Re: On Record

1

I saw Simon Cowell on the Today show this morning and he said Tyler was, at a minimum, guaranteed to be in the top 2.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 7:52 AM
horizontal rule
2

That's totally true, except that his name is Taylor. I've held back from saying he'll win until now because the show is so obviously boosting Chris, and because I couldn't be sure my fandom was obscuring my view of reality. But at this point I'd put money on him winning.

Yay, America!


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 7:56 AM
horizontal rule
3

Who? The next what?


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:02 AM
horizontal rule
4

Trevor woo hook 'em!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:04 AM
horizontal rule
5

Gah, I knew his name was Taylor. I swear I left my brain at home today.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:13 AM
horizontal rule
6

It's great, because I like my American Idol to constantly shimmy for the cheap seats and mug like a perfect asshole.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:14 AM
horizontal rule
7

And I meant to say "wasn't obscuring." I save up all my brainpower to shore up my awesome Idol prediction powers.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:16 AM
horizontal rule
8

Taylor Hicks is totally gay.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:27 AM
horizontal rule
9

Better that than screaming into the camera with his dead, black eyes: "Tell me, have you ever really really ever loved a woman? Because if not, I'll gnaw out your liver." And better still than imagining yourself as a Mariahlike diva, while cleavage and melisma are the only things that distract the masses from your utter inability sing on-key in your upper register.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:27 AM
horizontal rule
10

9 to 6.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:29 AM
horizontal rule
11

It's great, because I like my American Idol to constantly shimmy for the cheap seats and mug like a perfect asshole.

As a hater of all things American Idol, that comment warms my heart.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:31 AM
horizontal rule
12

But that comment didn't come from an AI hater. It came from an AI lover who's bitter that America doesn't share his elitist, latte sipping Chris and Kat fandom.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:36 AM
horizontal rule
13

Yeah, but I'll take what I can get. Thank God I have no idea who Chris and Kat are.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:42 AM
horizontal rule
14

I've only caught the show twice, but Katharine didn't stay on pitch on either of them. And it's wasn't the high parts, either, and my ear is several years out of tune. She's pretty, but I thought it was supposed to be a singing competition.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:54 AM
horizontal rule
15

14: Not that it changes anything, but the most marketable voice does not always equal the best voice.


Posted by: Sam K | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:56 AM
horizontal rule
16

I actually have $10 riding on Elliot, from almost 3 months ago, before it became so obvious that he can't dance.


Posted by: Sam K | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:58 AM
horizontal rule
17

It's not really a singing competion; it's a performing competition/popularity contest. Nevertheless, Katharine's pitch problems are serious and frequent enough that lookin' purty is not going to save her in the end.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:00 AM
horizontal rule
18

Your mom. That goes for everyone.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:02 AM
horizontal rule
19

(Further, it's a popularity contest whose results are heavily manipulated by the producers in an effort to control the image of the show, though I think, try as they might, they just can't stop Taylor.)


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:03 AM
horizontal rule
20

And why the hate on lattes? Lattes are tasty damnit.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:15 AM
horizontal rule
21

It is pretty heavily manipulated. Doesn't it always seem that someone has a 'moment' just when they need it?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:22 AM
horizontal rule
22

(Further, it's a popularity contest whose results are heavily manipulated by the producers in an effort to control the image of the show, though I think, try as they might, they just can't stop Taylor.)

What makes you think they aren't manipulating things to make it seem as if he's going to win despite their manipulations?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:28 AM
horizontal rule
23

Ben just blew my mind.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:32 AM
horizontal rule
24

Ben just blew me.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:34 AM
horizontal rule
25

Because I think they think he is unmarketable; he doesn't seem to them like an a good ambassador for the show, because he's not current.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:35 AM
horizontal rule
26

25 to 22. I don't know why Ben blew Apo.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:36 AM
horizontal rule
27

I'm trying to butch it up.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:39 AM
horizontal rule
28

I don't know why Ben blew Apo.

Sure you do.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 9:53 AM
horizontal rule
29

Ben, in my experience blowing Apo doesn't really up your butch cred. You'd be way better off buggering him, like the rest of us do.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 10:25 AM
horizontal rule
30

in my experience

!!


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 11:52 AM
horizontal rule
31

I guess the secret's out now. Getting blown by B totally ups your butch cred, FWIW.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 11:57 AM
horizontal rule
32

Yes, because I am the ne plus ultra of femininity, don'tcha know.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 12:02 PM
horizontal rule
33

Jesus, have you Magnetic Fields fans heard about this ridiculousness?


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 12:44 PM
horizontal rule
34

Joe, the thing you have to remember about that is that SF/J (or S/FJ or whatever) is a silly git.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 12:54 PM
horizontal rule
35

I know, I know, but dude.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 12:55 PM
horizontal rule
36

I will admit that I keep a closer eye on people who loudly declare that they don't like any hip hop. Lambasting publicly them as racists, however, is a special kind of obnoxious.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:02 PM
horizontal rule
37

I think that much about a person's racism, or lack thereof, can be gleaned from their favorite American Idol contestant. Have I mentioned how much I miss Paris Bennett?


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:09 PM
horizontal rule
38

But J/M, Merritt even said he likes early hip hop.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:12 PM
horizontal rule
39

Wow, what a weird article. So noting that some hip-hop plays into several racist stereotypes is racist? Well, okay then, but I've heard that criticism from a black newspaper columnist.

I'm not much of a hip-hop fan for the same reason I'm not a country/western fan or a folk music fan. It's the audial equivalent of playing dress-up.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:21 PM
horizontal rule
40

Liking two years of early hip hop is better than nothing.

A categorical refusal to listen to hip hop is, to me, just a little suspect. Maybe you get away with it if you're over 40 and can claim the "you young people listen to noise and get off my lawn!" excuse.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:23 PM
horizontal rule
41

Or, you're ensconsed in your own musical world. I know a lot of young theater folk who listen to nothing but show tunes. These people are in their twenties.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:26 PM
horizontal rule
42

They're very young and very old hat. Everybody has to go through stages like that.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:28 PM
horizontal rule
43

Tia hates black people.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:29 PM
horizontal rule
44

I mean, will the real Slim Shady please stand up?


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:30 PM
horizontal rule
45

Oh, wait.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:31 PM
horizontal rule
46

I'm not much of a hip-hop fan for the same reason I'm not a country/western fan or a folk music fan. It's the audial equivalent of playing dress-up.

???


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:34 PM
horizontal rule
47

I wasn't going to touch that one either.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:35 PM
horizontal rule
48

Only rock music will be played under the restored Calaphate!


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:37 PM
horizontal rule
49

It's the audial equivalent of playing dress-up.

That's why I only listen to nature sounds and radio static.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:40 PM
horizontal rule
50

I think Cala means listening to those genres would be like assuming inauthentic identity.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:42 PM
horizontal rule
51

I knew a guy who was actually a space alien. He had space-alien thoughts: that's how I knew. Once tried to argue at length that jazz wasn't music because "they're just making it up". He was wearing that green sweater he always wore. I think it reminded him of space.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:45 PM
horizontal rule
52

Cala can avoid the authenticity problem by listening to underground hip-hop, or as I like to call it, "hip-hop for pretentious white people."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:46 PM
horizontal rule
53

I don't mean much except that I like smidgens of most music, but getting into country-western or hip-hop or folk music would feel very inauthentic to me because it's not something I run across every day. What do I know about cowboy boots or chasing horses or growing up black or faerie-round-the-fey renaissance festival?

There's something weird about me, about as boring as possible, mooning about where all the cowboys have gone, is all I'm saying.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:48 PM
horizontal rule
54

53: That would make more sense if you were saying you didn't perform that music.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:50 PM
horizontal rule
55

Does that mean I'm stuck with hymns? Fuck, that really sucks.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:53 PM
horizontal rule
56

No, I think Cala's right; there is potentially something weird about getting seriously involved in listening to music that comes from a very different social milieu than your own. There's something, I don't know, exploitative about taking elements of someone else's identity and grafting them onto your own. Not that you can't listen to exotic music in a casual way, it's just when you get sort of obsessed with it that the problems start.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:54 PM
horizontal rule
57

when you get sort of obsessed with it that the problems start

But that statement holds true no matter what we're talking about, right? I mean, why doesn't that logic hold for Bach or Dostoevsky? 18c Austria and 19c Russia are both pretty far removed from my social milieu, but nobody would consider it dress-up to be deeply into one or the other.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 1:59 PM
horizontal rule
58

I'd be stuck with Gregorian chants and bubblegum pop.

What teofilo says in 56. I would feel uncomfortable identifying myself as a fan of something so far outside my background that it's like I think subcultures are something you just buy and put in your iPod.

(I should probably point out I'm not a serious music fan, and I listen to whatever I run across, not really identifying as a fan of any genre.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:01 PM
horizontal rule
59

exotic music

Double plus what?


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:03 PM
horizontal rule
60

I had to stop singing Bach because Lutherans didn't appreciate my getting all up in that bitch.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:03 PM
horizontal rule
61

18c Austria and 19c Russia are both pretty far removed from my social milieu, but nobody would consider it dress-up to be deeply into one or the other.

Actually, I think I would consider it dress-up to be deeply into those things, but you may be using a different value for "deeply."

(I should probably point out I'm not a serious music fan, and I listen to whatever I run across, not really identifying as a fan of any genre.)

Me too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:04 PM
horizontal rule
62

Bridgeplate is my homeboy.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:05 PM
horizontal rule
63

I don't listen to music because musicians are outside of my social milieu.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:05 PM
horizontal rule
64

By "exotic music" I just mean music that comes from a different social context from your own. For Cala, hip-hop is exotic; for someone who grew up in the 'hood, it isn't (but, say, punk rock is).


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:06 PM
horizontal rule
65

Dude, it's 18th-century Germany.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:06 PM
horizontal rule
66

There was no 18th-century Germany. How dare you impose your post-unification terms on the exotic, 18th century other?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:09 PM
horizontal rule
67

I think pop music's a different category, apo, because it's supposed to speak to your immediate experience in addition to being aesthetically enjoyable.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:09 PM
horizontal rule
68

That's kind of you, Jizzoe.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:10 PM
horizontal rule
69

Sacred music was supposed to speak to one's immediate experience. That hasn't prevented UNBELIEVERS from enjoying it.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:12 PM
horizontal rule
70

This conversation is full of all kinds of crazy.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:15 PM
horizontal rule
71

That's a good point, eb. Where did the Saxons and Prussians get off pretending to understand Bach's Thueringian mystery?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:16 PM
horizontal rule
72

No, but an unbeliever who dressed up as a monk because like, he got in touch with his spirtual side after hearing Handel's Messiah would be a bit weird.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:16 PM
horizontal rule
73

I just listened to one, and am currently listening to another, album made before I was born! I am so out of my milieu! And rockist, if I understand the term correctly.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:16 PM
horizontal rule
74

Bach's genius was to design his concertos to gather instantaneous must and irrelevancy as soon as bow touched string, thus making them available for everyone to enjoy.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:17 PM
horizontal rule
75

The thing about most rock is, if you haven't done heroin, you just don't know.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
76

I think Cala and I are talking about a level of identification with music that goes well beyond ordinary aesthetic appreciation, which may explain why people don't seem to be getting what we're saying.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
77

Dude, you're at, like, a whole other level!

Teach me to fly.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:20 PM
horizontal rule
78

65: Obviously, I'm not deeply into Bach.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:21 PM
horizontal rule
79

Inject me, Joe. I'm ready.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:21 PM
horizontal rule
80

hip-hop for pretentious white people

A couple of months ago, my roommate was teaching some kind of class* at the boys club in Harlem. Besides learning new ways to call people cracker, at one point one of his students said, "I bet you like Talib Kweli, Common, [I forget what else, there were at least two more]." And my roommate said, "how do you know?"
And his student said, "That's white people rap." True story.

*I really don't know what the class was, maybe partially SAT prep, but I don't think that was all, or even most of it.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:21 PM
horizontal rule
81

exotic music

The sitar is usually a dead giveaway.

No, but an unbeliever who dressed up as a monk because like, he got in touch with his spirtual side after hearing Handel's Messiah would be a bit weird.

That's because the Messiah isn't all that. And, St. Paul would like a word with you sans bat.

Bach's genius was to design his concertos to gather instantaneous must and irrelevancy

Sufjan, now Bach? Do you even like music?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:22 PM
horizontal rule
82

The thing about most rock is, if you haven't done heroin, you just don't know.

Dude, rock is made of cocaine.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:22 PM
horizontal rule
83

getting into country-western or hip-hop or folk music would feel very inauthentic to me because it's not something I run across every day

Could it just be that these genres don't particularly appeal to you? And therefore any attempt to get into them would be more of a conscious "In order to be a well-rounded person, I really ought to learn more about genre x," (which would indeed be inauthentic) than a heartfelt "Ooh! I like that! Where can I find more of that!"


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:24 PM
horizontal rule
84

Inject me, Joe. I'm ready.

Tia, it's been my understanding that my script for our "doctor game" would remain private.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:24 PM
horizontal rule
85

74: I now understand the Taylor Hicks thing.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:25 PM
horizontal rule
86

Lost my background,
What'll I do?
Skip a milieu, my darlin'.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:26 PM
horizontal rule
87

75 helps me understand Taylor Hicks, too.


Posted by: Sam K | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:27 PM
horizontal rule
88

I don't mean that everyone should only stay with the culture they have or grew up in when buying music. Because that's pretty retarded and impossible, to boot.

Just that there's something weird about a rich white kid so into hip-hop that he thinks he understands what it's like to grow up in the ghetto, or because he reads some manga and drinks green tea that he's a real otaku and understands the soul of the samurai, or if he's into 'Kabalah' and thinks you do it by wearing beads.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:28 PM
horizontal rule
89

Ok, but that's not about not liking music, that's just about not liking douchebags.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:29 PM
horizontal rule
90

It's a gift that Bach was so clever, for he is now available for me to enjoy without posing! Though even if Bach had lacked this element of genius, we would perhaps be safe if we made sure to sell some indulgences every time we listened.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:29 PM
horizontal rule
91

I think Cala and I are talking about a level of identification with music that goes well beyond ordinary aesthetic appreciation

Oh, you mean wiggers.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:29 PM
horizontal rule
92

Seriously, have you people never known middle-class white kids who get way, way, way into hip-hop and start dressing and acting like the rappers they listen to? That's the kind of identification I'm talking about. Country is trendy right now, so you get some of the same kind of behavior, but not to quite the same degree.

(On preview, what Cala said in 88.)


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:30 PM
horizontal rule
93

Lu, lu,
skip a millieu
lu, lu
skip a millieu!

eb, that pwns, and it's now stuck in my head.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:33 PM
horizontal rule
94

that's not about not liking music, that's just about not liking douchebags.

Joe, I thought we agreed that the script for our "doctor game" would remain private.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:33 PM
horizontal rule
95

Yes, but 39 just says "fan".


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:34 PM
horizontal rule
96

Get off my beads.


Posted by: Samurai Wigger | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:34 PM
horizontal rule
97

I said liking, not licking.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:34 PM
horizontal rule
98

JM's "categorical refusal to listen to hip-hop arouses suspicion" is 1. not the same thing as "disliking hip-hop arouses suspicion" and 2. itself suspicious.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:34 PM
horizontal rule
99

95 posted before reading 93. I withdraw my nitpick.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:36 PM
horizontal rule
100

Part of the issue here could be that people who aren't that into music generally (like, say, me) tend to identify types of music more with the kinds of people who listen to them and less with the inherent aesthetic qualities of the music itself, whereas for people who really like music (like, say, everyone in this thread except me and Cala, apparently) it's the other way around.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:36 PM
horizontal rule
101

95: Fair enough. It comes across a lot stronger than I intended -- if I were to describe myself as a fan of a musical genre, I'd probably be using the word pretty strongly.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:36 PM
horizontal rule
102

middle-class white kids who get way, way, way into hip-hop and start dressing and acting like the rappers

Okay, maybe you have a point.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:37 PM
horizontal rule
103

Probably because I'm not into music much, lately.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:39 PM
horizontal rule
104

Country is trendy right now?


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:39 PM
horizontal rule
105

This thread has totally blown my mental image of Cala as sporting serious dreadlocks.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:41 PM
horizontal rule
106

I hear the kids are into some fellow named Billy Ray Cyrus.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:41 PM
horizontal rule
107

some fellow named Billy Ray Cyrus

Isn't he the harmonica-playing guy on American Idol?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:42 PM
horizontal rule
108

"Wigger" is deprecated. May I suggest "Kornfeld" as a substitute?


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:42 PM
horizontal rule
109

I probably am less into music than most on this thread; I just don't usually interpret fan, casually said, to be a very strong identification.

Also, the 7 May entry seems relevant.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:43 PM
horizontal rule
110

105: Ahem


Posted by: Sam K | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:44 PM
horizontal rule
111

98: Whereas w-lfs-n is merely generally suspect.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:45 PM
horizontal rule
112

yeah, I rewrote that comment before I posted.. it was something more akin to 'strongly identify as a fan', not just 'listen to and enjoy music.'


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:45 PM
horizontal rule
113

105: Fuck!


Posted by: Sam K | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:45 PM
horizontal rule
114

You just feel the need to project scorn on Taylor, apo, because you know that as a non-SEX GOD you can't really identify with his music.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:46 PM
horizontal rule
115

I might be able to identify with his music, but it's hard for me to say since I've only watched one episode of AI and that was last season.

Just wasn't my milieu.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:48 PM
horizontal rule
116

You find him sexy-sexy? He's a sort of silvery teddybear.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:48 PM
horizontal rule
117

Lyle Lovett's blanket amnesty probably covers n00b country fans, too.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:48 PM
horizontal rule
118

I on the other hand, do not presume anything but the facts in evidence when adjudging myself utterly worthy of Taylor fandom.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:49 PM
horizontal rule
119

I would certainly rather sleep with Taylor than any other American Idol contestant.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:55 PM
horizontal rule
120

What about judges?


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:56 PM
horizontal rule
121

Joe, you LB, some things are private!


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:56 PM
horizontal rule
122

I'm never going to trust you again.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:57 PM
horizontal rule
123

Pardon?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:57 PM
horizontal rule
124

LB = little bastard perhaps?


Posted by: Sam K | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:58 PM
horizontal rule
125

Linebacker. Drymala is the true renaissance man.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:59 PM
horizontal rule
126

Heh.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:59 PM
horizontal rule
127

You are a different kind of LB, LB.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 2:59 PM
horizontal rule
128

Tia, WMYBSALBA?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:00 PM
horizontal rule
129

18 Your mom. That goes for everyone.

Even ogged?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:15 PM
horizontal rule
130

Ogged's mom goes for everyone.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:19 PM
horizontal rule
131

Maybe you get away with it if you're over 40 and can claim the "you young people listen to noise and get off my lawn!" excuse.

Here's what those people listen to.


Posted by: P/mp M/lls | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:20 PM
horizontal rule
132

>I think Cala's right; there is potentially something weird about getting seriously involved in listening to music that comes from a very different social milieu than your own.

I strongly disagree. Music is music. If you like hip-hop you should listen to hip-hop; if you like show tunes you should listen to show tunes. Plus, social milieu's don't produce music, people do.

Here is a stupid Slate article about Bob Marley.


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:26 PM
horizontal rule
133

Dude, it's "milieux."


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:28 PM
horizontal rule
134

I'm banning myself now.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:28 PM
horizontal rule
135

Ogged's mom has cancer, asshole.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:31 PM
horizontal rule
136

Uh, and this. Maybe it would be better to clock out for the day.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:36 PM
horizontal rule
137

135: No, you misread the post. (Not that I didn't do the same.) Ogged's mom is AFAIK fine.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:40 PM
horizontal rule
138

137: No, I was playing off that misreading, and, uh, Ogged's cancer. No worries, I'll ban myself on my way out.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:42 PM
horizontal rule
139

135 made me laugh out loud. So did the comment linked in 136.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:43 PM
horizontal rule
140

This is going to be the best in-joke ever, I can feel it.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:52 PM
horizontal rule
141

As in: "Is he dating anyone?"

"Not for awhile. In fact, he's just 'lost a kidney', IIKWIM."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 3:59 PM
horizontal rule
142

We can all only aspire to Ogged's level of commitment to this site. The lengths he'll go for blog fodder.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 4:11 PM
horizontal rule
143

I know, this totally ups the ante.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 4:30 PM
horizontal rule
144

first google hit for "saddest story ever told"
second google hit for "saddest story ever told"

I think that it is just a coincidence.


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 4:30 PM
horizontal rule
145

If the blog really needs it, I think someone should volunteer to get pregnant and accidentally break their water with a vibrator. Apo?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 4:34 PM
horizontal rule
146

144: Wow, that second one is so funky.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 4:37 PM
horizontal rule
147

A woman I know came out as a lesbian after developing an obsession with Shania Twain. I think I was more surprised by the admission that she listened to country.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 4:56 PM
horizontal rule
148

this totally ups the ante.

Sure does, Mr. Wussy Colonoscopy.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 5:06 PM
horizontal rule
149

Speaking of vibrators.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 5:14 PM
horizontal rule
150

Apo?

I'm afraid the best I could do is break somebody else's water with a vibrator.

But I'm willing to do my part.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 5:24 PM
horizontal rule
151

I keep a closer eye on people who loudly declare that they don't like any hip hop.

It's more disappointment for me. I'm always disappointed in music fans (not people like Cala or teofilo) who declare their uninterest in hip hop. I'm loathe to accuse them of racism, because that frequently isn't the case, but it does point to a sort of dull incuriousness. But I also feel the same way about pop. I don't care if you're uninterested in Rihanna, but I might roll my eyes if I hear remarks about "commercialized pap." I don't at all agree that there's anything weird about trying to engage with music that's totally out of your own social milieu. Music is largely a performance art to start with and performatively I can be a cowboy as easily as I can be a blue grass hillbilly or a rock 'n roller or a bhangra DJ. It's all about the sounds; and it's all make-believe, anyway.

I'm not a huge fan of Merritt--I think he's something of a pompous ass. But I think he was unfairly maligned at the EMP conference. A few bloggers took offhand comments he made at a panel discussion and turned them into a racist tirade. That's not cool. For anyone who cares, this discussion includes eye-witness accounts of the event.


Posted by: Paul | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:01 PM
horizontal rule
152

Ok, I've unbanned myself.

My earlier comment really arises out of my experience with a fairly successful local-circuit DJ I used to know quite well who in his collection of thousands of electronic albums had almost no music that could described as being influenced by African-American music. Even the house stuff seemed to be filtered through Belgium. I thought "huh, it's too bad he's missing out on this great music" until he matter-of-factly dropped a few horrifically racist comments into casual conversation. More than once.

But that's a stark instance of someone who was serious about music, pretended to be eclectic and wasn't, and who actually held a lot of latent of latent racism: a single, weird case that I shouldn't generalize too much.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-10-06 8:26 PM
horizontal rule
153

152: I'll bet he had a wicked extended dance remix of "The Saddest Story Ever Told".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 05-11-06 8:20 AM
horizontal rule
154

(the one from the second link, that is)


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 05-11-06 8:21 AM
horizontal rule
155

There was some horseshit on the news this morning about someone getting voted off the Idol. Was it Taylor? Why no update, Tia? How else are we supposed to learn about these things??


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 05-11-06 11:18 AM
horizontal rule