I mildly disliked him, I'm also feeling intimidated by finding someone new.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 11:47 AM
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Why would David Foster Wallace need a gynecologist?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-13-24 12:11 PM
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