Re: The military, real and imagined

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When I was in high school, a regular public high school full of conservative teachers and unenlightened students who giggled about things like being gay, we watched a film on art and the Nazis, and how the Nazis didn't like gays and didn't like degenerate art, and the film showed artwork deemed acceptable to the Nazis, and we all noticed, though it escaped the notice of the Nazis, that all their statues of buff Aryan men were really really really gay.

The buzz about Sparta is exactly the same.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:18 PM
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Speaking of 300, has anyone read any good books about homoerotica and fascist aesthetics?

Far as the Army goes, anyone who knows people serving in Iraq -- or is interested in the war generally -- really should read The Deserter's Tale. It's a harrowing glimpse at the sort of things that soldiers rarely tell civilians on the home front.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:21 PM
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Calapwned, I see.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:23 PM
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Do you like gladiator movies, Bobby?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:33 PM
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books about homoerotica and fascist aesthetics?

Theweleit is a bit of a loon, but Male Fantasies is full of amazing material, though much more about images of women than men.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:33 PM
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You know, aside from the costumes, I thought it was a lot, lot less gay than Return of the King. Far fewer soul-searching looks into limpid pools of blue, &c.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:44 PM
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The positive reviews compare it to gory ballet.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:47 PM
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6. If I had half a brain I could remember the URL of the LOTR secret diaries. Laugh out loud funny, which doesn't go at this office.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:49 PM
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One of the presenters at our conference was both gay and an Iraq war veteran. Interesting guy.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:50 PM
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taking on the effete, decadent elites of the HRC.

What does "HRC" mean in this context?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:52 PM
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8: Here they are. I haven't reread them, but I remember hurting myself laughing at them when I first saw them.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:56 PM
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Human Rights Campaign.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:56 PM
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6: Isn't that more a het thing? I haven't seen the movie, so can't compare them.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 1:58 PM
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Yeah, it's really buff and takes great bravery to oppose the Human Rights Council. Why, it's practically the same as standing under a hail of arrows so numerous they blot out the sun!

Christ, what an idiot.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:01 PM
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http://www.ealasaid.com/misc/vsd
The Very Secret Diaries!


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:03 PM
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5: Yeah, I've got the Theweleit already. I'm hoping to find something a bit less heavily Freudian -- maybe a forlorn hope given the subject matter.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:06 PM
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14: It was more about challenging the HRC's dominance as a gay rights group (or its dominance as perceived by Sullivan)--he's gay and seems to have a bit of a running feud with the HRC, and this is another installment in that.


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:32 PM
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16:Here is a book at Amazon

Here is the start of something tho I am not even sure who the author is. Discusses Wyndham Lewis & Frederic Jameson in pomo? language.

I got into this at Pandagon, need to search their archives but I did find a good article online


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:36 PM
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Thanks for the fortnightly sighting of a Wyndham Lewis reference, Bob; I'm happy now. Hope you've got more game than JM.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:42 PM
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Hoisting Your Flags for the State here is Marcotte on Riefenstahl, mostly about misogyny & fascism

Johann Hari ...and here is an article on gay European fascists


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:45 PM
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Thanks for those links, Bob, that's helpful.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:52 PM
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13: No, I'm thinking of Sam and Frodo's trip into Mordor. Very, very homoerotic.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 2:57 PM
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Speaking of your conference, Teo, how did the boob-honking work out for you?


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 3:30 PM
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8: 6. If I had half a brain I could remember the URL of the LOTR secret diaries. Laugh out loud funny, which doesn't go at this office."

A shame that there isn't a search engine, in which you could drop "LOTR secret diaries" and instantly find what you were looking for.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 3:49 PM
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I was so busy I didn't have time to even attempt any boob-honking. It was a highly successful conference nonetheless.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 3:49 PM
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Priorities, young man, priorities.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 3:50 PM
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I was so busy I didn't have time to even attempt any boob-honking

As has often been said, youth is wasted on the young.


Posted by: Idealst | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 3:54 PM
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Some of the most likely honkees are hosting their own conference in two weeks, so all is not lost. Assuming my passport arrives in time, that is.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 3:55 PM
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A shame that there isn't a search engine, in which you could drop "LOTR secret diaries" and instantly find what you were looking for.

I took that as a hint that it wasn't really worth searching for.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 4:12 PM
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24. That is in fact what I did, witness 15, which was me, but thanks for the help. I do try to do other things with my day than comment here


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 4:49 PM
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I do try to do other things with my day than comment here

I don't think you understand how this place works, TLL.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 4:51 PM
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Hey does Sullivan fancy himself a libertarian? This would be news to me. Or is his reader just using "libertarian" in a vague way to mean "Republican, but less obviously evil"?


Posted by: Clownaesthesiologist | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 6:40 PM
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"Republican on drugs" and "out gay Republican" work. Evil is optional and not a decider.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 6:50 PM
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Hey does Sullivan fancy himself a libertarian? This would be news to me. Or is his reader just using "libertarian" in a vague way to mean "Republican, but less obviously evil"?

I only read him very sporadically (mostly when someone links to him), but Sullivan been calling himself a "libertarian," as well as a "conservative," for years and years.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 9:22 PM
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he's gay and seems to have a bit of a running feud with the HRC

The "Human Rights Champagne" is the Sierra Club of gay rights. They are often criticized for being a staid, greedy organization, only responsive to the complaints of their (largely) well-off, (largely) white, (largely) urban constituents. Marc Jacobs recently produced a line of expensive HRC commemorative t-shirts. What's funny about Sullivan's remarks is that he is exactly the HRC's kind of person.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 9:51 PM
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"Libertarian", on the internet, means "conservative who likes to smoke pot."


Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 03-12-07 11:21 PM
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Funny how Jim Guckert/Jeff Gannon is out of the spotlight now. Has Bush got a replacement?


Posted by: dave heasman | Link to this comment | 03-13-07 6:47 AM
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