Re: Hillary

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I don't think it's sexism that makes people call California's governor "Arnold."


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:09 PM
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Agree with slol.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:13 PM
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Yeah. I self-consciously call her 'Clinton', because when firstnaming happens to other women, it often does look like sexism. But for Clinton, it really seems to be disambiguation, and she's actively embraced it.

Even when it's not disambiguation, it's a hard call. Some men get firstnamed too: Gingrich got Newted an awful lot, and not out of disrespect.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:16 PM
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And Rudy is often "Rudy."


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:20 PM
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So what do I call her if I don't want to be supportive?


Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:23 PM
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Hitlery. See? An answer for everything.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:27 PM
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5: (Attempt to be clever by linking Redstate reconsidered; there's enough troll bait here already today.)


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:27 PM
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5: "Nightmare on Capitol Street."


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:28 PM
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5: I find "that bitch Hillary" works, but maybe not in your face enough?


Posted by: Ugh | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:29 PM
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Oh, Ugh, I'd rather you didn't.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:40 PM
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I'm still going to call her Clinton.

Schwarzenegger gets called Arnold both b/c "Schwarzenegger" is hard to spell and b/c, obviously, he's a celebrity and therefore on a first-name basis.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:41 PM
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10: no problem.


Posted by: Ugh | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:43 PM
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So what do I call her if I don't want to be supportive, but don't want to be rude, and don't want to lend any credibility to Redstate et al?


Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:49 PM
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The Junior Senator from New York.


Posted by: Ugh | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:50 PM
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In writing, I tend to use HRC.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 4:58 PM
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Hillary's one of those names that sounds like a diminutive, or something you call some thin, pale British boy when you want to see him cry.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 5:05 PM
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Or a mountaineer from New Zealand. When you want to see him cry.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 5:07 PM
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"Schwarzenegger" is hard to spell

I'm world-renown bad speller, but I can always spell Schwarzenegger. I'm not quite sure what this means.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 5:07 PM
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Slow typist, so tend to use HRC, usually without mention quotes and in sentence fragments.

I use "Hillary", but can't deny I am a little uncomfortable with it. I am much more comfortable with "Bill", and would use it to His Face.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 5:29 PM
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I have two friends who are brothers. Friend 1 currently works in DC, and Friend2 still hangs out with me in SF.

Saheli & Friend2 driving around SF on election night, pass a bar or something called Woodward's

Saheli: I wonder where Bernstein's is.
Friend2: We should bring Friend1's buddy Joe Woodward here sometime.
Saheli:Oh! Is his dad *Woodward*?
Friend2: (mockingly) Well, I would assume so, but you never know these days.
Saheli: (feeling silly). Not THE Woodward?
Friend2: I don't think so.
(other conversation)
Friend2: Did Friend1 tell you about his buddy Max?
Saheli: No?
Friend2: Max who works for Hilary?
Saheli: Who's Hilary?
Friend2: What?!
Saheli: What?! How am I supposed to know who Hilary is?!
Friend2: (raises eyebrows.)
silence.
Saheli: Oh. That Hilary.

(And no, not actually named Max or Joe.)

So yeah, I call her Clinton. I guess I'll have to shift to Hilary. I kinda like HRC, myself.


Posted by: Saheli | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 5:33 PM
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I've been using 'HRC' in comments, but 'Hillary' irl, for disambiguation.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 5:54 PM
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"HRC" is conveniently short for "Her Royal Clintoness," should that eventuality arise.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 7:08 PM
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22:No way, especially 5 times fast. I know very well what that would spooner into.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 9:42 PM
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I am also claimimg OED first use on "spooner"


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01-22-07 10:05 PM
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Why isn't it possible to run multiple strategies simultaneously?


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 01-23-07 8:46 AM
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I'm not even sure the disambiguation is needed. Sure, when/if she's elected we will need a way to distinguish her from Former President Bill Clinton, just like we do to distinguish George Herbert Walker Bush from George Walker Bush*. But in the meantime, if a Clinton is in the news, it's clear from context which is which 99.9 percent of the time. FPB Clinton is a "he", he's only quoted on political events in historical contexts like bombing Iraq in 1998, almost no one on the left has anything mean to say about him these days, etc. It's very difficult to imagine a situation in which one would not be able to tell which Clinton is being discussed. If you don't support her, you can safely call her "Clinton" and it'll be clear who you mean in all but the most pithy, sound-bite contexts.

Oooh. Former President Bill Clinton is FPB. Maybe that's the best way to do it right there.

* I always prefer "George the Second" for our current president, but the joke goes over peoples' heads... and to be really pedantic, George Washington would be George the First... and while it would be even more funny to talk about our current president as George the Third, it would also be even more confusing... so I use "Dubya" for disambiguation just like everyone else. Phooey.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 01-23-07 9:49 AM
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"HRC" is fucking pretentious.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 01-23-07 12:53 PM
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27: Or a habit from her law-firm days.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 01-23-07 12:58 PM
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27: How is that pretentious?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01-23-07 1:03 PM
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27: Yeah really? I call lots of people by their initials. It's also kinda presidential---FDR, JFK, LBJ, even GWB. There's also RFK and MLKJr.


Posted by: Saheli | Link to this comment | 01-23-07 4:21 PM
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