Hunting is not a fitness activity. Any sport you can do while drunk where your equipment does most of the work is not a fitness activity.
I note that Brownback shares ogged's love for the beribboned elliptical trainers.
Being hunted, on the other hand, is great exercise.
I'm really warming to the Brownback fella.
How awesome if someone would have said "Having sex with Kucinich's wife"?
Or just, "Kucinich's wife." I guess no one really wants the youth vote.
"Cross training" is not an activity, Chris Dodd, you poser. The only ones I actually believe are Edwards, Huckabee and Brownback.
I would have liked to see at least one "Fitness?" response. Whatever happened to government by the sedentary and hard-drinking? Where's Tip O'Neil these days?
Hunting doesn't count unless they're literally running down deer on foot and killing them with a knife.
Golf: also not exercise.
Oh yeah, Obama. Does he still play? I know Edwards runs, because he wears that big runners watch, and Huckabee is keeping off the weight, and Brownback is clearly a crazy man after my own heart.
Well, it can be as much exercise as fast walking -- if you aren't in a cart, you're walking. I don't know what kind of distance 18 holes is, though.
On my screen the ad makes Clinton's bump to the next line, so I only saw the first line that said:
"Hillary Rodham Clinton: Speed "
It's a lot of walking, but it's slow and fitful. Verdict: not exercise.
Kucinich's response should have been, 'my wife".
Amateur golfers are an unhealthy, overweight bunch.
Anyway, I hate anyone who manages to exercise regularly. I've been getting to the gym once a week for the last couple of months, and I can't seem to make it more frequent. I blame society.
Well, it can be as much exercise as fast walking
You might want to go watch some guys golf.
I think Obama must be still playing. He looks fit, and he doesn't look trained fit.
This reminds me that I haven't been to a gym in over two years.
There is "speed golf." But then you might as well run.
I wish someone had said "12 oz curls."
Or the "work out with 1lb weight" thingies in women's magazines.
Hunting shipwrecked cruise ship passengers for sport on my private island.
From 15: Among survey respondents...nine percent admitted to drinking 10 or more beers during a round of golf.
Jesus.
No, that's the answer to "Who's your personal hero."
I realize it's at best a crass ancestor of the "Mrs. Kucinich" response but I'd still be pretty amused if one of them had stared into the middle distance for a moment and then looked at the interviewer and said, "...Fuckin'."
LB, how does once a week for the past several months not count as "regularly"?
I am such a slug.
Better yet, "sodomy." It's important to lock up the LB vote early.
lock up the LB
I said sodomy, not bondage.
Oh, it's regular, but not frequent enough to actually get any fitter. I do assume that I'm deteriorating more slowly than I would if I never got to the gym, but that's about it.
A friend's new doctor told her recently that at a minimum, she should be engaging in a full hour of vigorous exercise every day, and that no, her half-hour brisk walks to and from campus did not count. Jesus! No thank you.
34: Was he making pelvic thrusts and wiggling his eyebrows?
Really? Does your friend have some health issue related to fitness?
That's just stupid, and the doctor should be smacked. Talking like that makes people feel as if moderate exercise is worthless, and it just isn't. Even my pathetic hour a week is keeping me a lot fitter than if I weren't doing it.
I don't know what kind of distance 18 holes is. Depends on how they're laid out. Side by side, it's around 28'. End to end, probably about 94'. That's assuming average height ~5'6", average widht ~30".
No, she's healthy as a horse, and slender to boot. I would have laughed in the doctor's face and asked her if she exercised that way. My own doctor, who is in a poorer part of town and furthermore has a much greater resemblance to a human being, was thrilled to bits when I told her about my identical walking habits.
In that case, LB is totally right. What a maroon.
Of course, for the henchmen and minions, there are regular intramural contests: softball, flag football, the Pit of Wolves...
33: You can get fitter from sodomy?
Also, I second smacking the stupid doctor. That's not just wrong, it's really wrong.
You know, if most people did nothing but park a little further out and walk to the office daily, we'd have a much healthier nation. That doctor's not doing her any favors.
I work on the first floor of a two floor building (plus a basement with some classrooms.) Twelve or so people have their offices on the second floor. All but two use the elevator to get to the first floor. The two that don't are European.
It's amazing how so many places seem to go out of their way to make it harder for you to do the "little things". Like there's no way for me to take the stairs at work. You have to take the elevator. The doors to the stairs set off alarms. Sure, I go to the gym, but I bet taking the stairs for the 3-5 times a day I have to go to the conference room three floors up would be a good thing.
"You know, if most people did nothing but park a little further out and walk to the office daily, we'd have a much healthier nation. "
Yeah, but if this were a healthier nation, I'd be lower on the hottness bell curve.
Eat up, suckers.
Also, the elevator in my building is slower than the stairs and the stairs are big and easy to find.
47: yeah, I'm amazed at how many people in my building use the elevator to go down one flight.
You'd think simple embarassment and pride would make them take the stairs.
42: Also, I second smacking the stupid doctor.
Yes. According to the cardiologist they sent me to last week, a half-hour at 3mph up a 4% grade counts as "moderate" exercise. I'd agree; there's a little sweating but it's not at all difficult to get through.
"Any sport you can do while drunk where your equipment does most of the work is not a fitness activity."
50 comments later and nobody's taken the bait?
I have to admit to taking the lift at work (2 floors) more often than I should. In my defense, the stairs do sometimes aggravate a minor but chronic knee injury.
Also, I concur with the doctor smacking.
My GP is similar about alcohol. I told her how much I drink (comfortably less than the UK recommended healthy limit most weeks) and got a lecture.
49: Or impatience. I have mostly no pride, but I'll be damned if I'm going to wait in front of our ridiculously slow elevators just to go one floor.
One day in the future, a presidential candidate will answer this question with "doctor smacking".
55: I understand a life of crime is high stress, but I wouldn't call that exercise. How tough is it to sell a penis that "fell off the back of a truck?"
53: I have to ask - what is the UK recommended healthy limit on booze, and how much mileage can we get out of comparing it to whatever the US version is?
UK recommended healthy limit on booze
Go with the Irish recommended limit.
I think for the Irish, it's a recommended minimum, not limit. (Or is that just my relatives?)
I want one of 'em to admit to DDR.
re: 58
Between 3 and 4 units a day, or around 21 per week, is the current advice.
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069189/
No barehanded fisticuffs? No bullfighting? Again I say, what a pack of complete fucking sissies.
In my old job, I took the elevator if I was gold-bricking, and the stairs if I needed to get something done. About 3 to 1 elevator.
I would respect an answer involving push-ups, sit-ups, and squat thrusts or deep knee bends.
I consulted briefly for a company that had offices on the fourth floor of a building. They had a proxcard system, and had some up with the clever idea of using the access logs to give out an award every month to whoever had used the stairwell door the most.
Whatever happened to government by the sedentary and hard-drinking?
I like how history textbooks are always quick to mention that Taft was so fat that he needed a specially built bathtub.
On the other hand I wouldn't bat an eye if I saw him on the street in 2007.
I don't think he drank much, though. And who knows, maybe he wasn't sedentary either? Maybe it was his metabolism.
That water buffalo looks deeply unhappy.
On the other hand I wouldn't bat an eye if I saw him on the street in 2007.
C'mon . At one point he apparently weighed 2.33 oggeds at the same height. He wasn't just fat or obese. He was morbidly obese. By a lot.
Points for insulting the skinny guy and the fat guy in the same comment. Though you should note that ogged is around 170 lbs. at the moment.
From the New York Times:
Ex-President William Howard Taft, who came here yesterday to address the Peace Society on the Monroe Doctrine, has lost exactly 69 pounds of flesh since he left the White House, on March 4, last.They just don't write 'em like that anymore...
You're not kidding. I have two pairs of pants that I can wear.
Are you watching the Warriors-Mavs game? Un-fucking-real. Stephen Jackson is my new hero.
It's amazing. I'm still antsy, because there's a lot of time left.
It's going to be funny if Nowitzki wins MVP.
At least if they still manage to lose this game, it will have been an epic collapse, and no ordinary loss.
Don't jinx it. I'm also loving the White Russian.
83: I'm not sure that's true. Both of these teams can put up 15 points in two minutes. This is one of those that's really never, ever over. What shocks me is that Dallas only has 57 points.
if they still manage to lose this game, it will have been an epic collapse, and no ordinary loss.
Dallas was down by, what, 21 at one point on Tuesday? This ain't over.
It's definitely not over. But if they lose, you'll hear all about how they were up 20 near the end of the third.
Dirk needs to do his magic man act pretty soon if they're going to have any chance at all.
Nowitski: 1-11 so far. I can't believe that.
Odd NBA-political question: does it help Obama, even a little, if the Bulls win it all? Especially if Deng is the star?
The Warriors were down 21 on Tuesday. Also, if you watch enough Cal games (basketball or football), you find few things more worrying than large late leads.
Oh, right, I'm flipping things around.
91: If that rule holds, it's one more reason to root against the Yankees.
Can't we talk about rollerblading instead?
For the rest of the game, they should keep the camera on Cuban.
Why are you jinxing it, ogged? You sadist.
Dude, there's no way they can lose! Let go of your superstitions!
More likely to happen if the Warriors win: Avery explodes in anger and kills Dirk, Cuban explodes in anger and kills Nellie, or Jackson explodes with happiness and kills ten?
I want to hear what Cuban has to say about this series. It wasn't the refs this time. They clearly had the better team. And you know how much he hates it when people call Dallas soft. Ah, life's little pleasures.
Good lord, are we really facing Golden State vs. Utah in the next round? As Saiselgy said, battle of the unknowns!
I bet he's texting people right now to see if they want to buy the team.
Avery Johnson is going to catch all manner of shit for his coaching in this series.
What are the papers going to say in Indiana tomorrow?
billg mavs sux u buy use 4 aids kids?
anschutz soccer iz g4y ba1 dallas mavs from me
As someone who's been a Warriors fan for the majority of this calendar year, I say woooooo!
As someone who has been committed to the Warriors for well over a week, w00t!
As someone who has been devoted to the warriors since several minutes ago, w00t w00t!
OT: does anyone know anything about Spiderman 3? I missed a chance to see a FREE early screening.
Utah hasn't won their series yet.
Won by double digits tonight though, just might pull it off.
So far, no reason to think Spidey 3 won't be good.
I never pay attention to reviews. Too hit or miss as a predictor of what I'll like.
For no particular reason: Kobe Bryant v. Chris Childs
91, 94: I wouldn't count on any team having any effect politically. The 2004 Red Sox postseason did nothing for Kerry, and not only was it epic, it was right before the election. Still, any reason to root against the Yankees.
Reviews in general, sure. Individual reviewers are useful, and I've found that I generally agree with LaSalle. Plus, there's the fact that one of my friends worked on S3, and he's only ever worked on one good movie in his entire career.
117: the NYer review wasn't so enthusiastic either.
Tancredo forgot to finish his sentence. It should read "hunting Mexicans."
I actually saw the warriors in person twice this year, does that make me an early adapter?
Sometimes it shocks me how the badness of MSM extends to all areas. Take today's basketball game. The story of this game is that after Davis's injury the Mavs were killing Oakland by going right at him every play, so at halftime Oakland decided to come out in a zone defense to hide Davis defensively and then played that zone the rest of the game. NBA teams don't play a zone for an entire half. And Dallas just had no answer for it. Nonetheless the AP story on the game doesn't even have the word "zone" in it anywhere. The postgame show barely mentioned it. Pathetic.
The story of the game is that Stephen Jackson is a madman who CANNOT BE STOPPED BY YOUR PUNY DEFENSE. The fact that they played zone is a geeky sideline, and Albert and Kerr did talk about it for a bit.
"wasn't so enthusiastic."
Ha. I read that review chortling all the way. When Lane pans something--which he doesn't do often--he doesn't pull his punches.
On the other hand, if Farber is to be believed, Lane hates superhero movies.
Overheard behind me literally just this moment: "he's a swimmer. Swimmers are nerds."
What is the scoop on those t-shirts with the word "city" and a drawing of a bridge? I see them all over but I am completely unable to find them using google.
I'm guessing that they're throwback jerseys (or based on them), maybe from when the team first moved to the Bay Area.
Search for "the city" warriors jersey or shirt.
130: I dunno, one of the things I like about him as a reviewer is that he seems to me to be very good about taking movies on their own terms. He's quite capable of enjoying a good popcorn flick.
Anyway, if he does hate superhero movies, it's probably because most superhero movies really do kind of suck.
Me, I mostly like his reviews, and mostly don't like superhero movies, so there we are.
most superhero movies really do kind of suck
I'll take the bait. Who will play the parts of ogged and bitchphd in the upcoming superhero flick? Also, who's good, and who's evil?
Ogged thinks he's good, and I'm perfectly happy to be evil.
I've spent the last couple months kinda wanting to buy myself this, speaking of, and telling myself that it's (1) hopelessly geeky and (2) i'd probably never, ever wear it.
Hey, cosplay's a burgeoning scene. Probably some money in it for you as feminist blogger for the number one Wonder Woman fan site.
Incidentally, you know how weird Wonder Woman's history is, I assume?
Oh holy crap, cosplay. If you wanted to kill my little geeky product lust, that's pretty much enough to do it.
No, I didn't know that the creator was a Camille Paglia type. But obviously WW was a huge bondage fantasy. Still, you take what you can get, y'know?
I find him kind of endearing. He occasionally swerves weirdly close to "porn liberal" post-feminism.
I love the fact that he was a contemporary of Kellogg; two respectable, health-minded Americans trying to make their country more robust and long-lived. The idealism fades so fast in bondage and breakfast.
Two respectable pervs into rationalizing their preversions with a lot of pseudo-intellectual nonsense, you mean.
Is there a higher calling than that?
Again, I point out that this is basically Paglia's modus operandi, and leave you to make the decision yourself.
Paglia ain't rationalizin' nothin' but the rent.
Kellogg and Marston were idealists!
If you can genuinely fool yourself into believing your perversions are sacred ideals? That must be the best. There's a reason people like that attract followers.
I think that just makes you more fucked up and suppressed. Admitting your perversions freely *as* perversions, sans intellectual whitewashing, now that's the way to go.
Regardless, I'm totally going to sleep. But first, I'm going to (briefly) indulge my perversions, as such. I'm way too tired to think.
Intellectual whitewashing is, in it's own way, pretty kinky.
152: its.
Intellectual what now, dork?
I like how history textbooks are always quick to mention that Taft was so fat that he needed a specially built bathtub.
"President William Howard Taft is in the White House. Three hundred pounds of pure Republican." -- from the introductory voice-over of the John Wayne classic "True Grit".
151 gets it exactly right, and I'm a little sorry to have missed this conversation. But it took place far past my bedtime.
Am I the only one who watched the debate last night? It was kind of extraordinary.
143: Wonder Woman is about to be written by an actual woman for the first time ever in sixty-six years.
160: Jackmormon watched it, and blogged a real-time commentary for it on the Sisterhood thread.
I need to read the comments more at this here Unfogged.
I should really get back to posting. Every interesting conversation around here in the last couple of weeks has started a hundred comments from the top of a thread attached to an entirely unconnected post.
I am surprised none of the candidates mentioned "bowling" as in "bowling for dollars." Afterall, isn't that a goal of campaigning? And the dusty Decemvir were not properly stage managed. They should have been all been positioned bowling pin style. Much easier to get a strike that way.
It was kind of extraordinary.
How so? (I didn't watch it)
Every interesting conversation around here in the last couple of weeks has started a hundred comments from the top of a thread attached to an entirely unconnected post
What's wrong with that? Alameida's yesterday was remarkable in that the various topics, several suggested by her post, others riffs, all stayed alive, so that people jumped in on them all day, sometimes more than one at a time. We've done that before; I think it's great.
I just fear turning into a tiny tiny little version of Eschaton. If 'open threads' ever get explictly posted here, I'll be very sad.
Like JM, I was just watching for the spectacle of blow-dried white dudes trying to outo one another on the bloodthirsty and the wingnutty. And I was not disappointed.
I was actually sad for John McCain. He's seriously got some mental illness issues. He lost his train of thought on almost every answer; by the end of each speech he gave, he was just tossing out unrelated sound bites.
The key is that it's not called "Open threads," it's always at least partly about the post topic, and can always be pulled back to it. But all threads are a bit open, and freewheeling, like conversation itself. And even awkward attempts to change the subject: "...um, here's when I'm afraid!" are telling. The best threads have serious and joke both, and don't degenerate into either permanently.
I also wonder why Huckabee hasn't raised more money. He seems to be really, really appealing for a Christian who doesn't believe in evolution (but does believe in conservation and in helping the poor).
168: A surplus of wacky flightiness is hardly Eschaton's problem. When threads here start to consist mostly of people saying U SUXXORZ LUZR, then you'll have reason to worry.
He seems to be really, really appealing for a Christian who doesn't believe in evolution (but does believe in conservation and in helping the poor).
Maybe the base that meets both criteria doesn't exist.
Oh, and Chris Matthews was absolutely terrible. Terrible, terrible, terrible. He thought he was on Hardball.
And Tommy Thompson said employers should be able to fire someone for being gay.
And -- not for nothing, MSNBC, but if you're looking to appeal to conservatives, having Chris Matthews as your moderator and Keith Olbermann as your host/commentator for the Republican debate really doesn't help your cause, especially when the Dem debate was moderated by Brian Williams and not by Tip O'Neill's former spokesman. Why not let Joe Scarborough do it?
There's no reason that it shouldn't -- turn of the 19/20thC fundamentalists were populists. The connection between conservative religious beliefs and economically right-wing politics is accidental, not fundamental.
That base does exist, 173. Most evangelicals are interested in helping the poor. The reason they consistently vote for Tom DeLay's policies is, quite simply, because Jim Dobson is the leader of a corporatist conspiracy to mislead them.
Check out what happened when the Huckabeeesque governor of Alabama was afflicted by his conscience and tried to get a referendum passed to make the state's tax system go from unbelievably regressive to somewhat regressive. The "Family" "Research" Council and "Focus" on the "Family" spent a few months bombarding everyone in the state with "BOB RILEY = TAX HIKE TAX HIKE TAX HIKE = SATAN'S PLAN FOR SOCIALISM" messages, and then after the referendum failed, they went back to normal.
Chris Matthews was absolutely terrible
Why should last night have been any different than the rest of his career?
There's no reason that it shouldn't -- turn of the 19/20thC fundamentalists were populists. The connection between conservative religious beliefs and economically right-wing politics is accidental, not fundamental.
I'm betting that, in most cases, the poor have other identifying characteristics that make them less sympathetic to the base. It's not as if 19th C "populism" was maximally inclusive.
Those questions were LAME.
After watching this, the our-top-3 v. their-top-3 match up that I'd worry most about the Democrats losing would be Hillary/Romney. Not sure exactly why that is. I guess it's that he's fairly charismatic but seems highly, highly calculating, and Edwards and Obama are pretty charismatic too without coming off as highly calculating.
178: There's a whole lot of poor white Christian rural people out there, who demographically should be awfully sympathetic to people voting on the basis of conservative Christianity. (And yes, there was a whole lot of racism/anti-immigrantism/other bad stuff about populism.) I think Cryptic Ned has it down.
Guiliani buries Hillary in swing state polling. Ohio, Pennsylvania, most of the midwest. That could change, but she's got real problems in those barely-blue states.
Talk radio this morning took for granted that Thompson (Fred, not Tommy) would blow this field away.
Yes, he'd be a formidable candidate. Don't underestimate the fact that he's on everyone's TV screen every night on TNT.
176 gets it right. Christianity's been hijacked by a bunch of money-worshipping tools. There's no particular reason it has to be that way, but apparently "If you love Jesus, you'll have a big house and an iPod, and oh, the Democrats kill babies" is a compelling message.
181: I still think he breaks down on loathsomeness once people get a real look at him.
183: Would they have to take L&O reruns off the air if he ran?
He seemed more bumbling than loathesome last night, but I think Giuliani's poll numbers are really soft. People have a vague gauzy impression of him as the hero of 9/11 and not much else.
186: I don't think so. Why would they?
You know what would be really unstoppable? If some racist kook took a shot at Obama and hit him in the arm, and he campaigned for the last couple of months wearing a sling. Unstoppable!
Wouldn't he have to release a folk album first?
Ryan and I were talking last night about how an assassination attempt on Obama is more likely than not.
The campaign did a brilliant job spinning his new Secret Service detail -- they said it wasn't because of a threat, but rather because he's become so fucking popular that the crowds at his events can't be controlled.
189: More unstoppable--a nominated white VP candidate running, suddenly, for the Presidency in the shadow of Obama's dead and broken body. Still really don't want it to happen, though.
I know the upper Mississippi river towns that produced James Earl Ray—more born and raised in Illinois for your love, JM!— and I shudder.
188: I dunno, free ads? I'm really unclear on campaign finance law, but that seems like the sort of thing that would count as a donation to the campaign. Didn't they have to not play Reagan movies on TV during campaigns?
192: I don't think Angela Lansbury has any kids in politics and besides, financial reporting would reveal a purchase of lots and lots and lots of decks of cards and one over-sized novelty deck.
194 - really? Did they do a blackout of Schwarzenegger films during his campaign as well? I honestly don't remember, and I was only 3 when Reagan ran. I wasn't even born when he ran in '76.
Timbot, I'm in the tank for Obama; I want him to LIVE! LOVE! RULE! and join me in this tank.
blow-dried white dudes trying to outo one another on the bloodthirsty and the wingnutty.
Yeah, my primary impression when I saw the pics in the newspaper today was, damn, republicans all look alike.
189 - I heard someone on TV comment once to that effect (Chris Rock?). Something about how if there was an assassination attempt on a black candidate, white guilt would sweep him into office. The joke was that if Alan Keyes had just thought of hiring someone to try to kill him, he'd be president right now.
I believe that it was the Republicans who put the blackout on Reagan's films. He was never the lead, IIRC, more a sidekick type.
"Bedtime for Bonzo" got some play by the other side.
The equal time rule only applies to Presidential campaigns.
They did have to stop showing Schwarzenegger movies on network TV during the campaign, I think. That doesn't really matter, because the cable nets were showing his movies every single night. I remember flipping the channels during that crappy few months and seeing more Arnold reruns than I'd ever seen in my life.