A reasonable number of people have always been anti-war, as recent lists compiled, I think by MY and Ezra, have pointed out. I've a soft spot for the left-ist guy in the race too, but he'll always be the boy Mayor of Cleveland from the seventies to me. Anybody remember who the boy mayor of Cincinnati was? Ohio was silly in the early seventies; Newcomerstown had an eighteen-year-old boy as its mayor.
I'm glad: he always seemed like such a nice little man.
I once saw him at Whole Foods once, yelling at the people behind the bread counter. So you may only be half right.
God dammit. That's entirely too many onces.
Re: boy Mayor of Cincinnati -- are you thinking of Jerry Springer or Ken Blackwell? or was there another?
I was thinking of Springer, in the period for that stuff. Blackwell was later.
The thing about Kucinich is, there was a debate question in which he was asked, is there any government program which you would consider to be wasteful? And he couldn't come up with an answer.
I'm practically a social democrat over here, but that shit's crazy.
Also: the keyboards in Germany are FUCKED, people.
And he couldn't come up with an answer.
Really? I would have assumed he could rattle off several DoD programs.
Also: the keyboards in Germany are FUCKED, people.
Useful, though, if you need to type any umläuter.
She's kind of insanely lovely to look upon.
She really is. I'm a little taken aback by the failure to meet even the 1/2 + 7 standard, but it's none of my business.
12: She looks really different in different pictures. The one from the wedding, though: yowza. Kucinich is really swinging above his weight. Good on him.
Ohio was silly in the early seventies; Newcomerstown had an eighteen-year-old boy as its mayor.
I have a 21-year-old friend whose twin brother is currently on the school board of a large Ohio suburb.
Are there madcap hijinks when your friend takes over the schoolboard duties for a day?
No, she's about a foot shorter than he is.
Kucinich is really swinging above his weight.
Being a national laughinstock is the most powerful aphrodisiac.
Being a national laughinstock is the most powerful aphrodisiac.
And yet -gg-d has trouble with resetting his Tivo.
While seventies political figures are being talked about, can someone explain the pronunciation variation of Pinochet? With or without the "t" sounded, often in the same report, as just now on the BBC covering the funeral?
What's the 1/2 + 7 standard? Out of ten?
21 - Maximum age difference between lovers. Half the elder's age, plus seven, is the youngest hottie with which one should hook.
re: 21
Take man's age, divide by 2, add 7; to get ideal age for bride.
[Ironically, when my wife and I met, we had exactly this age difference.]
re:22
I think that's the granola/PC version of the proverb. I'd always heard it was a pretty straight-up quasi-paternalistic setup in which the older partner was, pretty much by definition, male, and that 1/2 male age + 7 was the ideal age, rather than some lower bound.
23- minimum age spread regardless of gender, not ideal age spread for a man's bride.
23/25: wtf? Your interpretation is ideosyncratic, I assure you.
Myself, I think it should only apply to long-term relationships. Big age differences in short-term affairs aren't a problem. In fact, can be quite nice.
22: So apparently I can go no lower than 20. Shit.
This is his third wife.
ideosyncratic
So awesome. Like polysyllabic.
ideosyncratic s/b idiosyncratic s/b correct. The patriarchical interpretation is the original one.
It's been a minimum for me lately; granted I've actually been trying to change that.
re: 27
Hmm, the first time I heard it it was described as an 'old chinese proverb'* and described in those quasi-paternalistic terms. Perhaps the person who described it to me was using it in an idiosyncratic way.
* Orientalist bullshit, etc yadda yadda
Since I became aware of the rule on these here threads, I've been struck by how accurately it describes whom I find "imaginable." This despite having very interesting adult conversations with people more than ten years younger than where my point is now.
And Kucinich's wife is lovely. Of course, I have a weakness for the redheads.
Hmmm. In other words, 2(me - 7) as a marriagable spouse. Also in other words, women over 50 are unmarryable.
I can't believe you all are endorsing this.
(j/k)
She may be a looker, but judging by her blog Dennis may be doing a lot of eye-rolling. A sample: "From a family (grandmother, mother, me and now my husband Dennis) of Librans, the symbol for which is the scales, my mother and I always joked that we spent our lives in constant flux in search of balance but rarely finding it. Librans, in this constant seeking for justice, appreciate fully moments of beauty and opportunity in every experience that allude to balance and justice."
When she and her mother get together, watch out!
38: Have you listened to anything Kucinich has ever said? While I agree with him on a lot of policy stuff, this is a marriage made in hippie-dippy New Age crystals n' cedar smoke heaven.
37: Think of it as a linear approximation, reasonable over a certain range only.
37: What am I? Chopped liver?
Yes, should be maximum in 26, sorry. That makes a big difference.
I'm going to need citations to believe this was considered an "ideal" age spread for a man and his bride. In what culture, and when? (I know the Romans commonly had age spreads in excess of this, but I thought this exact differential was of more recent vintage.)
We went over this at length at some point. Search them archives.
Or even better, think of it as pseudo-scientific bs encoding of the idea that in your mid thirties, you'll probably be happier with people over 25, say.
Little Women is where I know it from, so call it nineteenth century New England.
I guess in that case I should divorce my wife.
2: But who among us hasn't screamed at someone behind a counter in Whole Foods? No focaccia in the bread section? Are you kidding me!?
I should divorce my wife.
Dunno, can she do a pull-up?
A story about the development of love:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1030-04.htm
40 - Silly laymen, with their first order Taylor expansions.
41 - You've got women falling at your feet with the gender ratios at your age. As long as they didn't break a hip, get busy!
I tend to refuse to vote on grounds of electability in primaries, and have a soft spot for unapologetic liberals. I go for the Wellstones, the Feingolds, the Deans, the Durbins, the Leahys (not necessarily in a presidential race, but those are my favorite politicians). But Kucinich drives me just completely crazy, for some reason. He seems to personify the popular caricatures of hippy-dippy liberals thinking can use dreamcatchers and positive energy to establish world peace and end hunger. And he just doesn't seem all that bright.
This is probably unfair....I don't know what it is about the guy.
Apropos to nothing, I just read an article about the little Texas town where I work:
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/outdoors/12/12//12blindhunt.html
51: Yup. But what do you expect, really?
Dunno, can she do a pull-up?
This is no time for jokes, ogged. Brock's wife did recently have a baby.
Brock, did you witness the birth? Did it make you feel differently about her vagina?
I agree with 52. With that being said, those 90% of us Democrats who vote in primaries that have no effect on the nominating process should still vote for him.
If 57 is a joke, I don't get it.
Where is standpipe when you need him?
We're just trying to say that you should probably divorce your wife, Brock. Didn't she just saddle you with a high-maintenance baby?
Here are some more pictures:
http://www.westlifenews.com/2005/07-13/dk.jpg
http://www.wkyc.com/galleries/galleries_fullstory.asp?id=39648
52: You now live in the heartland of the irrelevant presidential primary.
61: You now live in the heartland of the pictures that were already posted in comments 4 and 5.
Where is standpipe when you need him?
IM IN UR... oh, screw it.
59: It's from the archives, before your time I think. There are a couple of posts other than the one I linked. Basically, if you were in the delivery room, odds are you were so traumatized you'll never be able to be attracted to your wife again.
35: adult s/b "adult"
I meant it both ways, as it happens.
Is joeo even reading the thread? Or is it simply to provoke apostropher?
So it seems that after you impregnate somebody you should avoid them for the next year or so, and then come back to a bouncing baby and a woman who has not traumatized you with strange bodily attributes.
The moral of the story was that everybody should demand their wives deliver by C-section, so that you'll only be traumatized by her intestines, because you'll be far less likely to use those than her vagina.
57 was a reference to this, a blog fight of world-historical proportions, which lasted for months seemingly, where ogged virulently defended a man's right to no longer be attracted to his wife after seeing her give birth. It was awesome.
20. Pinochet is dicsussed at Language Log.
only slightly off topic, john conyers looks really good for being born in 1929. i would have guess late fifties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Conyers
Cripes. You guys had, like, a whole thing there while I was scouring the hoohole for linkage.
65/68- doh, I actually remember those threads, just wasn't making the appropriate connections. (Damn baby never lets me sleep.) I did witness the birth. I think we'll still have sex though, eventually. Or would have, if I hadn't just learned that she's categorically too old. On to more nubile pastures!
The fact that it lasted for months can be demonstrated by the title of one of the related posts: "This Blog Will Henceforth Be Solely Devoted To Discussion of Husbands In The Delivery Room".
On to more nubile pastures!
You could join me on my hunt for sixteen-year-olds.
My younger brother's wife had a baby, and an episiotomy, Sunday morning. According to mom, who talked with him shortly thereafter, the experience was rougher for my brother than for my sister-in-law (not that I blame him -- my perineum hurts just thinking about it). I should probably wait until the shock wears off before asking him if he's planning on having sex again.
78- very tempting, Apo. 16 sounds a bit young for me, but I've probably just been blinded by our western 1/2+7 culture. If 1/2+7 is the ideal, what in fact is the maximum acceptable age differential? Or is there none?
High school ladies, watch out: Landers is on the prowl!
and an episiotomy
Seeing an episiotomy get sewn back up is a much more gruesome sight than an actual delivery, IME.
And then there are the big black stitches with hanging ends of thread once it's done: Frankenpussy.
Frankenpussy
Hey, the band names thread is over there.
73: Thanks for the Pinochet explanation; very clear and exhaustive. I may not move my lips but I have a "mind's ear" and must know how to say a word before I'm comfortable using it. Since it seems to be a matter of choice, I choose to pronounce it with the "t", as if it were a wine made just for our favorite kind of guy.
If 1/2+7 is the ideal, what in fact is the maximum acceptable age differential?
It used to be the ideal (apparently), but at least in my experience it's now considered a lower bound. Rest easy.
That Pinochet link is interesting. Apparently a lot of Chileans pronounce it the way it would be pronounced in French, but for completely different reasons.
42 Here is a citation. Ideal is the formulation I am familiar with, minimum appears to be a recent more politically corrrect variant.
Are the "European Rules" of 1/2 + 5 (when knowledge is uncertain or if you meet them in a bar) not as widely known then?
Pinochet, on the other hand, interpreted it to mean `number of people to have killed on my birthday'.
87- it's from Aristotle?!? The wisest man in history thinks I should divorce my wife for some younger action?!
Wow... I'm stunned. I'm going to have to take a minute or two and rethink a few things.
I'm not convinced that Aristotle ever actually met a woman.
Well you know what they say about those ancient Greeks right...
Aristotle was not the wisest man in history.
Ha! Of course that would be Derbyshire.
I like how the operand between the two ages is "vs.". Nice.
Derbyshire is also not the wisest man in history.
Though he may be the wisest man at the Corner.
91: Actually, Aristotle was married to Pythias, niece of Hermias, ruler of Atarneus.
I can't find how old Aristotle was when they married, but it was not long after he left the Academy at age 37, following Plato's death. She was much younger than he.
I just realized my father's wife was, when they married, pretty far outside the 1/2+7 framework, although the ensuing 20 years have brought them within the realm of respectability.
98: It's not known exactly how old she was.
There's a quote attributed to Aristotle, stating that the appropriate age for marriage is 37 for men and 18 for women. But that's not found in any extant sources.
If the quote is accurate, that probably means that Pythias was about 18.
The only thing I can find online with dates suggests she was born c. 361, and they married c. 343, which would make her 18 at the time of their marriage.
I'm slow, but I'm finally reading the article about how Kucinich found love, and... wow.
Dennis says, "I've never seen myself as time-bound. When you make a connection on a soul level, age is not important."
This kind of talk will not get you elected President.
he always seemed like such a nice little man.
I can attest that Dennis is a stand-up guy who will buy his round when you drink with him so maybe that mitigates his tactlessness with the bakers. But 52 gets it exactly right, otherwise: I might vote to make Kucinich a city-councilman but he'd be on his own after that.
