Re: 31337

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This means nothing to me. What dos it mean to say that you just replaced their code with a 5-line shell script? Did you just make the program more elegant?


Posted by: bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 4:43 PM
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I replaced a 8,000 line program written in C with 5 lines of code written in perl.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 4:47 PM
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All while commenting on Unfogged. I know it's unseemly to brag but I felt like I earned my pay today for once.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 4:49 PM
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I hope your department's production isn't being measure by the number of lines of code produced.


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 4:58 PM
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That does sound 31337.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 4:59 PM
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3: Nice link, Becks. It's only been a couple of days, but I'd already forgotten what a psycho ogged could be about certain social interactions. A nice psycho, a smart psycho, a good and just psycho, but still, in some areas...a psycho.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 5:20 PM
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You know, that "earned pay" thing--serves Ogged right for banning me, but he was totally right.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 5:30 PM
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I'm not going to get into it, B, but no, he was entirely, totally, frighteningly wrong.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 5:33 PM
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Nope. Right. And I'm shocked that y'all disagreed, honestly.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 5:38 PM
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I truly love Unfogged. Only on this site could a post about racial issues result in a comment thread about computers at the same time that a post about computers results in a discussion about racial issues.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 5:52 PM
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I can see why the UPS guy took the remark as offensive, but I'm sure the college kid didn't mean it that way. Ogged "hating on" the kid for what was at worst an unintentionally insensitive remark that he meant as a compliment seems a little extreme. And Ogged's banning of B, judging from what I saw reading the archives many months after the fact, was more than a little extreme.


Posted by: Frederick | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:01 PM
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How do you get your hair to stand up in those two little points?


Posted by: Bob Munck | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:01 PM
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10: Well taking this thread from computers to racial insensitivy is pretty remarkable, but I don't think that the Rangel quote--which has since turned into a thread about computers--is about racial insensitivity. It' just about what a moron W. is.

In fact, I think that he should get his own unique racial and national classification--the better to disown him with.


Posted by: bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:04 PM
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Yeah, BG, I was reaching for the parallel but it still amused me.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:06 PM
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I missed that "earned pay" thread (and so many other threads and injokes I still don't know the meaning of) via not being around, but one thing I find interesting, after skimming the comments (reading most of them) is that Ogged kept maintaining that he was talking about an African-American UPS guy and a "white kid," and why didn't everyone understand that, but, in fact, in his post he merely wrote about an African-American UPS guy and a "student."

Apparently "student" means "white kid."

If Ogged were still here, he'd now be braining me.

"You know, that "earned pay' thing--serves Ogged right for banning me, but he was totally right."

Did he delete all your comments? I didn't see even one from you in that thread.

"Only on this site could a post...."

I don't mean to spoil the self-congrats, and be a bringdown, and all, and all serious as usual, but that's a pile of crap.

I guess I do mean to spoil the self-congrats, and be a bringdown. But not in a bad way.

Not that you shouldn't love the site and recent commenters. But get real. Or not.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:09 PM
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"Well taking this thread from computers to racial insensitivy is pretty remarkable...."

Similarly: I take it you guys were never on Usenet. Or any bright mailing list, pre-blogging, or one heck of a zillion different blogs or LiveJournals, or....


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:11 PM
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Gary, for christ's sake.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:14 PM
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Sweet script Becks. Perl rules!


Posted by: Mr. B | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:30 PM
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15: Ogged said "honkey," Gary. That usually denotes whiteness.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:31 PM
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I replaced a 8,000 line program written in C with 5 lines of code written in perl.

It doesn't count if you just call out to the original program.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:39 PM
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"Ogged said "honkey," Gary. That usually denotes whiteness."

Actually, the word in the first 'graph was "honky," which I grant usually denotes paler-skinned people. I dunno what "honkey" denotes.

But I grant that I missed that, through haste, in the first paragraph and just read the actual anecdote:

I was a freshman in college, walking out of my dorm, and an African-American UPS guy was pulling his stacked hand-trolley step by step up the entranceway. Another student, watching, said to him, "You're earning your pay today."

Somehow, the driver didn't take the hand-trolley, brain the kid, and set off on a mission to brain his parents. He just said, "I earn my pay every day." But you're entirely correct, absent spelling, and I was wrong to have missed that. My bad.

"Gary, for christ's sake."

Not Christian. And, yeah, I'm kicking kittens and puppies again. I said I meant it "not in a bad way," but, sure, that's not magic dust. But it is actually possible to indulge in squeeing enthusiasm for something without saying stuff that's blatantly ridiculous. "I just love the Unfogged commenters for being so bright and kewl!" "I love that taking this thread from computers to racial insensitivy is entirely typical of this blog!" Or whatever.

Anyway, if responding that way is dreadfully offensive, or just tone-deaf of me and out of place, well, I'm giving a shot at seeing how my peg fits in the new hole, and if it doesn't, it doesn't.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:54 PM
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I agreed with ogged in that thread, but fell silent. There was work to do, and it is always more pleasing to make fun of ogged than to support him.

Now ogged is gone.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:56 PM
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Everyone loves it when someone goes up to them and says, in the most blunt and irascible way possible, "you're not special".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 6:58 PM
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I know I do.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 7:03 PM
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stick around Gary, just so long as you're insulting only half the time. Like me.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 7:04 PM
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OT, but someone has started a Rocket racing league.


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 7:05 PM
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When my son was at Tufts, he said "The students aren't all white, but they might as well be". This is relevant to Gary's original huff, even though Gary huffed inappropriately.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 7:21 PM
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Now wait a minute! Was it a shell script or a perl script?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 8:59 PM
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15: The Bphd banning had nothing whatsoever to do with that thread, she was just saying that if she'd been around at that time she'd have been agreeing with ogged in that thread.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:00 PM
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A shell script is a mother-of-perl script.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:04 PM
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28 - Dammit. WMYBSALB, w-lfs-n? I really didn't want to have to go back in and edit that. Seriously - the second I hit post on that comment, my thought was "Crap - I really shouldn't have said 'shell script'. Oh well, nobody will catch it. Wait - w-lfs-n will."


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:05 PM
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Now I don't have to edit the post anyway. If I do, nobody will understand your comment. Problem solved!


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:06 PM
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STANDPIPE IS THE GREATEST


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:10 PM
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NO! Fuck Standpipe! Apostropher is—huh.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:27 PM
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EVERYONE WHO WASN'T ON USENET IS BANNED.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:30 PM
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Sweet. I'm still here.

Hopefully, I can relax and enjoy some quiet now. Once I gag Gary and stuff him in the janitor's closet, that is.

I kid, I kid!


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:33 PM
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I remember when we didn't have modems, so we had to shriek into the phone our own goddamned selves.

DEEDEEDEEDOODOODOOawwwwwwWEEawwwwwww, bitches!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:35 PM
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I had my manservant do it for me.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:37 PM
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Holy crap. I'm logged in.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:37 PM
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Damn. Banned from a blog I blog on. FL is swinging his (large, beautiful) newfound status as senior blogger around tonight.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:39 PM
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[redacted]


Posted by: [redacted] | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:40 PM
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I remember when we had to walk up hill both ways just to use the tin can phone internet.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:41 PM
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Did Standpipe just discover a new superpower?


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:42 PM
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Would you like to play a game Professor Falken?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:42 PM
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And I remember every dreaded September, when the college punks would hook up their can without cleaning the food out first, or forget the fishing line, or etc. etc.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:43 PM
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Back in my early days, the only way to pwn was to compare cock sizes. WHAT?!


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:46 PM
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Would you like to play a game Professor Falken?

Yes. Let's play global thermonuclear war dance dance revolution.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:51 PM
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How about a nice game of grow up to have sex with Sarah Jessica Parker?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:53 PM
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Becks, that is totally pwsome. You ought to buy yourself this shirt (inexact though it may be).

These tokens of nerd-cred are important. The thing I miss about my old job the most is my phone extension -- purely by accident, it was 1337. And our login names went last name + first initial. Yeah, that was pretty great.


Posted by: tom | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:54 PM
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The only winning move...is not to play! I suspect that applies to this thread as well.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 9:54 PM
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Fuck you all. I invented the internet.


Posted by: Al Gore | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 10:07 PM
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the other winning move is to build a robot pterodactyl.


Posted by: matty | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 10:13 PM
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Tom, that's hilarious. It almost would have been worth keeping the job for that. Almost.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 10:16 PM
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And I just realized I am totally showing my age in this thread - I just googlefought 31337 vs. 1337 and 31337 got crushed. Back in my day, we typed the extra digit and we liked it!


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 10:19 PM
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"OT, but someone has started a Rocket racing league."

You can't troll me that easily.

"Hopefully, I can relax and enjoy some quiet now. Once I gag Gary and stuff him in the janitor's closet, that is."

Careful, or I'll talk about my sex life again.

"How about a nice game of grow up to have sex with Sarah Jessica Parker?"

But first Helen Hunt.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 10:29 PM
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"How about a nice game of grow up to have sex with Sarah Jessica Parker?"

But first Helen Hunt.

Emphatically. Sarah Jessica Parker? Yuck.


Posted by: Frederick | Link to this comment | 02- 2-06 11:56 PM
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Zeros! You had zeros?


Posted by: Andrew Brown | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 12:01 AM
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Remember, remember, eternal september

AOL, Usenet, and plot!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 12:16 AM
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I remember trying to program in pearl. It took forever for the damn oysters to compile.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 2:43 AM
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Helen fucking Hunt? are you guys kidding me? not like I want to fuck SJP all that bad, but Helen Hunt is one of the 20 most annoying people of all time. she's Meg Ryan annoying.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 3:03 AM
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SJP has such a wonderfully large face.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 5:39 AM
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I never quite got my head around this whole "spelling with numbers" thingy. Is 31337 code for "Elite"? anad 1337 the same word but with a virtual apostrophe replacing the initial 'E'?


Posted by: Jeremy Osner | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 5:55 AM
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Sarah Jessica Parker


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 6:25 AM
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63: In fairness to SJP, dude looks like a lady.


Posted by: Matt #3 | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 7:50 AM
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Becks, as Sarah Jessica Parker's lone defender I must say, that is one unattractive picture.

Maybe we should add Sarah Jessica Parker to the FAQ.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 7:53 AM
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We could give her an 'About' page.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 7:56 AM
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scripting languages are to text files what c and fortran are to math.


Posted by: tweedledopey | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:08 AM
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Matthew Broderick had sex with Helen Hunt? I did not know that.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:14 AM
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I am completely unable to divorce SJP from her character on SATC. As someone who wants to smack girls who act that way in the face, that makes me hard to appreciate her.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:17 AM
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i always thought broderick was teh gay.


Posted by: matty | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:19 AM
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Could be, matty.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:21 AM
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he set off ye olde gaydar when i saw him strolling around a while back.

his kid is most definitely teh cute, though.


Posted by: matty | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:26 AM
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69: You and Wing Chun both, Becks. (Also applies to 71.)


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:26 AM
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69: "that makes me hard to appreciate her"

Is there something you haven't been telling us, Becks?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:28 AM
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Gosh, no one has answered Osner's 62 yet. It's like this: the numbers are code for their alphabetical position. In "31337" 3 is 'c', 1 is 'a', 33 = 10 + 9 + 14 = 'jin', and 7 = 'g'. It's 'ca-jing,' a distorted version of 'ka-ching', signifying that the programmer is money.

"1337" is of course m-e-g, which is either an ironic holdover from the days when a meg of RAM was impressive or the ravings of an inexplicable Meg Ryan fan. The resemblance to 31337 is a mere coincidence.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:34 AM
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Wing Chun is awesome. I saw her in a panel discussion a while back and felt in the presence of blogebrity.

74 - I reread that at least 10 times before I saw my error - s/b "makes it hard for me to appreciate her". More coffee!


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:41 AM
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That would be easily twice as plausible (but remember rules about multiplying by zero) if "e" was the third letter of the alphabet. Also.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:42 AM
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4r15t0tl3 s4yz th4t m1sl34d1ng n00bz ab0ut t3h n4tur3 of 1337 iZ as gh3y a5 teh F0rmz. wtf!!!1!!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:44 AM
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AT some point, SJP got all skinny and pointy-nosed (I don't know how starving yourself can change your nose structure, but for her it did - or the dumbest rhinoplasty ever). But she was cute - if not teh hott - before SATC.

Oh, and as someone who's been on both sides of the blue collar/student divide (although only one side of the racial divide), I think ogged was wrong - it's something one hard laborer will say to another, and I don't think it's out of bounds for a student to say it. Maybe if the other student is some ultra-prep walking stereotype, I guess....


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:46 AM
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I don't think she got pointy-nosed as much as it was the different hair color and makeup.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:48 AM
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Hey speaking of rhinoplasty -- go visit this link. Scroll down about a third of the way to the paragraph that begins, "A series of internal injections to the septum". And read for a little while. I think you'll enjoy it.


Posted by: Jeremy Osner | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 8:54 AM
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re sjp:

http://thighswideshut.org/2006/02/thighs-wide-content.html

this could explain it all.


Posted by: matty | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 9:48 AM
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DEEDEEDEEDOODOODOOawwwwwwWEEawwwwwww, bitchez! is the new " 'sup? ".


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 10:49 AM
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"Matthew Broderick had sex with Helen Hunt? I did not know that. "

They were flinging pre-SJP and MB. Sometimes I notice these things. I seem to recall that both women flang with JFK, Jr., too. They were also friends since Girls Just Want To Have Fun, though I have no clue about later years.

I doubt MB is gay; sometimes people just have mannerisms, you know; especially in the thee-ay-tah. I recall an interview with SJP, who tends to blurt, about how she really didn't care all that much for sex pre-MB, but MB was "wonderful!" It was on tv, and if it was acting, she certainly was doing a good job of blurting and looking embarassed immediately, which is obviously entirely possible, but not my first theory. Of course, as the Gore Vidal quote on the sidebar 'o me blog says, "sex is a continuum."

Alameida, if Helen Hunt ever makes a pass at you, you can pass her along to me. Tastes differ. Feel free to give my your list, so I'll know whom to pass along to you in turn, after I become a Hollywood Sex Symbol.

SJP was cuter in LA Story days. (A movie I recall with fondness, though haven't seen it in a bunch of years. Getcher own IMDB link.)


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:02 AM
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SJP is extremely attractive, actually. So there.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:18 AM
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Stop trolling, B.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:23 AM
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Am torn between saying that not trolling would require me to change my entire approach to this blog, and whining about how you just can't handle having anyone disagree with you.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:35 AM
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That's because I'm always right.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:40 AM
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You and me both, baby.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:44 AM
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See? We agree! Time for the make-up sex.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:48 AM
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Exactly what I was thinking!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:50 AM
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I doubt MB is gay

A gay friend of mine claims to have slept with him. He play some other friends an answering machine message from MB, as proof. I did not hear it myself.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:50 AM
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play s/b played


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:51 AM
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Well, to smack SJP's large face properly, Becks would need at least four slaps. A single slap would just get lost there.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 4:48 PM
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re 54: I doubt MB is gay; sometimes people just have mannerisms, you know; especially in the thee-ay-tah. I recall an interview with SJP, who tends to blurt, about how she really didn't care all that much for sex pre-MB, but MB was "wonderful!" It was on tv, and if it was acting, she certainly was doing a good job of blurting and looking embarassed immediately, which is obviously entirely possible, but not my first theory. Of course, as the Gore Vidal quote on the sidebar 'o me blog says, "sex is a continuum."

it could be that until MB she never had a nice beard to allow her to play the proverbial "field" in whatever way turns out to float her proverbial "boat."


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 4:54 PM
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95 wuz me. figures i'd manage to lose my name the first time i siccessfully used an html tag. now if only i could figure out how to do a strike-out, which evil blogger denies me.


Posted by: matty | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 4:56 PM
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<strike> and </strike>

gets you

and


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 4:58 PM
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But <persuasive> and <amusing> don't seem to work. Bad syntax?


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 02- 3-06 11:37 PM
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I've always found this handy and helpful, since I'm basically illiterate in HTML save for under ten tags or so.

Strike doesn't work in some places.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 1:52 AM
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Nice link, Gary. Relatedly, I just found this page with special characters (people have linked something similar before), though it doesn't seem to have the not-equals sign people were using. I often have trouble seeing the heart, but it's working now: ♥

The other suit symbols are broken though.

(Refraining from putting all the special characters into this comment.)


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 1:55 PM
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Decacommentus nomoria!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 2:05 PM
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Centicommentus.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 2:06 PM
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≠ can be found in this list, which is ⊄ of the one linked in 102.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 2:51 PM
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I think we've covered the topic of HTML in &spades now.


Posted by: bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 2:55 PM
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!= &ne &ne


Posted by: bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02- 4-06 2:57 PM
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I don't actually know the difference, but != doesn't require any çpecial characters.


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