Re: Wait, this is a bad thing?

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This is all of course tied up with the whole 'grower v. shower' thing.


Posted by: NathanL | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:21 AM
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Alas, my experience is quite limited, but at least I've slept with one of each. (Okay, maybe two of each, depending on whether the Clinton definition of "sex" is in play or not.)

In any case, I saw no validation for the stereotype in either size or prowess. Consider that a data point, I guess.

In any case, I have no plans to read the book after seeing that excerpt. Must we capitalize Penis? And Sexual Prowess? Must WE?


Posted by: Wrenae | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:26 AM
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Can you add one more "in any case" to that last post? I like to have a trifecta.


Posted by: Wrenae | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:28 AM
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The author's writing is chock full of non-standard capitalization. Also, the good/well thing, but I didn't want to seem like I was being pedantic in order to compensate for something or other.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:29 AM
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Isn't this a context thing? I want it known that I'm fabulous in bed...in circles where that's appropriate. I do not want this presumed in the workplace, where it's wholly irrelevant.

(Every time I think I'm being smart on this site, I later decide I was stating the obvious, so take me with a grain of salt, please.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:34 AM
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I do not want this presumed in the workplace

This is where you and I differ, apparently.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:35 AM
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I like to have a trifecta.

I think you'll have to have (at least Clintonian) sex with one more of each, then. And for a perfect trifecta, you probably need to line up 3 Mexicans as well.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:37 AM
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I like to have a trifecta.

All the better for a carefully controlled set of experiments to investigate this book's premise.

Also, I agree with #5. If I was an unbelievably hot woman who was a great dancer, I wouldn't want that to make my coworkers mutter to each other about how great I must be in the sack. It's semi-demeaning.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:39 AM
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The reason it's pernicious when applied to blacks is that their full humanity has been questioned in the past, and in that context, their sexual prowess could be taken as one more sign of their "animal" nature. If the same stereotype applied to whites, it wouldn't have the same meaning, or be pernicious. (Of course, when you're on the outs with society, any distinguishing trait is spun as a flaw.) This is also why some people object to the "blacks are better athletes" stereotype--because it can make them seem more "animal" and because it makes it easy to say "blacks have better bodies, whites have better minds."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:39 AM
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I didn't want to seem like I was being pedantic

RACIST.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:40 AM
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9: Ahem.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:41 AM
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Shit. I'm sick, cut me some slack, dawg.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:42 AM
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Seriously though, between 9 (which logic I was already familiar with, thanks) and the "articulate" flap, I'm coming to believe that in the 21st century, compliments can only apply non-ironically to white people.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:44 AM
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Compliments can apply non-ironically only to individual people. Compliments given to a group are ripe for irony.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:45 AM
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13: I think that was true, but it is changing with the arrival of Generation Awesome. Or at least we worry about stereotypes slightly less. Cf. A show like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:46 AM
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Compliments can apply non-ironically only to individual people.

Except Barack Obama. But maybe that's because he contains legions, some of whom might not be articulate.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:47 AM
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I already hate Generation Awesome.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:50 AM
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9/13: Don't most of our arguments about race/gender boil down to that? If one knows the logic of the argument, why ask the question?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:51 AM
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why ask the question?

For comedic effect.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:53 AM
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I agree that the reason it's insulting is the implication is that the only thing they're good at is fucking and sports.

Anyway, I have done extensive field research which has brought me to the conclusion that black men have bigger dicks, are better at "humping" (who calls its humping anymore?), and are generally more pleasing to look at naked. In answer to the question, black men hump better than white men. I mean, once you go black you never go back.

I hope this doesn't make me racist.


Posted by: stroll | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:55 AM
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"who calls its humping anymore?"

An ex of mine. It was rather distracting.


Posted by: ptm | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 11:57 AM
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I always thought "humping" referred to sexlike thrusting movements that did NOT constitute actual sex. Usually used either
A) to describe the interaction of a dog/cat with somebody's leg or a water heater or a sofa
B) to describe clothed foreplay activities


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:00 PM
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I hope this doesn't make me racist.

Don't worry. Gay people can't be racist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:04 PM
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It is called 'humping' here so that the book's title can pun on 'White Men Can't Jump.'


Posted by: wan | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:07 PM
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The presence of the opposite stereotype with respect to, specifically, Jewish and Asian men, does seem to indicate that it's a product of the whole mind/body racial stereotype dichotomy complex.


Posted by: Rousseau | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:08 PM
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24- of course, but "Hump" is still a bad choice. "White Men Can't Bump" would have been much better.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:08 PM
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25- Jews have small cocks? I didn't know that. I learn something new here every day.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:10 PM
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Really, we should be looking at population growth figures, in percentages, as proxies for fuck-ability.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:11 PM
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27: Maybe only if you go to preppy enough schools.

Now that I think of it, the Jewish counterpart stereotype may just be an attempt on the part of WASPs to salvage their reputation vis-a-vis black men, by foisting off the negative stereotype onto a white subgroup.


Posted by: Rousseau | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:13 PM
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You'd have to control for the sluttiness of the women.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:14 PM
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Some women's sluttiness just can't be controlled, Ogged.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:15 PM
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30: I'm guessing the Iranian growth rate is pretty low.
So I'm not sure that sluttiness is as big a growth factor as you think.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:16 PM
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29 - What about Yaphet Kotto and Walter Mosley, trapped between two stereotypes?


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:17 PM
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30: I'm guessing the Iranian growth rate is pretty low.

It's hard to snark successfully when you're totally ignorant, I know. Iran's population was booming, until they began a program to slow it down.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:22 PM
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33: Clearly at that point you get to have your pick of stereotypes.

"I control the media AND I can hump like a champion!"


Posted by: Rousseau | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:23 PM
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33:Sammy Davis Jr makes a more interesting test case, what with his relationship with Linda Lovelace and the Satanist orgies.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:24 PM
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36 - He converted, so unless there was a terrible accident at the bris, he's actually a poor test case.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:26 PM
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34: Shut up, Lur. (Emerson's right: it is satisfying.)


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:26 PM
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Bill O'Reilly, ladies and gentleman.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:28 PM
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a poor test case

But *interesting*. Orgies at the Church of Satan, people!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:29 PM
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I just like that volume I is called "Race and Sex in America" while volume II is "Sex and Race in America."


Posted by: Ezra | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:33 PM
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19: BAH.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:39 PM
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It took you 46 minutes to come up with that, B?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:44 PM
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I was babbling in the other thread, for most of that time, but yeah, I admit it. I kept writing Serious Responses to 19. Ones that even *I* knew were ridiculous, and more to the point, that I knew would piss off Ogged. Finally I realized that they all just boiled down to "bah," so I left it at that.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:47 PM
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We've learned to co-exist so peacefully.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 12:58 PM
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Congeniality!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:06 PM
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You can't put the congenie back in the bottle.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:07 PM
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If Jews have small penises, how do you explain Martin Peretz?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:10 PM
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More to the point, how do you explain Ron Jeremy?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:13 PM
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49 -- my eyes skipped over "Ron" and I was trying to figure out how you had discovered my secret.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:20 PM
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Why is the website called "White Men Can Thump"? There's no mention of thumping anywhere on it, as far as I can tell.


Posted by: M/ M/ | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:38 PM
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45: Exactly. When I know you're trolling, I ignore you. Anyone else, I bitch at unless/until (like apo), they admit that they're trolling. If I were physically closer to apo, I'd just kick his shin.

Either that or you're emotionally abusing me by controlling me with fear of your anger/disapproval.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:39 PM
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If I were physically closer to apo, I'd just kick his shin.

The pictures from the party tell another story, dear.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:40 PM
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Or his "kick his shin" some sort of rhyming slang for "lick his chin"?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:41 PM
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You weren't trolling me at that point.

Re. 49, presumably everyone in the biz is surgically modified.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:47 PM
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Re. 49, presumably everyone in the biz is surgically modified.

No, I'm pretty sure there's a market for uncircumcised pornstars too.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 1:59 PM
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I should have said "enhanced."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 2:03 PM
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57: So, you like 'em cut, do you? Do you just think cocks look prettier that way, or is there some sort of tactile or other issue involved?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 2:06 PM
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55 is crazy -- modified members can't perform serious porn-star feats, unless surgery has improved a lot in ways that I haven't heard about. (Which could be true -- I don't actually stay on top of medical breakthroughs in penis enlargement. But I'd think I'd have heard of it somehow.)

Semi-related breaking news: Screech used a fake cock to make his porn movie. I personally feel cheated, and I never even saw it.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 2:09 PM
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If porn dudes are surgically enhanced, it's news to me.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 2:10 PM
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I never even saw it.

You didn't miss anything.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 2:17 PM
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If jews get the white-group malcharacteristics offloaded to them, how did jewish women get know for having large breasts?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 5:32 PM
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58 misinterprets 57. Or rather I said the opposite of what I meant to say in 57.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 5:34 PM
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63: Now you're confusing me. You prefer uncircumcised? And, does what you meant to say, i.e. your intention, matter?

how did jewish women get know for having large breasts?

By having large breasts. I mean, us goyim aren't blind you know.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:39 PM
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The Humpty Dance is your chance to do the HUMP!


Posted by: Mr. B | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:47 PM
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64: My intention matters only insofar as you want to know what my motives are, which was your original questions.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:55 PM
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Paging ben w-lfs-n.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:59 PM
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Gimme a break. I'm typing and simultaneously helping my *six year old* write an *essay* about MLK.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:00 PM
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I always heard it the other way about the Jewish guys. But then my resource on the issue was mostly Jewish guys.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:14 PM
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I heard the same thing about guys who comment on blogs but don't have a blog.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:15 PM
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I give thee one break, and one for the road.

Don't spend them all in one thread.

(Or was this what you were actually asking for?)


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:15 PM
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Jewish guys have large breasts too? I've never really looked, or cared to, but if you say so.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:16 PM
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Is there a stereotype that black men are "good in bed", as in skilled, or is is there just a thing about having big penises, which makes them great in and of itself?


Posted by: DonBoy | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:17 PM
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DonBoy: There's a stereotype about 'hung' being more or less isomorphic with 'good in bed', but pretty much every enlightened being on the planet knows that it's BS.


Posted by: Nbarnes | Link to this comment | 01- 9-07 1:42 AM
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