Re: Oh, The Memories

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Yeah, keep the sound on.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 11:04 AM
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So Ben, do you think losing your virginity will be anything like that?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 11:07 AM
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Dude, no one has more sex than w-lfs-n.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 11:08 AM
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The swedish sounds great, makes a huge difference to the animation.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 11:10 AM
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Dude, no one has more sex than w-lfs-n.

Fair, or unfair?


Posted by: Paul Provenza | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 11:11 AM
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If only it were so.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 11:18 AM
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My first time was anti-climactic.

Ha! Funny!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 12:12 PM
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My first time was anti-climactic.

My first time with Ben was anti-climactic, too.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 12:15 PM
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I didn't climax during my first time with w-lfs-n, but it wasn't so bad that I anti-climaxed. Maybe w-lfs-n just doesn't like facial hair, Apo.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 12:19 PM
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Maybe w-lfs-n just doesn't like facial hair

Physician, heal thyself.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 12:21 PM
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3: Is that sort of like the Delphic prediction about Socrates? B-wo has more sex than any other man only in that he knows truly how much sex he does not yet have?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 12:43 PM
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I think it means that I invert the standard hierarchies—I masturbate, masturbate, cry, and masturbate.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 12:49 PM
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This is the way w-lfs-n ends
This is the way w-lfs-n ends
This is the way w-lfs-n ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 1:04 PM
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It could be all that chafing. I'd cry, too.


Posted by: Paul | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 1:05 PM
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The best part about sex with w-lfs-n is the complete lack of dangling participles.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 1:10 PM
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w-lfs-n is less impenetrable than his syntax.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 1:14 PM
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I sure am glad to see this thread is all about Ben.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 2:58 PM
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Well, if I'm up to date on the status of things, 'memories' wouldn't so much apply, so harassing you would be off-topic. But we could start giving you shit anyway if you'd like.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:04 PM
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Seems to have been easier to have the other discussion last year for some reason, Teo. Sorry you missed it. Maybe later tonight.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:04 PM
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I'm okay, thanks. Just a little bemused.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:14 PM
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Excellent. Now go out and have sex with someone.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:16 PM
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Query: What does the word metaphysical mean in this She Who Must Not Be Named post?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:19 PM
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That's interesting. I think she is misusing 'metaphysical' there. I'd be tempted in casual discourse to use 'philosophical' for the concept she's pointing at, but I wouldn't do it around here.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:22 PM
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Seems to be something complicated for which I can't think of a single word, on the order of "for reasons growing out of their misunderstanding of their own beliefs and of the categories of political discourse." What H's use of "metaphysically" in this post means, of course, is that she doesn't know how to use the word properly.


Posted by: DaveB | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:30 PM
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Yeah; the concept being indicated is something like 'capacity to assemble beliefs on separate issues into a coherent worldview', which really doesn't have much to do with metaphysics.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:45 PM
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23-35:Gah. What an incredibly annoying context (I have never managed to slog through that debate) and incredibly bad articulation of an incredibly interesting and powerful concept/set of data.


Posted by: Saheli | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:51 PM
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This is, again, Hirshman's specialty. There's a really interesting discussion to be had in the area she's talking about, and yet she's coming into it enough irritatingly enough to make the conversation a difficult one to have.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:54 PM
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You all turn a thread ripe for people to talk about losing their virginity into a discussion of Hirshman? Every single one of you is banned.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 3:59 PM
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Can I keep posting if I mention that fire stairs are really uncomfortable?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:03 PM
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I lost my virginity at summer camp when I was 15, in the fieldhouse at the Appalachian State football stadium. To Linda Hirshman.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:07 PM
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Mine was to someone I was and remained ambivalent about, making for a story I don't really like to tell.


Posted by: DaveB | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:09 PM
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21: Easier said than done, but thanks for the support.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:13 PM
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23: "metaphysically irrational" s/b "fundamentally irrational" Leave the poor ontologies out of it.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:15 PM
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31: Likewise. The fire stairs were really the only entertaining bit.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:16 PM
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Let's define our terms, heteronormals. What are we counting as "losing it"?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:17 PM
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Could we assign some sort of notional sex act to Teofilo and Ben in order to end that particular line of chat? I actually don't care whether either one of them ever has sex, except to the extent that (even though it's none of my business), for reasons which no one here accepts I'd rather that they never did.

As authorized by canon law, and based on their successful completion of the Primary Sex Act (Sex Act I), I hereby declare Teofilo and Ben to be non-virgins now and infinitely into the future, thus declaring the two of them to be annoying and stupid sex maniacs like almost everyone else in the known world.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:17 PM
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I'm sure Teo has clicked on Ben's blog, and vice versa.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:20 PM
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35: I for one wasn't being heteronormative.


Posted by: DaveB | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:21 PM
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What are we counting as "losing it"?

Well,

For a straight woman: when someone puts a penis in her vagine.

For a straight guy: when he puts his penis in someone's vagina.

But I don't know how gay people figure. I think lesbians never lose their virginity, which is why guys like them so much.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:22 PM
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vagine

I blame the Jews.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:22 PM
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And, SB, I see by 37 that neither were you.


Posted by: DaveB | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:22 PM
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All I could think of was "where do I put my feet?" and "this is what people rave about?"

Later, I learnt that 19-year-olds may have energy, but older men have technique.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:27 PM
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Indeed! And if I only had the energy to exercise my technique . . . .


Posted by: Idealist | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:31 PM
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42: How big a dataset? Please don't report anecdotal results here. This is a science blog.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 4:58 PM
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It's hard to go beyond anecdotes- most people I know have only lost their virginity once.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:33 PM
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35, 39, and 45:

All wrong. The first time a guy put his dick inside my vagina, I was 15, but it was one of those "please let me put it in just a little" things. Stupid. The first time I ever had actual intercourse that involved actual hip movement was at 17, and that's the one that, in my mind, "counts." So there.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:39 PM
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I feel sorry for the poor guy who got thrown out at the plate when you were 15. Maybe a home run would have got him into the big leagues. Women are heartless.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:47 PM
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Do tell which part of 35 you consider wrong. The part where I propose defining terms? The part where I ask a question about our terms?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:48 PM
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No, on second thought, don't. Delight in your having annoyed me.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:49 PM
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48: Sometimes you very existence is the problem, SB. Not for me by any means, but for some people I could name.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:50 PM
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48: Oops, my bad; what I meant was that 35 is right, defining terms matters. 'Scuse.

47: Got thrown out at the plate, nothing. He was a pushy asshole who had some kind of fetish about popping girls' cherries; he'd done the same thing, before me, with another girl, and as soon as he and I "put it in a little," he dumped me and made a play for my little sister. I wasn't heartless. I was too nice to the jerk.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:50 PM
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But I am pleased to have annoyed you by making an obvious mistake that you could clearly have inferred. :)


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:52 PM
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Corresponding oops to 49. Sorry.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:52 PM
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No need, seriously. I am genuinely sorry for the feeling of annoyance, but honestly amused by it as well. You'd have to go a pretty long way to bother me, SB.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:55 PM
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Whatever, B, you don't get to choose which one counts.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:56 PM
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55: If I self-identify as black, Ogged, who are you to tell me different?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 5:59 PM
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Had intercourse at 16 with a 23yo woman. In the back of a van. Parked. We were interrupted before completion, which may have been for the best as we were foolishly not using any protection.

Had safer and more satisfactory sex about a year later, with my then-girlfriend. It was painful for her the first few times; for rhetorical purposes let's assume that this was due in equal part to (a) my youthful horny clumsiness and (b) my massive endowment.


Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:03 PM
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Speaking for the fags, I'd say the minimum requirements are some (unspecified) degree of undress, some amount of fumbling not directed at oneself, and some spillage-of-seed on the part of at least one participant.

For the ladies of Lesbos, I cannot speak, although it seems like it might be similar; minus, of course, the seed.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:05 PM
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and some spillage-of-seed on the part of at least one participant.

Does it matter which part it's spilled upon?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:09 PM
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58 sounds right to me, although I know some younger gay men who only consider buttsex (the good kind) a virginity-breaker.


Posted by: DaveB | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:10 PM
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There has to be a central authority for deciding these questions, with a rule book and maybe calipers or something to measure with.

51. OK, I misunderstood. Looks like the guy stole home because the catcher took her eye off the ball.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:10 PM
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Emerson, if someone wants to tell me something, they can tell me. Your assistance isn't necessary.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:10 PM
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62 to 50.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:11 PM
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tsk. YOU know. The part.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:12 PM
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My helpfulness is unappreciated yet again. That's OK, I'm used to this.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:12 PM
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I find B's "put it in a little" story amusing. I'd heard guys say that in books or movies but have never actually known somebody who had someone say that to them (or, at least, admit it). I thought it was a myth/joke.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:12 PM
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I heard "I'll only put it in a little" cited as a standard con back about 1970. Maybe it's mostly obsolete by now.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:14 PM
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60: I've heard that kind of talk too, but I think it's crazy. There are too many experienced gay guys out there who don't like buttsex at all. I don't think it's right to assume they die virgins.

I think the ultimate criterion is whatever it takes to elicit a "OHMYGODI'MHAVINGSEX!ICAN'TBELIEVEI'MHAVINGSEX! kind of mental state, and something like 58 did it fine for me with no penetration necessary.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:17 PM
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My (heterosexual) high-school activities were confined to the classic "everything but," which I am now kind of inclined to think doesn't quite count as virginity. On the one hand, I did think of good old penis-in-vagina sex as a major threshold before it happened, but from the other side it seemed like much less of a big deal than the move from fumbling around and making out to giving head.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:17 PM
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My ... activities were confined to the classic "everything but,"

At the Mineshaft.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:21 PM
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39: I find it humorous that, in ogged's mind, the stars of the film "Blowjobs and Anal IV: Who's Knocking at the Back Door Now?" could all be virgins.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:27 PM
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Anal IV is different, Brock.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:28 PM
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There are too many experienced gay guys out there who don't like buttsex at all.

Dan Savage, who is a terrible family-values prude.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:31 PM
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It's a series, ogged. There're up to about XVI now, last time I noticed.

(I made up the subtitle though. Didn't seem wise to google from work, and --never having seen any of the filth myself, obviously -- I don't know it off the top of my head.)


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:31 PM
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62: SB, I think you'll find that comment mirrored over at your own blog. Are you feeling testy today? Something you want to share?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:33 PM
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44: A sufficiently large dataset to ensure that subsequent analysis confirmed the initial observation.

45: My sophomore year roommate lost her virginity several times. And that was before one could fly to Japan and have one's hymen surgically replaced ["Be the girl he thought you were..."] Junior year, she decided to remain a virgin until some med student came up with a transparent crystal of tetrahedrally bonded carbon atoms.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 6:33 PM
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Teo could yet be younger, when he loses his, than was I when I lost mine.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:13 PM
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Why does 77 make me think of "I could not love thee, dear, so much / Loved I not honor more"?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:17 PM
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I don't know—soldiers get lots of action.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:20 PM
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I think actually it's something to do with a little heroic couplet mental concatenation I just discovered that I have, which goes:

I could not love thee, dear, so much
Loved I not honor more.
I was so much older then;
I'm younger than that now.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:24 PM
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Those aren't heroic couplets.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:27 PM
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Damme.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:28 PM
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Comments about comments like 81 being the cause for the truth of 77 hereby predacted.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:28 PM
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Nor even couplets, as written.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:28 PM
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I wonder what came over me there. I blame both bourbon and society.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:32 PM
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It might have been snarkout.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:36 PM
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I wonder what came over me there

Who, not what.


Posted by: Clownaesthesiologist | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:37 PM
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Pwned.


Posted by: Clownaesthesiologist | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 8:37 PM
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Cowardly couplets is what they were.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-12-07 9:39 PM
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I also lost post-Teo.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 02-13-07 1:42 PM
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