Re: Choose Your Own

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I'd like to pretend I hadn't read this so I could attack with impunity. (Although obviously Amanda was obviously not making a "straight" argument either, so I'm not convinced that it isn't still problematic given the standards actually applied by the witch hunt.)


Posted by: Scott Lemieux | Link to this comment | 02- 8-07 11:49 PM
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Edwards' statement said that he didn't care whether it had been satire or in fun, so you've still got some wiggle room!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02- 8-07 11:51 PM
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Uhm, Ogged, we both know the punishment for shirk.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 12:58 AM
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Which Republican Presidential candidate hired AllahPundit?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 1:55 AM
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What's your point Shearer, that Bill Donohue is ok with this stuff so long as that person isn't hired by a candidate?


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 2:00 AM
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yes, their beliefs were wrong, and yes, he knows how shocked they must be that a guy who could not stop himself from getting nailed to a fucking two-by-four is not actually the one true god.

That's nice.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 5:56 AM
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JBS, Leon Wolf (Brownback's campaign blogger) defended a Red State post (not by him) that referred to Coretta Scott King's funeral as "a Def Comedy Jam spectacle of... demands for handouts" that gave the poster "a clearer understanding of why the culture of so many black Americans in this country is below what it should be", but we haven't seen Wolf called upon to retract his claim that those statements would lead "[no] reasonable person to conclude that they thought black... people were inferior." And we're not going to. Why? Because cherrypicking blog posts is a stupid exercise, and it's okay if you're a Republican.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 7:38 AM
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It's on the front page of the Times this morning -- hopefully they'll let up soon.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 7:41 AM
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Amanda's real mistake was failing to put up a disclaimer:

To those moderate Muslims who read this site, then, I'd ask you to bear in mind that there's no malice directed here at you or your beliefs, and I apologize if any offense is given. To any radical Muslims who should read this site, I'd ask you to bear in mind that I hope you die soon, and painfully.


Posted by: Sven | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 7:49 AM
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8 - Are you shitting me? I reiterate my comment about a navel-gazing blogocentrism and a dumbfuck media ecosphere. Meanwhile, enjoy this 2006 fluff piece from the Post on Straight Talkin' John McCain hiring Terry Nelson, an unindicted co-conspirator in the DeLay criminal prosecution, to be his campaign manager.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 7:51 AM
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I chose to post the Allahpundit quote after somebody left it in comments on another post on my site because, indeed, I think that "cherrypicking blog posts is a stupid exercise." I am certain that if someone were to meticulously pour through all of the posts on my blog, they'd unearth things that I've written that would be terribly offensive to Catholics and Christians of all stripes - yet I don't hate Catholics or Christians. I don't think that Allahpundit OR Amanda Marcotte hates Catholics or Christians either.

I recognize and understand Allahpundit's "schtick" and I get that the quote presented was satirical. Isn't the "gotcha" quote from Amanda that he and the others have employed to attack Amanda with satirical, too?

Q: What if Mary had taken Plan B after the Lord filled her with his hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit?

A: You'd have to justify your misogyny with another ancient mythology.
I honestly do not see the difference, and I doubt that Bill Donohue of the Catholic League would, either.

Remember, too, that the first Malkinite attack on Marcotte/Edwards was based upon the false accusation that Marcotte had "scrubbed" her blog of offensive comments in order to deceive Edwards' staff. When this was proven to be untrue, only then did they move on to Catholic-bashing as their rallying cry.

Allahpundit dropped his entire pre-HotAir blog into the memory hole. The only way to read it now is through the archive at web.archive.org. Did Allahpundit "scrub" his electron trail to deceive Malkin? Did Malkin make a disastrously poor hiring decision with Allahpundit given that he clearly tried to deceive us/her?

It's all absurd.

The only thing I hate worse than a lynch mob is hypocrisy. If a guy who calls himself "Allahpundit" who works for a boss/website that thrives on anti-Muslim / anti-Liberal / anti-immigrant bigotry makes a big stink over Amanda Marcotte's work, then I think he's fair game.


Posted by: The Liberal Avenger | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:01 AM
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Amanda's or Allahpundit's writings satire. "Exaggerated for comic effect", sure. "Not representative of the sum of the blogger's beliefs in her personal life", sure. "Intentionally provocative to demonstrate rage against idiotic public policy", sure. "Highly partisan."

This doesn't really bother me, it's just that the "Well, in context, it's satire" doesn't seem to be meant as a synonym for "sarcastic", but an excuse, like if I were smart enough, I would have realized that they're not advocating eating Irish babies, but making a subtle criticism of English foreign policy.

Call it what it is; you're shrill and loud because that's the currency that gets you readers and a cheering fan base. Just don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[end pedantry]

Also, any fucking Catholic whining about being defamed can get in the line of people to kiss my ass. Hi! There's 64 million of you in the country. That might make you the largest Christian denomination in the country! You know what that means? You're not oppressed. You're not the Spartans, either.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:04 AM
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11: Sure he would -- one of them is from an irreligious liberal, and the other is from someone who is pals with Malkin.

Part of the jaw-dropping thing about this is that Nedra Pickler is the only reporter who has noted Bill Donohue's repeated anti-Semitic remarks. Not, "references to neo-cons are coded attacks on Jews" anti-Semitic, but "Hollywood is controlled by a cabal of Jews who hate Christianity" anti-Semitic. The way in which the bounds of acceptable discourse in the broader culture shift for right-wing culture warriors and reporters seem to simply fail to notice continues to confound and dispirit me.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:13 AM
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Oh, Cala... The rest of us must look so small when you look down upon us from your throne.


Posted by: The Liberal Avenger | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:20 AM
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You do, like wee little ants scurrying about.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:31 AM
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Hey, now. Let's not get all dick swingy.


Posted by: Sven | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:32 AM
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I promise not to swing my dick at anyone, even at the ants.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:34 AM
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All this time I thought the calabat was a metaphor.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:35 AM
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It's a satire.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:37 AM
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My penis is a literalist.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:40 AM
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Mine has just got to be hyperbole.


Posted by: Felix | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:43 AM
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As long as you haven't contracted syllepsis.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:46 AM
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Everybody's penis is a critic.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:51 AM
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Some have better taste than others.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 8:56 AM
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As long as you haven't contracted syllepsis

Oh yeah, like I'm gonna talk about my text-life with you.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 9:05 AM
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In re: 23.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 9:05 AM
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As long as you haven't contracted syllepsis.

Ah, it clears right up with a course of antistrophics.


Posted by: Felix | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 9:07 AM
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"A penis mustn't criticize other penises on grounds where it can't stand perpendicular itself." - Mark Twain


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 9:07 AM
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As far as I know Donohue was not complaining about Marcotte before she was hired by Edwards. You can say what you want on your own blog, it just may affect your future employability in political campaigns.

I suppose you could complain to Malkin about Allah but it would be kind of pointless because she is at least as abrasive as he is.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 10:46 AM
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Anyone who's got the energy to make an issue of the assholery of the right has my vote.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02- 9-07 10:48 AM
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