[Socrates] Yes, and the most ridiculous thing of all will be the sight of women naked in the palaestra, exercising with the men, especially when they are no longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of beauty, any more than the enthusiastic old men who, in spite of wrinkles and ugliness, continue to frequent the gymnasia.
The 'are' in the post title is bugging me. I'll bet they are what? Try to attract younger following? Pshaw. Also I can't believe that w-lfs-n hasn't been all over this.
I think it's idiomatic, Nakku. Like, if I said I was trying to find someone to reset my TiVO, you'd say, "I bet you are," to imply that my seeking was prurient.
Seriously, are there actual native English speakers who are unfamiliar with this phrase?
"I bet they are" goes with "trying" rather than "try," so if you wanted it to be as clean as possible (not making the reader do an accommodating little extra conjugation in her head), you could have used "I bet they do."
Part of what's going on, also, is that headline English is special -- in a headline, a bare verb like "try" is used to express the progressive, exactly where in normal conversational English you would say "are trying."
"If a young person is enlightened enough to go to a beach or resort, they'll find that they're outnumbered by people who are not like them,"
"Enlightened enough". Nice. Not condescending at all.
"Unlike any other place in life, people actually look at you when they talk to you."
Sweet.
Herschell Gordon Lewis, the rumors are true.
I know an ottoman that's used to the human form. If they're looking for furniture, I mean.
I've been to a nudist camp a few times. Lots of old people, a few babies and tweens with their parents/grandparents, and, well, me and my boyfriend (in our late 20's, early 30's). So, yeah, in my limited experience you don't see a lot of that age group at the nudie camps, except as lookie loos (which they discourage).
They play great pool volleyball for old folks, though. Best tan I've ever had, too.
My parents have a cute story about attending a naked party in the seventies with my two older brothers, who were probably 2 and 5 or so. My oldest brother had a blast, but my middle brother absolutely would not take off his diaper. He was very adamant about being modest.
But they never have spare change on them.
Snarkout's mother was telling me about a family she knows with a cognitively disabled adult kid, who has just moved into a "clothing optional" resort in Florida that is apparently fantastic for him and everyone involved is delighted with the arrangements. I have trouble imagining how this all works out, but sure!
My story about attending a naked party isn't so happy, I'm afraid. It ends with me going to the hospital for a separated rib.
My brother and I ended up at St. Tropez without realizing it was totally nude. sadly, only old people.
I just read 17. My daughter would love that. She is never afraid to show some crack or lift her shirt up. It is cute at 2 and 3 years old. Not so much at 15.
I think the deal is that most people just come for a couple of weeks at a time, but he is living there full-time. So people come and go, and everyone is very nice, and the living is assisted in that there is some cooking and cleaning staff, and maybe even first aid on site, because it's a camp, but it's not at all institutional, and everyone is happy. And their clothing is optional. Hooray!
Jackmormon naked wrestling? Mud or jello?
Jackmormon style fun, totally not safe for work.
No, no. There was no sex. Only hospitals.
Hospital stays are the New Sex.
28: The guy on the bottom doesn't appear to be a very good wrestler. Or he isn't trying very hard.
"You don't come here for the wrestlin', do you?"
You know how to tell the blind guy at a nudist colony?
It's not hard. *snicker*
Until the penetrative sex began, my main thought about that video was that wrestling without an athletic supporter looks like it would carry a high risk of accidental testicular injuries.
They have sex in that video? Oops. Sorry. Only watched the first ten seconds.
Until the penetrative sex began
If I had a dollar for every story that started that way...
They have sex in that video?
Do they ever.
Good lord is 37 right. I can't believe I just watched that at work. I can't believe I watched it at all, really.
CNN says Jerry Falwell has been found unconscious. I blame this gay, gay thread.
Better hurry and get in your masturbating to Jerry Falwell.
Divine mixed messages are so troubling. Does this mean that God has smited Falwell because of teh gay, or is He directly punishing Falwell for being such an evil prick?
He's just bringing him home. His work was done.
Tammy Faye Bakker is also near death. That actually makes me sad. She seemed like fun and actually cared about a lot of marginalized people.
OMG. Does that mean the rapture is at hand? Things are looking up!
No more masturbating to Jerry Falwell.
The Rapture? I'm having a bacon cheeseburger for lunch!
MSNBC has him as dead. I can cope with that.
I was just looking at his Wikipedia entry, and I'm prepared to say that he was a force for evil in the world.
I'd rather not speak ill of the dead, so let's let Jerry speak for himself:
God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.
If the (self-)righteous will be gone, how should we divvy up their stuff?
I'm so glad this crowd isn't going to insist on some kind of "any death is a tragedy" niceness. I'm really not up for it.
Instead I offer a misplaced modifier from a student paper this semester: "I don't think because someone is a different religion they go to hell like a lot of Christians"
The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.
I guess I'll join. Christians burn cleaner than Jews, you know.
51 is excellent, appropriate and tasteful in the circumstaces.
God the watchmaker is doing some cosmic balancing. We got Mullah Dadullah, so Jerry is called home. They will both be surprised to meet each other on the other side.
I wonder if Fallwell's death has anything to do with my internet connection being down all morning.
It is foretold that the day of judgement will bring crappy internet.
So maybe!
45: You can always have a go at the ghost of jerry falwell [*]
* band name?
59 wuzme
55: You think they'll be able to notice through all the smoke?
I had forgotten about this precious Falwell moment until today.
By the way, I think it is wholly appropriate that the nudist camp thread has become the death of Falwell thread.
Any predictions on who goes next?
Oral Roberts - 89
Billy Graham - 88
Pat Robertson - 77
Jimmy Swaggart - 72
Billy Graham is looking pretty frail.
Does Tammy Faye Bakker count? She's next.
Obviously we should have given Falwell more money.
Oh well.
Woops, I see Becks mentioned that already.
62: The internet says:
1. Billy Graham 10,330
2. Oral Roberts
3. Pat Robertson
4.Jimmy Swaggart
Billy Graham is the odds on favorite, but if you have inside information on Swaggart, now seems like a good time to jump in.
When Oral claimed he had to raise X million dollars or be "called home," my nice (not-then-)ex-brother-in-law sent him a sympathy card with no money in it.
Ah, zombie Falwell. So began the apocalypse.
In fact, Billy Graham is the odds on leader to die out of everyone in the pool. Go, Bill!
Oral claimed he had to raise X million dollars or be "called home"
Blackmail, eh? Reminds me of one of my ex-boyfriends.
71 - Who claimed he needed Oral or he'd be "called home"
62. My first exposure to televangelism was Oral Roberts, when I was but a lad. After snickering over his name, Bevis style, I couldn't believe that he really thought I would send him money for an Alladin style lamp made out of fine Oklahoma clay, or whatever. But it was the only thing on TV, so I was stuck.
Now if God would only take care of the Ratzinger problem...
67: As far as I know, of the four, only Robertson is deeply objectionable. I seem to recall that Graham, in specific, is often regarded as a pretty good man with bad views.
75: Graham is okay. I'd say the others are fairly objectionable, but really I was just asking the internet who would die soonest.
Blackmail, eh? Reminds me of one of my ex-boyfriends.
Jeebus. I hope--to the extent that can be said to be appropriate--that the ex reminds you of Roberts, not Roberts' God.
Dark horse candidate: Sun Myung Moon, 87!
Sitting around talking about this is no way to celebrate; I demand that everyone go engage in sodomy or at least wanking (not to JF, obviously) right damn now. Or at least soon. I guess you're excused if you need to wait until your workday is over.
"If you don't give me what I need, I'm going to die."
Well, at least I'll never fall for that one again.
Who claimed he needed Oral or he'd be "called home"
To which JM said, "Yes please, go back to your apartment, I need to get some sleep before work tomorrow!"
80: Ah. Well, better than the alternative. But still. Men are crazy. Sometimes I think we should all be forcibly muted until we're 35. (Which is to say that it's just possible I've said something similar to that myself when I was younger.)
83: Suspiciously so. I'm holding out for sodomy.
We have a full-service employee support plan here at the office.
80: My four year old routinely claims she will die if I don't do things like give her ice cream. She also once threatened to "gun" me if I didn't give her a piggy back ride.
She also once threatened to "gun" me if I didn't give her a piggy back ride.
Adorable and disturbing at the same time.
88: "I'm the daddy, I say when you die."
Did you all read the bit on DeLong about Falwell's dad? That's one messed up dude.
Also, she has learned how to call me at the office. Once she called and said "Daddy, I need you to come home because I'm having bad thoughts and they will only go away if you come home."
I swear I'm not raising a little serial killer.
"Also, she has learned how to call me at the office. Once she called and said "Daddy, I need you to come home because I'm having bad thoughts and they will only go away if you come home.""
Hot if from your gf. Disturbing if from your daughter.
Annoying from a psycho gf who really means it.
Actually, when Caroline gets to acting this way I often think, "You know, I'd never put up with this level of clinginess from a girlfriend."
95: This is a road I wish you hadn't sent us down, RHC.
If Falwell goes to heaven, he's going to be so pissed that there are gay people there.
88: WHen the little girl actually does die, the father feels awful.
98: Live by the gun, die by the ice cream: the life of a warrior should be lived without regrets.
I've re-thought that. I am good with the "having bad thoughts, please come home," but I don't think I would like it if a gf called me "daddy."
96: Sorry. I don't really like being down this road either.
You mean the no-threads thread became the Falwell-dead thread became the cute-thing-my-kid-said thread? Okay...
Me, an hour ago: I'm going to the store.
Maura: Take me!
Me: Sorry, mama has the car, and you know I can't take you in the truck, because there's no kid seat.
Maura, who's been told what happens if the cops catch you driving toddlers around without kid seats: But, you could go faster than the police.
First I was delighted, then I had this vision of her as a teenager, saying that to a boyfriend.
It should be a riot watching the candidates at the debate tonight fall over each other to praise the Reverend. Maybe I'll walk down there just to smell the brimstone freedom.
I have a response to 97, but it's basically a fat joke at Falwell's expense and I'm not down with fat jokes. Still, yes, that. I figure that regardless of the state of his soul, if such states exist and so forth, he's awfully surprised by pretty much any available outcome.
I hope Romney falls all over himself praising Falwell and then someone tomorrow turns up a quote from Falwell about Mormons being Satanists or something.
Giuliani will, of course, burst into flame spontaneously on uttering the reverend's name.
Huckabee will milk it like the first cow of the morning.
A friend, it turns out, saw the news alert that Falwell had collapsed and raced to Wikipedia to be the first to edit the page as soon as he died. As he refreshed, he saw this and then, an additional refresh later, it was gone.
One of Falwell's games was to have 'friendship' with opposing sects -- he was one of the pioneers of Christian Zionism, for instance, and the Moral Majority also took advantage of being politically co-aligned with Catholicism and the Mormons at times. He still believed that Mormons and Jews were going to hell, but that that was no reason not to work together, and furthermore that it was impolitic to make too big of a deal about it. Better to focus on the common enemy.
True to form, Falwell said this about Romney: "If he's pro-life, pro-family, I don't think he'll have any problem getting the support of evangelical Christians."
Is the `Moral Majority' still champion of the `east aptly named group category, or has it been surpassed?
hey, who stole my "l" and left a "'" behind?
The 'Concerned Women of America' and the 'National Black Republican Association' are both run by white men, so they might be worse.
97 is actually a pretty serious point. Any kind of heavenly banquet that might exist is going to have an awful lot of people I wouldn't particularly like at it. And I'd have to eat with them.
110 - you think the banquets in Hell would be any better?
"In heaven, the food is French, the lovers are Italian, and everything is run by the Swiss. In hell, the food is British, the lovers Swiss, and everything is run by the Italians."
I love the image of Swiss lovers. So precise! Like clockwork!
This reminds me of a joke told by one of my various Politics of the Soviet Bloc professors and so I will tuck it away at the end of an aging thread:
An Englishman, a Frenchman and a Soviet are discussing the Christian creation story. "Clearly," says the Brit, "Adam and Eve were British. Only an Englishman would be so chivalrous as to accept the apple offered by his wife even if it would anger God."
"Clearly," the Frenchman counters, "You are wrong. Adam and Eve were French, for surely only a Frenchman would be so passionately in love with his wife that he would accept the apple offered by her even if it would anger God."
"You are both wrong," intoned the Soviet gentleman. "Adam and Eve were obviously Soviets; for surely only a Russian couple would be naked, have one apple as the sum of their worldly possessions and declare that they lived in Paradise."
I dunno, maybe you have to hear him tell it with the overdone accents.
113: Oh, I used to know a much longer version of this, and I always forget it and have to reinvent it on the fly. Maybe: "In heaven, the policemen are British, the bankers Swiss, the lovers Italian, the cooks French, and the engineers are German. In hell, the policemen are German, the bankers Italian, the cooks British, the lovers Swiss, and the engineers French." But you can spin it out over a whole bunch of countries -- the key ones I remember are German engineers/policemen, British policemen/cooks, and Swiss bankers/lovers.
