Re: The Syd Barrett Memorial Home For Difficult Pop Geniuses

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which I highly recommend to everyone except Ben, because he's too cool to like it

You made me do it.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 10:19 AM
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w00t! I retract my preemptive stop-being-such-a-little-bitchery.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 10:24 AM
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So would it look anything like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends?


Posted by: Lex | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 10:47 AM
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So would it look anything like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends?


Maybe more like "the fletcher memorial
home for incurable tyrants and kings" ?
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/thefletchermemorialhome.html



Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 11:48 AM
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Surely someone from the Incredible String Band needs to get help at the SBMHDPG as well, if only CBT for the acid flashbacks.

They'll be able to pay, too, if you keep making me go to Amazon and buy their re-released albums on cd.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 12:26 PM
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The ISB freak is me--firefox keeps deleting my info no matter how many times I tell it to save. I'll be having my own little flashback.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 12:29 PM
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Get your filthy hands off my acid!


Posted by: Scott Lemieux | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 12:38 PM
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Tia is teh coolest!


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 12:49 PM
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7: hey man, it's like, it's like a gift, you know, from like the gods, so like it should belong to everyone, you know?


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 1:03 PM
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Anybody else seen Dig. Anton Newcombe belongs, tho he is not not a gentle and fragile soul like Barrett or Peter Green.

I mourn Syd. I don't know if Piper is a top ten all-time, there are a lot of great albums. But it is still interesting, much more interesting than The Doors or Surrealistic Pillow.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 1:26 PM
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Harry Nilsson(dead of drink at 53) Judee Sill, Dory Previn, Roky Eriksson, Elliot Smith, the list may not be endless, but certainly long. And then there are the artists who make one or two great records, and disappear. Vashti Bunyan may be known, Anne Briggs, an even longer list. Unrecognized in their lifetimes, Nick Drake, Eva Cassidy. Would there be similar lists for painters and writers? Casualties and MIA's?

Kids don't count, I don't think they are accomplishments or achievements To create something of such value as Piper is a rare thing. Or not.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 1:56 PM
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Yeah, but Vashti came back! So all you need to do is live on a farm for a couple of decades....


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 2:06 PM
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Vincent van Gogh, naturally. Amedeo Modigliani, Franz Marc, Arshile Gorky, Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko. tons of people I forget. Alice Neel?


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 2:07 PM
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I love Aeroplane Over the Sea so fricking much.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 8:34 PM
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will there be a place for Roky Erikson in this home?

Not to mention Alex Chilton


Posted by: TomF | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 8:51 PM
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I'm very happy to report that Mr. Erikson is doing just fine these days. By which I mean roking out.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-11-06 10:36 PM
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But I ♥ Sufjan Stevens!

I saw the Incredible String Band (or parts thereof) on tour about two years ago. It was pretty disappointing.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 2:25 AM
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the Incredible String Band hasn't been at its best since about 1972.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 7:47 AM
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The Incredible String Band hasn't even had Robin Williamson in it for the last five or six years. I don't see the point.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 7:58 AM
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Sufjan fix.


Posted by: hermit greg | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 8:05 AM
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The thing I find interesting about alam's assertion that BW would be too cool for SS is that SS is precisely designed to appeal to elevated hyper indie tastes. One marks one's musical cool by saying one likes Sufjan.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 8:07 AM
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The Incredible String Band hasn't even had Robin Williamson in it for the last five or six years. I don't see the point.

They did have Clive Wossname along and he sang some nice tunes accompanied by himself on banjo that I liked. The problem was mostly in the form of a ponytailed dude who played wanky smooooooth solos.

Also, Tia, I don't have "elevated hyper indie tastes". I have faultless avant-garde tastes that still retain a connection to popular forms. And surely he (=SS) isn't so cynical as to have "designed" his music to appeal to such tastes? I mean, who would have anticipated that Reichian songs about Jesus would be the next big thing?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 11:48 AM
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I have faultless avant-garde tastes that still retain a connection to popular forms.

Like those of Faith No More?


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 11:54 AM
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I told you that you were a hipster.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 11:55 AM
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Although, actually, you are right and Tia is wrong. Tia, I try to be cool, but all that stuff the kids like except Sufjan just leaves me cold. And I am definitely a pretentious avant-garde wanker rather than a pretentious indie twit.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 11:56 AM
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Fine, Ben, I didn't mean to suggest that SS was calculating, only that his music would appeal to the musical cooler than thou. Posit a metaphorical designer, external to you or Sufjan, to understand my comment. Whatever the proper description to encompass you and the prototypical Sufjan fan, my point stands.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 11:57 AM
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Exactly.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 11:57 AM
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Wait, why are you linking to that?


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:00 PM
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Although, actually, you are right and Tia is wrong. Tia, I try to be cool, but all that stuff the kids like except Sufjan just leaves me cold. And I am definitely a pretentious avant-garde wanker rather than a pretentious indie twit.

Relevance, hmm? It is not that you all don't genuinely like SS. It is that it is impossible to be too cool to like Sufjan Stevens, because he is the peak of hipsterish cool just now.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:00 PM
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he is the peak of hipsterish cool

We must defer on this to the person who lives in Brooklyn.

Seriously, though, that makes it easy to be too cool to like him. Much more cool than the person who writes "Sufjan Stevens is a genius" is the one who writes "Sufjan Stevens is a poser who does nothing that wasn't done more simply and directly and with less fanfare by the Eagles."


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:08 PM
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he is the peak of hipsterish cool

If he really were the peak of hipsterish cool, neither I nor my friends would know who he was.


Posted by: dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:10 PM
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Don't you also live in Brooklyn?


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:14 PM
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I do. Not Williamsburg, though. They won't even let me into Williamsburg.


Posted by: dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:17 PM
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I first heard Sufjan Stevens on a Lubbock radio station. But a very hipsterish Lubbock radio station.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:19 PM
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There you go.


Posted by: dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:21 PM
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A Case Against Sufjan Stevens


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:21 PM
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FYI, folks:

"826NYC and The Bowery Presents present REVENGE OF THE BOOK-EATERS, a star-studded night featuring some of today's most recognized names in indie-rock, literature, and comedy, including SUFJAN STEVENS (in a rare solo acoustic performance), JON STEWART (in an equally-as-rare stand-up performance), DAVE EGGERS (best-selling author of A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius), SARAH VOWELL (best-selling author and This American Life contributor), JOHN HODGMAN (Daily Show regular and author of The Areas of My Expertise) and JOHN RODERICK (songwriter and frontman for The Long Winters) in an evening that promises once and for all to settle the debate: words or music - which is better?"


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 12:22 PM
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Whoever it is that likes Musorgsky here, I have something up on my site.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 3:39 PM
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Labs used to like Mussorgsky, but grew out of it.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 3:52 PM
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I like Mussorgsky, you snots. And I've never heard of Sufjan Stevens, although I suppose it's possible that I have heard him.

Also, Ben is totally a hipster.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:12 PM
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Late, but I agree with da's assessment. I am pretty indie, but not by any stretch "peak of hipsterish cool," and I both know and love Sufjan Stevens. Peak of hipsterish cool is shit no one has ever heard of and that most people (including me) would be baffled by, like about 80% of what ben plays on his radio show.

I think most of the avant-garde wanksters I used to know in college would and are probably scoffing at Sufjan right now.


Posted by: silvana | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:14 PM
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Also, Weiner, I totally 100% changed my mind from that time you and I decided that I didn't and wouldn't like Seven Swans.

I don't know what I was thinking before.


Posted by: silvana | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:15 PM
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I think you all are confusing "hipster cool" with "hipster doofus." w-lfs-n is neither.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:22 PM
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I've never heard of Sufjan Stevens

Do you even read this blog?

McManus is clearly the peak of hipsterish cool. (Comment 24. The method for making Safari-compatible links doesn't work in Safari. Or it doesn't work on some threads. Anyway, when I click on "link to this comment" it redirects me.)


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:23 PM
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BTW, "Musorgsky" is the accepted spelling now. It finishes third in the Google wars, even behind the French spelling "Moussorgski", but right it right.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:23 PM
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My linking issues have spread to my URL box. That's not an impersonation, sorry.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:24 PM
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No, w-lfs-n, like Weiner, is an avant-garde wankster.

I, on the other hand, am probably a hipster. Can't help it that I have good taste in music.


Posted by: silvana | Link to this comment | 07-12-06 4:28 PM
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