If they were "participating in some weird necrophiliac group sexual encounter with them", what age would you consider them to be? Age from birth? Age since they died? Hayek's only a 14 year old corpse. The government is definitely opposed to that (except maybe Foley, that's right around his ideal age.)
How many principled Hayekean or Burkean conservatives have actually run the Republican Party over the last fifty years? Everyone acts like Bush is this radical departure from the norm, but I fail to see how he's not just a natural product of the long political union between cultural conservatives and business elites.
But so much more obvious about it.
How many principled Hayekean or Burkean conservatives have actually run the Republican Party over the last fifty years?
I think Moynihan was one of those, right? Does he count?
a natural product of the long political union between cultural conservatives and business elites.
I'm not sure it's been such a long union. Certainly not 50 years. For a long time they occassionally danced together, and flirted a bit, but it's only recently their union has been complete. But yes, you are right: Bush is nothing other than the natural offspring of this unholy alliance.
So, what the hell happened last night in San Francisco? Was this a hate crime or what?
How is this supposed to work? I'm not in high school. I haven't had a sex ed class in years. Re-education now?
Here you go, LB -- 10 people shot at a Hallowe'en party.
I assume it's things like TV and display ads.
Yeah, the press reports are really confusing. They hint at an antigay element to the violence, but don't elaborate. And the have no leads! This happened in front of like 2,000 people.
Or, as Ezra suggests in Becks' link, armed guards with tranquilizer darts.
One of the things that struck me about San Francisco was how much more of an issue crime seemed to be.
Certainly not 50 years.
They explicitly created this coalition 38-39 years ago, and you could reasonably argue that Nixon and his lot had been forming it well before that.
They hint at an antigay element to the violence, but don't elaborate.
And they also say "Gunfire broke out between two groups". WTF?
My bigger complaint with arguments of this sort ("These Republicans have forgotten what real conservatism is like, etc.") is that, intentionally or not, it has the effect of looking back on bona fide conservatism with rose-colored glasses. Burkean conservatives have generally opposed genuine progress, from civil rights to environmental regulation to a host of critical social programs, and have inevitably sided with and empowered the same right-wing factions that are currently running the country into the ground. The proper response to crazy plans from the Bush administration isn't to say "they're bad small-government conservatives," but to say "they're wrong and insane." Better yet, to point out that their insanity is a natural outgrowth of conservatism itself.
Or even if it isn't a natural outgrowth, to make it clear that "Even though they're hypocrites, we wouldn't agree with them any more if they were sincere."
17: Part of the problem is that ideology under-determines specific policy. I think I could put together a Burkean/Oakshottian critique of the Republican Party that amounts to a recognition that, because Democrats were so dominant for so long, our norm are now the national norms, and the conservative position should be to preserve those norms. Baa might not find such an argument compelling, but I think I could preserve all the formalisms that he'd like.
Burkean conservatives have generally opposed genuine progress, from civil rights to environmental regulation to a host of critical social programs, and have inevitably sided with and empowered the same right-wing factions that are currently running the country into the ground.
Totally. William F. Buckley may have a better vocabulary than Tom DeLay, but that doesn't make him less of a reactionary.
I think Moynihan was one of those, right? Does he count?
They don't let Democrats run the Republican Party.
And the have no leads! This happened in front of like 2,000 people.
Were the victims black rappers?
I haven't heard details of the SF shootings, but the cause is pretty clear.
Teaching evolution to our children.
No no no, it's Nancy Pelosi's fault, if she becomes Speaker she'll bring her San Francisco liberal values to all of America and then people will be shot at halloween parties all around the country.
I am tempted to bring some of these abstinence education people to my campus so I can mock them.
12,16: Everything I've heard suggests it was a gang thing rather than a gay-bashing thing. I think the wire services may have just assumed it was an anti-gay attack because it was in the Castro, but AFAIK Hallowe'en celebrates the degenerate values of all Bay Area folk, not just teh gays'.
27: Well, that's somewhat of a relief, I guess. Still terrible, but not as bad as anti-gay terrorism.
Shouldn't you be glad that there will be no future Republican bastards, should the admonishments be followed by the target audience? And quite literally bastards, I am to assume.
No, keeping Republicans celibate is only likely to make them even more mean and spiteful. It certainly would have that effect on me.
Plus, what makes you think Republicans will actually follow their own advice?
30- Maybe that's been the problem all along.
They wouldn't recognize Burke or Hayek if they were participating in some weird necrophiliac group sexual encounter with them.
For the record, I don't think *I* would recognize Burke or Hayek if I was participating in some weird necrophiliac group sexual encounter with them. Is that a strike against me in Hilzoy's eyes?
If you're calling yourself a philosophical conservative, then I think it might lead her to think you were unserious.
As would, you know, the whole weird necrophiliac group sexual encounter thing.
I can't believe 33 prompted a response as somber as 34.
But 35? That was lighthearted, wasn't it?
Eh, it's the first of the month. I'm irritated and humorless because my timesheets are due.
ok, I just spent three minutes trying to picture the Zombie Orgy of the Philosophers. Do you see what this blog does to my brain!
How would it work? Purdah, dudes. Beating up unattended young women. Marcotte would understand the reality, the seriousness of the proposal. So would Riverbend.
You know, that's something I don't think a lot of people get about the 18th and 19th C requirement of chastity for unmarried women: that it was enforced with the death penalty. Oh, not for everyone, just like most murderers don't get executed these days. But lots of women were in a position where they couldn't feed themselves without a man's assistance, and they were supported on condition that they remain chaste. If your father threw you out of the house for being a slut, starving was a serious possibility.
I don't think you can get to a society where premarital chastity is a strong norm without penalties like that.
Hey come on WTF you guys, LB says she's humorless and irritable in conjunction with its being a particular time of the month, and nobody follows that up?