Re: Incarceration Cliff

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Bring back debtors prison?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 4:33 AM
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First inmate, the guy who didn't return the apostrophe.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 4:41 AM
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OP: I'm pretty sure the vast majority of your monsters will be prison unions, not private prisons.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 4:42 AM
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No more Medicaid funded nursing homes, but you can go to prison for standing in the way of the secret police. The obvious solution is right there.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 4:58 AM
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KH is one of the authors of the old "The RBC"/SameFacts blog along with the late Mark A.R. Kleiman, if anyone remembers.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:00 AM
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Columbus had an abandoned prison they turned into a hockey arena. A cautionary tale for us.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:29 AM
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All those people that ICE grabs go into the system and stay there indefinitely as forced labor for whatever the SS ICE wants them to do.
-- Today in "Ask a Germanist"


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:30 AM
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Guys, it's the dumbest timeline. Congress unanimously passes a tough-on-crime bill extending everyone's sentences 25 years.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:38 AM
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6: Just to be clear they tore down the prison and built an arena in roughly the same spot. It's not the same structure.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:40 AM
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And here I was imagining some intricate new brutality swirling through the frosted over courtyards, bloodthirsty Ohioans heckling from the catwalks.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:52 AM
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I think they also built an office park.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 6:00 AM
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I assume Trump will convert them all to death camps.


Posted by: Roger the Cabin Boy | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 6:06 AM
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3: Surprisingly, the California prison guards' union, which was notorious in this regard, did very little political spending between 2005 and 2019. And that includes the entire (second) governorship of Jerry Brown, who greatly reduced prison population by moving a chunk to county jails (where they often got out sooner).

But then, maybe over these exact existential issues, they started spending big on Gavin Newsom - like millions, particularly on his anti-recall campaign. But he has still closed three state prisons and ended the contract on a private one in his time.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 7:20 AM
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8: Only 147,000 people are in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons. The rest are state or local facilities, plus immigration detention and US Marshals (pretrial).


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 7:24 AM
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https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2025.html


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 7:25 AM
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NH is laying off a bunch of prison guards per its latest budget. But that's more about Republicans slashing spending so they can drown the government in a bathtub than it is about actual workforce need.

At the time they are increasing mandatory minimums and revoked bail reform, so I think the idea is for the incarceration experience just to generally be more punitive and harsh.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 8:30 AM
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11: where I am at this very moment "working".


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 8:50 AM
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I hope the army of displaced rats is gone by now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 9:07 AM
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GOT SOME BAD NEWS ON THAT FRONT


Posted by: OPINIONATED WILLARD | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 10:48 AM
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Incarceration Cliff
When they remake Cheers in 2034, Cliff will be a prison guard as it will not be realistic that the government would employ someone to deliver mail.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 12:16 PM
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I shudder to think of what the remake will do to Norms.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 12:27 PM
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Anyway, it looks like Louisiana is doing their part to keep the incarcerated population up.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 12:29 PM
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that's horrible.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 1:49 PM
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16:!!!

In MA we've already been shutting them down. The oldest prison outside of Boston closed. It right near the commuter rail, so it's prime real estate for housing.

In the past 10 years it dropped about 45%. We're the least incarcerated state in the country. I think there are policy choices too. The guy I mentored through college behind bars got off of parole. His parole officer was a big support person for him and really encouraging him to take that step. When I went to a sentencing hearing for him several years ago, they were pretty harsh. He said he was told that the current governor is trying to get people out of the system.

We've also changed how we deal with non-violent drug offfenders, so fewer of the, are in prison.

Just read 16. Wow, totally different from here. And I don't think of Healey a drastically more liberal than Baker. Kind of pissed bout her approach to ICE, tbh.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 5:53 PM
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For a movie that's basically one and a half hours of one and a half people talking about not very much, Mimang is actually great.
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Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 07-10-25 11:44 PM
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To what extent is the decline one incarceration causally related to the increase in homelessness?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 12:53 AM
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Mimecraft?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 3:10 AM
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K-craft.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 4:05 AM
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For a movie that's basically one and a half hours of one and a half people talking about not very much

This qualifier is doing a lot of work.


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 4:14 AM
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It's really good! Just don't expect John Wick, is what I'm saying.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 4:35 AM
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John Wick was very good, but I'm not watching it again.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 5:13 AM
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25: I am just curious about the half person.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 6:13 AM
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It's more like one and two quarters, really.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 6:43 AM
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Off to swim.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 6:51 AM
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34: Dead-on ogged impression!

33: Is this new math?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 8:06 AM
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I'm back.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 8:39 AM
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I can't go more than 100 yards crawl without losing all form and breathing very wrong.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 8:54 AM
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26: Maybe somewhat, but it's certainly not the prime driver of homelessness - that's housing costs. Much like you can have more substance dependence but far less homelessness in states with cheap housing.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 8:54 AM
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I was also wondering whether less incarceration for non-violent drug offenses could play a role in the pipeline the other direction.

I live in a very LCOL region and homelessness has gone way up, obviously not as much as in California, but still a lot.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 9:21 AM
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Greyhound therapy?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 9:24 AM
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39: Remember also that the bulk of incarceration is sentencing for more serious or violent crime because that's what piles up the population not getting out over decades.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 10:14 AM
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If homelessness has gone up a lot recently it's almost certainly because housing demand suddenly hit the limit of available supply. There are other causal factors but they don't usually change that quickly.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 10:39 AM
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37: I've just discovered water aerobics and it's my new favorite thing.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 2:45 PM
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Don't your legwarmers get soaked?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-25 2:48 PM
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