You should watch it, Labs. Try Explorer, if you've already tried FF.
Labs, you have totally got to see the little giggle about 25 seconds in.
She gets to talk exactly as much as she wants to since Bob Wright lets himself get steamrolled. It's all art! It's very important to her! But she's deeply, substantively passionate about feminism!
The ability to interrupt without looking rude, and refuse to be interrupted while making your interlocutor look rude, is incredibly powerful in an argument, and Althouse has it down.
There are no situations right wingers will not analogize to WWII, are there?
Apostropher, your arguments are quick and decisive, like a lightning war against poorly equipped Polish soldiers.
Damn, harder than it looks. I could never join the right.
It's not working for me, LB, but maybe that's because I distrust her so much.
What I'd really like to see somebody ask Althouse about is the nasty tone of her comments section.
It's absolutely fascinating to compare her treatment of Bob here--simper, simper, giggle--with her treatment of GFR. Especially if you click over to her post, "Let's take a look at those breasts," where she's attacking Jessica for acting girly.
Wow. Just, wow. I think I'm finally over the line into hating this bitch.
My argument is a Maginot Line, dude. You can just circle around it and come up from behind.
Jesus Christ, what a narcissist. Does she ever say a sentence that doesn't include the words "me" or "I"?
But watch out, Labs. Circling apo's Maginot Line leads to the Miracle at Dunkirk. There's lots of seamen involved.
Watching Bob roll his eyes is fabulous.
There are no situations the Unfoggedtariat will not analogize to sex, are there?
Wright is visibly uncomfortable that she might freak out on him.
And she's visibly *not* freaking out on him. Presumably because he's a regular on the show (one of the people who runs it?) and, you know, has a penis.
15 may only be true of the first 10 minutes or so.
Wright has a familar look of a professor being very, very careful with an overexcited, unpredictable student, and I'm sure Althouse has a lot of experience performing /charming/ and /smart/ to male professors.
Is it just me, or is all this "there are boobs all over her blog" thing really just a version of "she was asking for it"?
I once heard about this blogger who got brought up before the ethics commission for "dating"(screwing) several of his commenters. Yeah, he was the one that would fly off the handle and then apologize adorably.
20: If I had blog, I might ask for boobs all over it.
21 to 19, and pretty much to 20.
It's "she was asking for it" masked with an afterthought of "we disagree on substantive feminist grounds, I think," now covered up with "but isn't it a kind of funny coincidence?"
Sorry to go OT, guys, but this is exciting: Looks like Rove may have destroyed emails after being told specifically not to by Patrick Fitzgerald.
Can you say "Federal offense"? I'm giddy here.
I'll refer back to this and add now that she's a slippery, manipulative bullshitter. Surely there's some limit to how unlikable she can be.
Another thing that bugs me is that since this stupid breast controversy began, Althouse's line has been "I don't know Jessica's writing, I don't read her blog, but here are the pictures I saw." At this point, if Althouse hasn't read more of Valenti's blog, it's so that she can keeping claiming this: she's keeping herself ignorant on purpose, for this stupid rhetorical game. That's fucking annoying.
Oh, and "boobs all over it" always sounded like "asking for it" to me. The antifeminist code of that entire episode was so nauseating.
Fucking Althouse.
"The thing that set me off was I went to her web site and realized that breasts are her stock and trade! She has this tote bag for sale, and it has this image of the woman with the breasts!"
Unfogged: An eclectic web magazine festooned with breasts.
26: Hey, why are you interrupting our catty discussion about bloggers and boobs to talk about corruption at the highest levels of government? Where are your priorities!
ogged, why isn't 31 the hover over text yet?
26: Can you also say "Liar liar pants on fire" to anyone who is today saying that those emails are irrevocably destroyed? It might, possibly, maybe, be impossible to find them. But odds are that they're backed up somewhere, whether or not Rove deleted them, and anyone who's done discovery knows that -- if spokespeople are claiming the emails are gone beyond hope of recovery, before some real effort has gone into finding backups, then they're incompetent or hiding something or both.
OK, what really pissed me off was hurrying to Jessica's site and seeing hardly any breasts. What a gyp!
[So did anyone here know how to spell "gyp" before learning that it was a slur? I always assumed "gip," and had no idea whence it came.]
35: Uncanny. I actually checked that before I left the comment.
if spokespeople are claiming the emails are gone beyond hope of recovery, before some real effort has gone into finding backups, then they're incompetent or hiding something or both.
Well, in fairness, we're talking about Republicans, so I don't think we should limit the options to both. There's probably some third, even worse option that they've managed to create. Like the backups were used to drown orphans, or something.
Can a person's chest be festooned with boobs, even though she only had the standard pair of boobs, simply because they are very perky boobs and she is a festive person, or is there some minimum number that constitutes a festooning?
Unfogged: An eclectic web magazine festooned with breasts boobs cocks.
Who's the figure represented a having many breasts, like a sow, in antiquity?
The problem is that I can't actually watch Althouse for more than a few minutes. God, she sucks.
It just occurred to me, the best-case scenario: they recover the emails, complete with proof that Rove willfully deleted them. Two birds with one stone!
Can a person's chest be festooned with boobs
Or pontooned with boobs?
the backups were used to drown orphans, or something.
Excellent, JRoth.
(Pittsburgh still sucks.)
43: Durga, except that it was the severed heads of men.
"Festooned with breasts" = "breastooned".
Oh, Jesus motherfucking Christ. Listening to her giggle and flirt at Bob is just sickening. Hee hee! Hee hee!
Wow, it took an effort of will to make it through a third of that (on another computer). I'm not a reliable narrator on this, but she does come across badly, as I see it. Very quick to sound as though she's about to come unglued, especially when Bob is criticizing the original post.
(Pittsburgh still sucks.)
I'd dispute that, but I'm still recovering from the 40 degree Opening Day temps.
But at least our team hasn't relocated to Milwaukee.
I like her better when she's drunk.
"I write with a lot of art and humor."
Pff!
For that matter, I like her better when I'm drunk.
While not forgetting that Althouse has been repeatedly nasty to people, I'm starting to feel guilty and uncomfortable ridiculing her. There's something unsettling about her, worse than Pam Atlas because she's less hateable andmayby more fragile.
Apo, this conversation about Althouse is going to end in us having sex, isn't it?
It is difficult to watch her, and apo explains why in 10. She never stops talking about herself, except momentarily to talk about what others are saying about her.
58: I believe this is the very definition of "pathetic."
this conversation about Althouse is going to end in us having sex
With Althouse, yes. It will be the best liveblogging ever.
I wonder if she ever reads these threads?
less hateable andmayby more fragile
...which seems to end in comments like this:
"dougwamble wrote on Apr 12 at 12:17
All About Ann
Not to be sexist, but am I the only one that finds the thought of Ann listening to bhtv in the tub kinda sexy?"
On the off chance that she's reading: wattle arms, Ann, wattle arms. Not to mention those bags under her eyes; probably from the long drive, but you can't recover so quickly from things like that at her age.
Alternate title for this post:
Never Mind the Ballots Here's The Chest Pictures
I can't bring myself to watch it either, but I am intrigued by the header, "Ann embraces the left's hatred of her (12:12)"
And obviously, she does. But do they mean in the sense that Ann Coulter embraces the left's hatred of her -- that it brings her attention and delights her fans, that she deliberately attempts to inflame or exaggerate 'the left's hatred' because she gets off on it so much? Or is it some bullshit about how she triumphs over the adversity of all those meanies through the power of positive thinking?
I love how Bob keeps letting her speak, but then reminding her that she has, in fact, been speaking the whole time. "Don't get mad at me, Bob. Because I could get mad, too."
And when Annie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
58: I think that we're at the place where you stop calling someone a retard because you realize that they really are a retard. She seems to be genuinely losing it.
"Don't get mad at me, Bob. Because I could get mad, too."
58: Speaking of Atlas Pam, this post is not to be missed.
It's not hatred, Ann. We just like trainwrecks.
Poor Simon. I'm half tempted to wander over and post: "Simon. Althouse isn't going to fuck you, so pull up your pants."
71: Are all of her fans insane, too, then? It's not like she's someone who is losing all the fans who jerk off her narcissistic ego all day long.
Don't crush him, Cala. Deep in his heart, he just knows he could make her triceps quiver with antici...pation.
71 - and because we're such sensitive people, it's happening far earlier than it did with the general public and Britney Spears.
earlier than it did with the general public and Britney Spears.
If Ann Althouse flashes her lady bits on bloggingheads.tv, I will stop mocking her.
"I thought she was sort of flattering herself and being coy in a way that annoyed me."
Pot, meet kettle.
I felt bad for her during the GFR and American Idol drunkvlogging, but she's acquired a fresh set of self-rationalisations!
God, this is giving me a migraine. I thank the good Lord in heaven and all that is holy that I am not Bob Wright during that hour of his life. Having to manage crazies is my personal hell.
What on infinite earths? This thing goes on for more than half an hour?
Is this actually some people's entertainment?
It's like an hour and twenty minutes, isn't it?
Oh yes it is, Apo. And I'm going to savor every last one.
For some reason, Labs reminds me of a conversation I had in my MA program with a bunch of grad students. We once got really drunk and started asking each other who the last professor they'd fuck in our department was, followed by the first. We got around to this one semi-creepy guy (whom I sorta loved), who, it turns out, was a heroin addict, and asked him.
Us: "Who's the last professor in the department you'd fuck, Bill?"
Bill: "Jane Schmoe." (A prof with whom he'd had a long-standing and bitter feud.)
Us: "Who's the first professor you'd fuck?"
Bill (Pounding one fist into his open hand and snarling): "Jane Schmoe."
And then you all moved away from him on the bench.
I don't even want to think about that in my department.
There's no way I could watch another one of these.
I gotta say, I think Bob Wright is a pretty intelligent and interesting guy, and judging from his TED talk, a very good public speaker. Why he chooses to waste his time with this stuff is a real mystery to me.
That's an awesome story, AWB. What was the feud about?
88 is great. So for that matter is 68, which has gone too long unrecognized.
85 is genius. I love you, Labs.
26: You *can* say "federal offense," but you'll just be shouted down by someone saying "if there are no emails, then there's no evidence they were deleted" or some horseshit like that.
67: Bad form, Ogged.
70, 72: Only *she doesn't* get mad. You can see the anger go over her face for a second, and then she smiles and simpers again. Dear god, I am hating this woman.
67: Bad form, Ogged.
I don't think you understand.
95: I do understand, and given that the whole Althouse boob hangup is all about this whole women's looks thing, I think you'd be better advised to go with "Althouse is a dumb harpy" or something along those lines.
"The beauty of women is a huge part of the world," she says, with her hands clasped and a pleading look on her face. Can I please just bash her now?
You gotta hit 'em where it hurts, B. If I call her dumb, she can rationalize it away, but wattle arms are wattle arms, no matter who points them out.
better advised to go with "Althouse is a dumb harpy" or something along those lines.
Nasty old crone, perhaps?
I think I remember being okay with the crone thing at the time, actually.
98: Do you care at all about avoiding obvious and predictable collateral damage? Or the fact that you're invoking the same kind of sexist bullshit that Althouse herself is using, and that her use of it and denial that it should bother anyone is part of what's making her look like such a fucking idiot?
Did she just say that she thinks it's wrong to criticize women who try to look attractive? What. A. Bitch.
We've been over this. I think we're going to bore people soon. Let's talk about cookies.
B, you carry Althouse in a special part of your heart, don't you?
I've ignored her up until now, but your obsession is starting to rub off on me.
Cookies are good. Bring me some.
Huh. She also claimed in this Bloggingheads that Clinton was totally staring at Jessica's boobs. I just clicked back to the picture ogged linked to, and not only is Clinton rather obviously looking over Jessica's head, Jessica herself is rather obviously slouching a bit. Stand up straighter, Jessica! Also, Jane Hamsher is rocking a Diane von Furstenberg wrap-around dress.
I guess so. That's just not very interesting.
106: It's the arm fat: it's telling her to lie.
Fuck you for forcing me to watch that.
I'm not watching. I swore off and am keeping to my resolution.
Based on his picture, Robert Wright seems like a very low-affect guy. And based on his picture, Eric Alterman looks a lot like Josh Marshall.
98: Yeah. Most people just use the insults that would hurt if applied to them. The true art is figuring out what would apply the most paint to your target. I don't have the patience to study AA in depth but I agree, I suspect her sexual attractiveness would be the most vulnerable point.
Robert Wright seems like a very low-affect guy
The original review.
112: Prescient in a number of ways, e.g.,
I'm surprised the camera on Wright's end didn't slowly pan to the ground, as if nodding off.
But also,
My guess is that for it to have a chance, one of the participants should be a woman.
which kind of came back to bite you in the ass. You got what you wanted!
Most people just use the insults that would hurt if applied to them. The true art is figuring out what would apply the most paint to your target.
I seem to have an instinctive ability to do this, but I hardly ever do it. In high school I never raised my voice, and I sort of talked in a monotone, and now and then people egged me on to yell at somebody. One girl told me I could yell at her in an insulting way for the amusement of all, so I suddenly said "Shut up, toots! You try to dress sexy, but you're still fat! And nobody respects you!" Somehow I was surprised when she got offended. I thought they wanted me to offer up as appropriate an insult as possible, but they were taken aback.
Holy crap, now she's fucking defending Imus. Can we please, please, just, like, drown her in a sack or something?
(Yes, I've been watching it in parts all day long.)
I think she was trying to say that she knows that Bill Clinton, when sharing a room with those boobs, would be checking 'em out. From there it's not too far of a leap to wondering whether she was sent for that purpose.
God, seriously, this is making me crazy. Now "Mr. Bean" is "American culture," and the woman British prisoner was dressed in an outfit that Ann, herself, would be embarrassed to go out in.
Gee whiz, Ann, serious political commentary here. Bob Wright is starting to look like he thinks she's completely insane and maybe so is he for having ever agreed to go on with her. I'll be surprised if she appears on BHTV again, seriously. How many times can he say, ". . . yeeaaah, okay. . . ."
She said Mr Bean was American culture?
"Let's talk about your (Bob's) NYT column," she says, and then goes on to giggle and simper about her own experience writing for the NYT.
Gah. Thank god this is the end of the show, b/c words are really failing me at this point.
Fuck you for making me aware that she said Mr. Bean was American culture. I had only watched the first thirty minutes.
Obviously you need to go on BHTV with Althouse.
117: She did. And just now she mentioned one of Bob's columns again, and then--seriously--lowered her voice, softened it, and said--all breathy--"wanna talk about it?"
121: Seriously, I would just be sitting there with my jaw hanging open by the end of the show. I mean, some of this shit, you just can't even respond to. It's insane.
Now "Mr. Bean" is "American culture,"
Oh my lord.
lowered her voice, softened it, and said--all breathy--"wanna talk about it?"
See? She's not so bad. Simon understands.
Snerk, Bob says, "we would encourage ideas . . . for Ann." Meaning, who the fuck should we put on with this nutcase?
No. Fucking. Way.
Let's put Labs on with her.
I'm still holding out for Daniel Davies.
I think she should go on with someone who neither knows nor cares anything about politics and has vague hipsterish ideas that both parties are the same because otherwise his cynicism would be challenged. Most musicbloggers would be good for this.
Of course, I mean "go on" in the sense of "I do declare, you do go on!" Not in the sense of doing some pointless vlog tb show.
I should volunteer at this point that I turned down an invitation to go on BHTV, but this was all before Ann made it famous.
G, didn't you also volunteer that a reporter called you asking for a reaction to the original Althouse meltdown? Is your other pseudonym famous?
Are you a font of identifying information, G?
As someone who defended Franke-Ruta in her confrontation with Althouse, I have to say I found Wright completely inadequate.
One example: Wright totally conceded the idea that Valenti's web site contained these anti-feminist caricatures of women with exaggerated breasts. Is anyone - including Althouse - confused about the irony of placing mud-flap caricatures on a blog called "feministing"?
G's pseudonym is hilariously thin. If you know something.
idn't you also volunteer that a reporter called you asking for a reaction to a reaction to the original Althouse meltdown?
No. I said once I was emailed by a (small-time) reporter about a blogger meltdown. Not Althouse. There are so many blogger meltdowns. You'd be amazed at the non-entities reporters will ask for comment on things when a deadline is approaching.
Probably I shouldn't have brought it up. Anyways, there are lots of thinonyms round here but I ain't never outed nobody.
Speaking of King Lear, it turns out that in Norway this is Kong Lear, because Kong is King in Norweigian. Which naturally leads to the question, what was King Kong called in Norway?
Hmm.
On King Kong: not many people know that the film is known as "King Kong" in every country in the world except one. That exception is Sweden, where the word for "King" is "Kong". Hence in Sweden, the film about the giant ape always used to be known as "Kong King".
I think I may be the only person I know online who has never read King Lear.
You mean that barrel-jumping dude is actually the king of the donkeys?
That game makes so much more sense now!
I think I've only read the first little bit of it, so I haven't read it either. I have seen Ran a bunch of times though.
I have a cousin in Norway who I could ask, but politeness forbids calling out of the blue with a random question.
149: That's what e-mail is for.
politeness forbids calling out of the blue with a random question.
Fuck that shit. Call away.
I think a staging of King Lear where the lead is played by a guy in an ape suit would be pretty awesome. Once Lear starts raging he could do that entertaining beating the chest and shrieking thing that guys in ape suits do.
150: Norway might be too close to Sweden.
that entertaining beating the chest and shrieking humping high school boys thing that guys in ape suits do
153: Ah yes, the painful memories, I'd forgotten about that.
I wish ogged could.
I don't remember any high school boy characters in the cast of King Lear, apo.
He may have to venture into the audience.
Ooh, just like in Cats! Or even better, this!
A silverback gorilla as Lear would be pretty awesome.
Sure, you'd have to cut a lot of his lines, but imagine the pathos as the sad, aging King tears ofs the Duke of Cornwall's arm and beats him with it.
hm, i have to say, that although not reading all the blog posts AA made on this, just the LGM snarks, she looks shifty, but not really Evil.
I watched the video (at least the breastgate related segments), and the video of her going apeshit on GFR
she was much more sympathetic this go around
she's like the kid who got caught with her hand in the cookie jar, but with much more elaborate excuses
G's pseudonym is hilariously thin. If you know something.
...like what her real name is.
I regret posting 138; it was childish in a "I know a secret!" way.
Is anyone - including Althouse - confused about the irony of placing mud-flap caricatures on a blog called "feministing"?
So you're saying feminists aren't the ones who want to sexualize women, remove all of their modesty, remove men's respect for them by forcing them to compete with men for jobs, and then tell them that they did them a favor?
what was King Kong called in Norway?
Dunno, but in Denmark he's Kong King. Really.
165: Dr. Laura, I'm a little confused here. I thought this week we were supposed to be despising feminists because they are man-haters who are opposed to healthy sexual expression. I thought next week was the week we were scheduled to despise feminists for being promiscuous.
I must have missed a bulletin.
The men I compete with respect me, or I crush them.
The funniest thing about this whole flap is Althouse's obsession with Monica Lewinsky. She repeatedly says that the photo would make people think of Lewinsky. No, Ann, it made you think of Lewinsky.
170: Ever since 9/11, I'm out raged by Chappaquiddick Monica Lewinsky.
