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Just wait until one of those guys loses his job and marriage over this. Dude's liable to get a visit from a nut with a shotgun.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:13 AM
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Nope, he still deserves whatever he's got coming.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:13 AM
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from his myspace: "Andy Kaufman. He's probably the only other person who really "got it" and I'd love to have someone to talk to at that level."


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:16 AM
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Isn't the refusal to allow so-called "excuse" making itself a form of black & white thinking?

Don't I seem quite into the rhetorical questions tonight? I blame the beer.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:24 AM
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Ogged said he's getting interviewed by the NY Times? This is getting too big. Remember that Jenny Jones "Gay Crush" fiasco?

I am increasingly getting a bad feeling about this.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:26 AM
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Oh my. He's got an account of his kayaking excursion in a "K1 (single person, medium skill)". Dude has absolutely no clue. His video of some major rough-water he-man stuff (aka penny-ante boat wakes) is particularly comical. Nice photos of Portage Bay and the north end of Lake Union, though.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:29 AM
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Yeah, he says, "Just finished my interview with the New York Times." Is it true? Not sure.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:30 AM
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He went kayaking with Paisley.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:33 AM
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Must be a quality man, then. But he still can't paddle for shit.

Actually, reading through his site gives the whole thing a bit more of a two-year-old torches the house vibe, but damn that was a nasty thing to do.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:37 AM
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Their kids are going to be so awesome.


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:52 AM
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I have been looking for a quote for years. I saw it on the frontispiece of a not obscure book. I think it was both in the original Latin, and translated. I thought it was by Augustine. Very radical, and not easy to interpret with an unradical meaning. Something like:

"It is the calm judgement of the world that the person who denies in himself anything that is human in not himself human."


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 2:02 AM
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Perhaps when he has time to read something besides Ayn Rand he might learn something useful.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 3:28 AM
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i've spent 3 beers looking at the 11: quote from bob m., not figuring it out.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 4:31 AM
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I was just hoping someone would recognize it, for a more accurate version;though what I have written is pretty close. Augustine of course helped originate the idea of original sin. Something about recognizing all possible human capacities within our selves.

The R Mildred piece I linked below had a funny joke. Mildred was talking about the universal need to set up heirachies, and how this tendency created all oppression, specifically calling out twisty on her anti-heteronormativity as moral superiority to other feminists. Uh, no offense intended of course.

Black guy, poor guy, and feminist are talking politics. Black guy says: it is all about racism. we must attack Rich White men as the oppressers. Poor guy says: no it is all about capitalism, we must attach rich white men as the oppressors.
Woman says:No, it is all about feminsim, we must attack rich white men as the source of oppression.

Black guy and poor guy look at the feminist and say: Shut up, bitch.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 5:37 AM
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I never saw Twisty as anti-heterowhatever.

All she ever really says is that we have to think about the choices we make in a patriarchy if you strip all her intentionally comical rhetoric away. People getting upset about her saying that for a woman to give a man a bj until she vomits is not a choice made in a vacuum are kind of silly to me. Heaven forbid we accept that many of our actions are in large part determined by societal pressure and try to decide how to negotiate that pressure in ways we can live with.

But apparently blowjobs are sacred rites that may not be questioned if you go by the drama it causes whenever twisty talks about them.


Posted by: winna | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 7:23 AM
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Hilariously, his medical problems require boosting his testosterone levels with Androgel.

Outed perve I'd most like to see beat Jason Fortuny: the huge black man who looks like he's on his way to being Ron Coleman.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 7:29 AM
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14: bob, you're growing more obscure in recent days and weeks. I'm unclear as to whether this means that you need to up you meds or that you're about to be taken unto Heaven, like Elijah.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 7:31 AM
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I.e., this dude. NSFW.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 7:38 AM
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I don't want to rehash the whole blowjob debate again, but unless there's been a new round, I don't think anyone defended being forced to give a blowjob until you vomit. I think the anti-heteronormativity though, is probably from other things on how if you sleep with men, it isn't as a feminist choice as sleeping with other women (because there's nothing at all related to men in our culture about two women getting it on.)

Twisty's usually entertaining, but hard to take seriously if you don't take what she's saying as a joke. Wearing heels is exactly like spitting in the face of every woman that's ever been raped? Only if you really have no idea what you're talking about or the sense of the relative unimportance of fashion and how, indeed, it has nothing to do with insulting rape victims. (Consider: I can choose to wear heels after reflecting about my choices and what they project about me and be okay. Not so much with the spitting in people's faces.)

You may say, oh, so your problem is tone, and that's not really it. It's that her tone means she says things that are false but related to things that are true. So someone else can say "Well, basically, she's saying that wearing heels reinforces cultural norms that portray women as sex objects there for the taking, you just don't like her tone." And it's not that her tone is offensive and I'd agree if she said it nicer. It's that her tone leads her to say ridiculous things.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:21 AM
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The specific reference to twisty in R Mildred's piece, that I certainly may have misinterpreted or mischaaracterized, and hope, if so to correct with direct quotation. No slight or offense was intended.

twisty [[[A feminist gets off the only way a member of an oppressed class can get off: with extreme caution.

In other words, until the psychotic global system of dominance and submission gives way to a sane one that doesn’t fetishize oppression, there is no solution to the buzzkiller political problems inherent in all heterosexual boinking. That’s right. No solution. No happy ending. No scenario wherein prancing in a pink sportcorset can be construed as a politically neutral act. No ‘egalitarian sex’.

Sorry!]]] ...end twisty

Rest is R Mildred...

"Now the only thing I can find wrong with that is that she of course puts the fetishisation of oppression as the root cause of the problems inherent to most heterosexual (because homosexuality is, of course, above criticism *sniggers* nothing politically charged about two women getting it on, duh) encounters.

but that is of course wrong, because it’s not mere oppression that is fetishised, it’s explicitly the oppression of women (and specifically designated feminized men) that is fetishised. Which of course begs the question; why? Because just oppression being fetishised would lead to there being a loud and powerful group of pro-matriarchy women, no, there needs to be something else going on so that the oppression of women is especially fetishised."

I am, even less comfortable talking about GLBT issues than feminism, because of ignorance and fear of offense.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:38 AM
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Uh, the last sentence was mine.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:39 AM
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bob, you appear to be engaged in some sort of ideological bear-baiting program. I'm just not sure who the bear is. The original post is about the fucker who outed a bunch of people in a deeply malicious way. Most of the comments prior to your first are about that, as well. I think you're posting something responsive, and it has something to do with Twisty or someone named R. Mildred and hierarchies. Were either of those two people outed in similar circumstances? Did either of those two out people in similar circumstances? Maybe I'm being obtuse here, but it would be helpful to me if you would make your point in short, plain, obvious sentences.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:46 AM
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17:Tim, I am trying to internalize stuff like "the fetishization of oppression" while simultaneously determining the proper level of the yuan. And I have a shelfload of intense Marxist theory I need to read.

"Guy Debord" who's Debord? Damn that looks like good stuff on a cursory examination. But what do others think of him? Was he fashion? Is he useful? How does he fit?

I need to understand.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:49 AM
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22: I thought Bob was just going off-topic or bringing up stuff from other threads, which has been known to happen here. I forget the context in which he originally linked the R. Mildred piece, but it might have been germane in light of the discussion about rape and feminism which is what the other thread turned to.

Maybe Bob will correct me, but I don't see him as making a comment about the outings here.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:52 AM
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I want to move this thread back to its original topic by saying that I'm very, very pleased that we can make fun of Jason Fortuny and Jackie Mackie Paisley Passey at the same time. I feel like the universe has just given me a little present.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:55 AM
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4:"Isn't the refusal to allow so-called "excuse" making itself a form of black & white thinking?"

Stuff like this can send me into the stratosphere. "Black and white thinking" can be heirarchal thinking, or polarization. Just...trying to connect to many things.

An I do go off topic too much, when I get bored with the gang-bashing of an irrelevant and pathetic loser.

I also had a bad day over at Yglesias. I'm sorry.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:55 AM
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24: Accurate. Exactly.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:56 AM
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On the original topic, if it were a movie, I'd want the mob to show up at the guy's house, but it seems there's a real likelihood of harm here.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:58 AM
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and like 11.

I sometimes try to inject unwanted and gratuitous magnanimity into gang-bashings. I did it at length over at ObsWi Wednesday, defending Charles for no particular reason other than that everybody else,everbody was attacking him, and it fet tedious to jump in with me too.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:01 AM
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Cala, you're a better person than I am, since I'm close to wanting that anyway. At least, I want a bunch of people to show up pretending to be an angry mob (like the Hot Cops on Arrested Development) so that I can see pictures of his expression.

It was especially wise of Jason to post the ad *in Seattle* rather than a city far from his home.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:06 AM
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Bob, you can also try this crazy thing called keeping quiet.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:07 AM
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At least, I want a bunch of people to show up pretending to be an angry mob (like the Hot Cops on Arrested Development) so that I can see pictures of his expression.

Now that would be delicious. The guy who pretended to be interested in sex is frightened by a bunch of people pretending to have responded.

All we'd need is for someone to take pictures of him soiling himself and post it on the Internet.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:09 AM
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"What started out as a joke turned into a cunning plan...and a flight to Washington."


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:12 AM
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"43. What was the last thing you paid for with cash?
A prostitute. Guess where I got her?"


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:17 AM
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Bob--I've been loving your comemnts lately. I don't always get your point, but they've had a lovely, stream of consciousness / bop thing going on. I'm digging it, seriously.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:18 AM
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Open thread for Bob!


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:23 AM
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31,35:appears to be some gustibus disputandum here

"stream of consciousness / bop thing going on"

could be word salad :)


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:23 AM
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Wow, Paisley! It is like a present!

What's so Objectivist about him doing this to these guys, by the way? Even if I grant that it's an Objectivist thing to do, it seems from there that for the victims to murder him would be even more Objectivist. But I don't know Rand from a hole in the ground, so...


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:24 AM
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I *really* don't want to rehash this again, but I do gotta respond when I see the same damn thing repeated over and over. I also am seriously, in a deep, existential way, tired of the sometimes seeming impossibility of anyone ever listening to someone else and hearing what they actually said.

So, real quick:

While some people, certainly, are out in the world saying all your actions are private, exist in a vacuum, you have no responsibility for how you present yourself as a woman, etc., I don't think a single person who commented on Twisty's blog to that post raised that objection. The primary objection, among feminists, to Twisty's post was not that we didn't think there might be social reasons we had certain attitudes towards blowjobs, but that the literal, plain meaning of her words was "no woman enjoys this." So naturally some people said, yes, I do enjoy this, and in fact, there are reasons to think one might enjoy kissing and sucking a penis even in an egalitarian world, though it's not the one we live in, but in fact, it's kind of offensive that you are substituting our judgment for ours, and telling us what we subjectively experience. Maybe her real meaning was buried under layers of irony, and wasn't the literal meaning of her words at all (I suspect this is not the case), but it was non-obvious even to regular readers of her blog. When she then followed by saying, "everyone said you have sex in a vacuum!" it was an extremely intellectually dishonest reading of the actual response on her blog, and, IMO, personally insulting to her own damn commenters. For contrast, I had a big problem with the blowjob post, and no problem whatsoever with her recent post in which she takes the woman extolling the virtues of the sports corset to task, in which she says what you do: sex doesn't exist in a vacuum, actions have consequences, etc.

I really don't care as much about Twisty Faster as I care about this issue of actually reading what you're responding to and seeing what is there and not what you want to see.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:24 AM
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Cripes, y'all are pikers in inventing True Justice (TM) fantasies. I imagine him becoming more and more depressed, as days go by and he realizes that more and more people in his life have come to despise him, either out of conviction or because they are bowing to nation-wide peer pressure. Finally, he is left alone, reputation as a bad person firmly fixed. He takes out his trusty rifle (he's got to have one, probably with the "Sniper Scope 2000"), and blows the back of his head off. His landlord, a decent soul, cuts out the dry wall spattered with his grey matter and frames it. It sells for a significant sum on eBay, and the money is used to fund Team Hate's larger project of getting bad people to remove themselves from our society by simply focusing enough hate on them.

I will save some coffee for the FBI profilers, who I assume will show up shortly.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:27 AM
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Jackie Mackie Paisley Passey

Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck


Posted by: standpipe b | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:28 AM
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Tim, ew.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:31 AM
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Dude, Jason is like every bad unfogged thread rolled into a livejournal. I've bolded some choice moments.

Don't give me the uber-bullshit about obesity among poor people because they can't afford to eat right, blah blah blah. The notion that poor people are locked into McDonald's is utter nonsense.

Have you seen a McDonald's menu lately? It's fucking expensive. Sure, the dollar menu seems like a real deal. But you need six of those tiny little servings to match the net weight of your average Subway $4 sub. Boom, you just spent $6. But you feel like you saved money because, ooooh! It's the dollar menu! Congratulations. You can't do math.
McDonald's is extremely dense in calories and low in nutrition. It's basically tasty fat. So here comes your black ass into Mickey-D's and you order 1500 calories worth of nutritionless McNuggets ten pack for every meal. At 4,500 calories of fat-packets per day, and no real exercise, of course you're going to blimp up, Sanford!
The real kicker is that buying simple grocery ingredients and cooking your own damn food is the real way to save money. Do you have a kitchen with an oven and a couple of pans? Buy flour and baking powder. Make your own breadsticks. Buy minute rice. Buy potato(e)s. Buy lettuce and tomoato(e)s. Buy chicken. No, not the Tyson readymade shit; the frozen shit.
The average 1,200 calorie homecooked meal from basic ingredients costs $1.90. And that's when you buy the premium brands! You can cut that to under a dollar if you get all the cheap brands. There's your dollar menu right there, Shaniqua! Now you can save up for some watermelon, or some birth control! YESSAH!
LEARN TO COOK A DINNER WITH MODERATE PORTIONS. If you learn to do it well, you can have it all ready in 30 minutes to feed your breeder family comfortably. Then your husband Tyrone won't have to beat you that night.
And for all of you idiotic southerners who think you're already doing this: you'll note I said homecooked, not homedrowned in fried grease. Your eating habits are disgusting on the Jabba the Hutt level. Pls die.

Next: Fortuny on whether rape victims are ever culpable, and if so in what sense.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:33 AM
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He takes out his trusty rifle (he's got to have one, probably with the "Sniper Scope 2000")

I get the impression he's more of a nunchucks kind of guy. It's probably hard to kill yourself with nunchucks, though it might be funny to watch him try.


Posted by: Felix | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:33 AM
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Dude, Jason is like every bad unfogged thread rolled into a livejournal. I've bolded some choice moments.

Don't give me the uber-bullshit about obesity among poor people because they can't afford to eat right, blah blah blah. The notion that poor people are locked into McDonald's is utter nonsense.

Have you seen a McDonald's menu lately? It's fucking expensive. Sure, the dollar menu seems like a real deal. But you need six of those tiny little servings to match the net weight of your average Subway $4 sub. Boom, you just spent $6. But you feel like you saved money because, ooooh! It's the dollar menu! Congratulations. You can't do math.
McDonald's is extremely dense in calories and low in nutrition. It's basically tasty fat. So here comes your black ass into Mickey-D's and you order 1500 calories worth of nutritionless McNuggets ten pack for every meal. At 4,500 calories of fat-packets per day, and no real exercise, of course you're going to blimp up, Sanford!
The real kicker is that buying simple grocery ingredients and cooking your own damn food is the real way to save money. Do you have a kitchen with an oven and a couple of pans? Buy flour and baking powder. Make your own breadsticks. Buy minute rice. Buy potato(e)s. Buy lettuce and tomoato(e)s. Buy chicken. No, not the Tyson readymade shit; the frozen shit.
The average 1,200 calorie homecooked meal from basic ingredients costs $1.90. And that's when you buy the premium brands! You can cut that to under a dollar if you get all the cheap brands. There's your dollar menu right there, Shaniqua! Now you can save up for some watermelon, or some birth control! YESSAH!
LEARN TO COOK A DINNER WITH MODERATE PORTIONS. If you learn to do it well, you can have it all ready in 30 minutes to feed your breeder family comfortably. Then your husband Tyrone won't have to beat you that night.
And for all of you idiotic southerners who think you're already doing this: you'll note I said homecooked, not homedrowned in fried grease. Your eating habits are disgusting on the Jabba the Hutt level. Pls die.

Next: Fortuny on whether rape victims are ever culpable, and if so in what sense.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:38 AM
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So, to everyone who ever said something was impossible: fuck you. Nothing is impossible. Atlas Shrugged may only be fiction, but it's an accurate demonstration of how innovation works in this world.

Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:38 AM
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42: See 43.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:43 AM
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47, yeah good point. But since one of his friends is Jackie Passey, I think that's unlikely to happen. I'm going to root for 32, pending something even more poetically appropriate happening.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:52 AM
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39:Tia, I listen, but sometimes i forget.

But I did not think the post was about blowjobs and corsets. The post contained much discussion or racism, and Marxism, and Radfem, and GLBT, and Maxist feminism, and socialist feminism and how arguments internal to people with shared goals got in the way. I believe I have evidence for this reading in the post.

So I read "fetishization of oppression" as referring to the abstraction, objectification, and reification of the structures of power relations so that categories of oppression are created that alienate the oppressed from each other. That this categorization of oppression into racism, sexism, class struggle, imperialism was in itself part of dynamics and a tool of oppression.

I thought the idea very interesting, tho maybe I made it all up in a misreading.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:55 AM
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Looking at this I think maybe this is an unofficial version of suicide by cop.

And from the stories of copycat pranksters elsewhere, he may have destroyed Craigslist. Not cool.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 9:59 AM
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43: Oh my fucking lord.

My concern is not so much that one of these outed guys is going to kill this idiot, but that one of them is going to kill himself.

I looked at the responses this morning. One of those guys used his military email address. Oy.


Posted by: dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:03 AM
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He's also the #4 commenter on Paisley's website, so I bet there are some gems to be dug up there. Gems of crap, that is.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:04 AM
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51: Agree entirely. He did a bad, bad thing.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:12 AM
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49: sorry, Bob, I was addressing winna, not you.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:23 AM
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More irony.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:33 AM
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CL guy: bad, scary.

Twisty: correct; no woman is an island.

Bob: Am loving the posts and the sense of epiphany and questioning, but like Tim, am worried that this high is something you need to get control of before it spirals out of control.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:38 AM
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Twisty's is also the name of a porn site featuring women with fair amounts of makeup and large breasts. This caused me much confusion while reading these comments. That is all.

Has it ever been established that Jacqueline Passey is real?

And dear god, did this guy really post the ad in the city in which he lives? I am worried for the dude.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 11:10 AM
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11: It is indeed Augustine, from the contra Epistulam Parmeniani:

"securus iudicat orbis terrarum bonos non esse, qui se dividunt ab orbe terrarum in quacumque parte terrarum."

Your rendering gets the gist, kinda. A little more literally: "the whole world judges firmly that those who, in any part of the world, separate themselves from the whole world, are not good."

I think in the original context it was about religious schism, rather than anything intended to be more generally profound, but it's taken on a life of its own since. Don't know what book uses it as an epigraph.


Posted by: ettinauer | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 11:33 AM
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Fortuny lives in Kirkland, which is a few miles from Seattle. He's also posted (what purports to be) his address. I'm sort of hoping we find out that the real Jason is the victim of some crazy prank, but I'm afraid this is headed in a different direction.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 11:37 AM
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I thought it was a transformed version of Terence's "Homo sum humani nihil a me alieno puto".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 11:48 AM
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58:Thank you, thank you, thank you. A scholar indeed.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 12:09 PM
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Poetic justice would be for Jason to find his missing bio-dad and discover he was International Mr Leather 1988.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 12:11 PM
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60:I have forgotten too much of my Latin, and I was looking for the epigram ettinauer found, but if I am translating correctly, the Terence is good also.
I suspect I take the sentiments too seriously sometimes.

Worried about the "puto" tho.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 12:43 PM
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36:I gots permissions!

56:B, the official professional certified diagnosis was strong Borderline Personality

"Family members who wish to help people with BPD are advised to get clear information on the disorder from mental health professionals as this disorder is not easy to understand with the behaviors of sufferers being sometimes very difficult to tolerate and misunderstood. The question "Why are you doing this?" may remain unanswered or validated by distorted illogical thinking. There is a tendency for some doctors to prescribe tranquilizers such as the benzodiazepine group (includes diazepam [Valium] and lorazepam) for symptoms of anxiety or distress that BPD patients may have, but these drugs can increase impulsivity due to disinhibition *** and may add to the risk factor
[citation needed]. Victims of this disorder may be very intelligent, loving people with strong personalities in terms of holding opinions and defending their ideas, but their self-image is damaged and they seek fulfilment, sometimes in invalidating environments."

***ooopsie. Really am drug free and have maintained since the early 80s with harm to neither myself or others but recently just wanted a little sleep so been self-prescribing just the littlest 5s and 10s. This is news to me. So maybe some diet, dog walks, weight lifting, and no more French movies at 2 AM.

Cause I feel like my 70s self again. P-schiz doesn't work, cause there ain't no megalomania and I don't think anyone here but Labs is out to get me. But bi-polar, well...I did all of Thomas Mann and a lot of secondary material in two weeks once. "Joseph..." can be read in two days if you don't sleep. Followed by a while in a closet.

Don't worry. Please. I am probably just overstimulated and "disinhibited". I think I'll go away a while, either indulge myself in some intense study or not read at all. It's good dog walking weather. I an 55+ I know how to survive this. Made it so far.

Thank you, thank you for your concern.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 1:16 PM
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RE 34: "43. What was the last thing you paid for with cash?
A prostitute. Guess where I got her?"

Perhaps on Craiglist.


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Bob, maybe go see a doctor? Ideally a psychiatrist?


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66:B, did you read the Wiki link?

"Patients often need extensive mental health services, and they account for 20 percent of psychiatric hospitalizations.[9] It is recognized that they often receive poor service, however, in part due to lack of sympathy with or understanding of self-harm, impulsivity or so-called 'non-compliance'. However, most individuals improve over time and are able to lead more stable and happy lives."

The disorder is often poorly understood by psychiatrists and some psychiatrists simply refuse to accept BPD patients due to their instability (missed appointments, difficulty dealing with them)."

Anyway been there done that at length. The problem with therapy is that sabotaging relationships is one of the primary symptoms.
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But hey there are always drugs!

"Treatments for BPD have improved in recent years. [11] People with BPD, who are often distressed by at least some of their symptoms, typically undertake a series of empirical trials of drugs to see whether anything helps them, and may end up taking no drugs at all.

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SSRI antidepressants
Since about 1989, Prozac and other selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressants have repeatedly been shown to improve the symptoms of BPD in some patients, which seems to be a separate effect to antidepressant as such, focussing more on affect regulation. This, however, is questioned by some psychiatrists who caution against use of SSRI and SNRI drugs due to risk and side-effects. Medication must be carefully monitored with BPD patients as the ultimate risk is suicide, and this can potentially be the direct result of prescription drug mismanagement.

Ooops. Remember, whatever episode I am may have been inaugurated with 5 mg per night of diazepam. Been here done this also. Court comitted, misdiagnosed and mismedicated for years, I am a shade leary of trusting the professionals again.

This ain't black depression. It is mainly self-loathing and pathological lability, and if I can keep from slashing my wrists and stay cautious with relationships, my days are active and filled with beauty.

I gave up on the Nobel and Presidency years ago.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 6:41 PM
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Uhh. B. This ain't neurosis, this ain't situational, this ain't a temporary problem. This is stuff they zone you out for and park you in front of the Salvation Army. Other people have had worse problems and done better. Maybe. Specific disabilities constrain in different ways.

The guy without legs, gets prosthetics, runs the marathon:terrific.
The lady who gets the dog learns braille becomes a lawyer: admirable role-model for us all.
I try not to expect such effort out of people or condemn them for inadequate effort.

I am not asking for anyone to feel sorry for me or treat me differently in significant ways. Nothing. But I have revealed a lot and am a little sensitive and if you cop the attitude:"Shape up kid and take responsibility for your life." I could feel a little hurt, a little betrayed.

If I make you uncomfortable ask me to go.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 7:57 PM
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If I make you uncomfortable

You'll have to try harder than that, Bob.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 8:07 PM
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"You'll have to try harder than that, Bob"

Is that a challenge, apo? Or...a too casual candidness can disguise aggression. Do you think I am amusing myself?

You know, Mark Thoma comes very close to the edge of fair use because he understands that so very few people click thru links and actually read the material.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-06 10:39 PM
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Is that a challenge, apo? [...] Do you think I am amusing myself?

Neither, Bob. Just saying that you're not in any danger of making me so uncomfortable that I'd ask you to go away.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-10-06 3:30 AM
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