Re: Another Great Dan Marino Moment

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But if it's not worth being congratulated over, wouldn't that imply that the original record was rather trivial?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:05 PM
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You know the rules, Ben.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:10 PM
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That wasn't a comment about sports, ogged, but about record-breaking and PR.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:11 PM
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w-lfs-n sort of has a point, doesn't he? Favre sucks this year. If his record-breaking year is the year you could beat him out in a fair competition, is it really a record worth noting?

Or is this really a post about Marino's pain?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:13 PM
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Ben, again?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:15 PM
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All records are made to be broken, but total-career records are surely more of a test of endurance and medical technology than sheer ability.

Anyway, Marino should look at the Trent Dilfer example, of a good quarterback who wanted to win the super bowl, so went somewhere that he made less money and got less respect than he could have elsewhere, but hey, he's got a ring.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:18 PM
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It's not my fault if you don't even know how to apply your own rules, ogged.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 1:19 PM
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6 is mostly correct, except that if it were the case that Favre is hurting the Packers this year (which would be true if they could reasonably expect as good or better performance for less money) then it is reasonable to criticize him for extending his career just to get a bunch of career length records, and it should in fact lower our evaluation of him on any kind of all-time list.

Cf. when they let whoever it was with a broken leg get a layup to set a record, someone will fill in the details for me I'm sure.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 2:30 PM
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Nykesha Sales.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 2:35 PM
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Favre does give the impression of just hanging in there because he can. But you're missing the real point: Marino thinks Favre should have let him have his record because Favre won the Super Bowl, and people with Super Bowl rings make Dan Marino cry.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 2:55 PM
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Maybe Timbot missed the recent Marino talk here, in which case I'm inclined to forgive him for his comments in this thread. Christ is the reason for the season, you know.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 4:26 PM
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OT: Does anyone think Garcia is, unfortunately, going to get crap for the kiss of Trotter's helmet just because of prior rumors that he's gay? It's sort of sad that I worry about that in this day and age.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 5:14 PM
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Yes.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 5:15 PM
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Fuck. I wonder if CBS showed that highlight toward that end. Controversy makes for entertainment.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 5:19 PM
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I believe that what will happen is they will show the clip, and Howie will say "Terry, you ever do that during a game? (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)" and Terry will say "No way (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), I'm not quite sure what Garcia was thinking right there." They will definitely draw attention to it, and that's all you need.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 5:22 PM
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Probably. No one really cared when Cowher gave Slash a kiss. And that one looked like it might have included a little tongue. Sucks--this should be a really good time for him.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 5:28 PM
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Who was in charge of tellin Ogged that it's "Favre"?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 6:25 PM
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Brett Favre was also in a funnier movie than Dan Marino.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 6:48 PM
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Favre

Thanks, old timer.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 6:57 PM
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I bet if you told Dan Marino he still has the record for most career completions without winning a Super Bowl, he would punch you in the face.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 8:06 PM
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Maybe, but it would probably be worth it.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 9:04 PM
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Wait, are we pretending that there have been quarterbacks since Joe Cool that weren't completely annoying?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 9:07 PM
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Hey, football types, here's a question: how come teams don't use the lateral more? It's always seemed to me that a team with rugby training could rule.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 9:50 PM
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Too risky, with no inherent gain of yardage.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 10:02 PM
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There was a lateral during a runback from an interception in the Giants game today. For a second, the whole play looked very rugby-ish.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 12-17-06 10:38 PM
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Re: 18

Oh, hell no.

Although in the "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective" the by far best Dolphin cameo was by Don Shula.

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Shape of the ball, I think. If your teammate drops the lateral, the thing can go any number of places. The more rounded rugby ball probably takes less crazy bounces, so it's less risky.

Plus the rule against forward laterals is violated pretty often when teams try it.


Posted by: witless chum | Link to this comment | 12-18-06 2:41 PM
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The thing about rugby - which I also appreciate - is that they have a rule against blocking (AKA "shepherding"), which makes the lateral pass a necessity, rather than an option.

Given the option (in American football), if I and a teammate are approaching an opposition defender, it is generally more efficient for me to send my teammate ahead to knock the defender out of the way than to have him trail behind me and hope that I unleash the pass at just the right moment, angle, and velocity to ensure that the defender tackles me and not my teammate (now carrying the ball).

At least that's how I've always understood it.


Posted by: dr ngo | Link to this comment | 12-19-06 12:55 AM
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