Re: Try Not To Dance

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From the comments on the Russell video: "this man was more evil than Hitler. do some research."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:02 AM
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Before we kill all the lawyers, shouldn't we start with the philosophers? Or at least the philosophy students? Or maybe just students? I stopped watching the Derrida video 5 seconds into the first wo/man's question because I could see another fifteen seconds of preening coming.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:06 AM
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I told you to skip to 5:05 for a reason. And yes, we know you didn't go through a period of earnest care for your fellow man, you Republican.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:08 AM
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Good chunks of the Chomsky/Foucault debate are also on YouTube.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:10 AM
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I was quite pleased to discover that.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:12 AM
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If I remember right, the story goes that Foucault was paid for his participation with a large block of marijuana.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:14 AM
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There's actually a ton of stuff. Heidegger, Adorno, Horkheimer, Habermas, etc. Maybe we can make this a weekly feature. No! Daily!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:15 AM
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This is the best philosophy video yet.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:17 AM
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3: If you're going to make a "serious inquiry" into moral responsibility regarding apartheid, at least take both sides into account. What of the extraordinary burdens placed on the whites keeping black people down? It was easier in this country, where whites were a majority. Much harder in South Africa. The stress associated with doing so can lead to really unsightly skin blemishes among the ruling class. As you can see, no doubt, if you look closely at the video.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:18 AM
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The LaRouchies are big Bertrand Russell haters, believing him to be allied with Aristotle, Isaac Newton, and the Anglo-Dutch-Venetian conspiracy.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:18 AM
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Heidegger, Adorno, Horkheimer,

Any good philosophers, though?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:23 AM
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You mean like Gibran?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:25 AM
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I think s/he means Bruce.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:26 AM
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Or Peter Ustinov.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:26 AM
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Ronald Reagan. Yanni. Dr Phil. You know, the Western Canon.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:27 AM
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8: Whoa, the comments on that are actually funny.

I searched Youtube for the name of the only philosophy professor I've had, and found this.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:27 AM
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I don't seem to be able to find any Quine on YouTube. A professor I had as an undergraduate showed us rather a lot of Quine videos. There was one in which he was asked about all sorts of personal preferences, and he expressed a strong dislike of canned tuna.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:29 AM
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All other philosophy videos are now unnecessary.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:32 AM
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The single comment to the video in 18 is so earnest!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:35 AM
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Adorno on popular music and Joan Baez. My German isn't good enough to pick up more than a word or two here and there, but I'm betting he disapproves.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 8:51 AM
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Adorno's saying that using popular music (which is inescapably commodified) in the attempt at political protest ends up making appalling things (Vietnam) consumable.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:18 AM
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The best sentence from the narration:

Eine wie Adorno hatte das sofort durchschaut.

(One such as Adorno saw through all that immediately.)


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:21 AM
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Adorno is what happens when your doomsaying crank uncle is smarter and better read than you are.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:24 AM
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23 -- perfect. hovertext?


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:31 AM
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The hovertext already quotes Emerson.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:33 AM
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"Eine wie McManus hatte das sofort durchschaut."


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:46 AM
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popular music (which is inescapably commodified) in the attempt at political protest ends up making appalling things (Vietnam) consumable.

What I've never understood about Adorno is the idea that some kind of art magically gets to resist commodification, when right there in statements like that you see him himself expressing something undifferentiatable from the consumables-snobbery of someone who thinks eating bad cheese is a moral failing. (Also who he imagines looking at, reading, or listening to his ideal forms of art—but then wiser heads than I have told me just to imagine Adorno as a pair of disapproving jowls.)


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:53 AM
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18: oh dear me. No, we're totally not flaky around here.

I tried to read Crick's book on consciousness. It was pretty silly, not to put to fine a point on it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 9:58 AM
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Adorno: "Und ich muss sagen, wenn also dann irgendjemand sich hinstellt und auf eine im Grunde doch schnulzenhafte Musik dann irgendwelche Dinge darüber singt, dass Vietnam nicht zu ertragen sei, dann finde ich, dass gerade dieser Song nicht zu ertragen ist, weil er, indem er das Entsetzliche noch irgendwie konsumierbar macht, schließlich auch daraus noch etwas wie Konsumqualitäten herauspresst."

Blume's synopsis is correct. Adorno accuses protest singers of extracting something marketable from horrors, by using "sentimental" music to make the stomach-turning subject matter into something palatable.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 10:00 AM
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The hovertext already quotes Emerson.

The hovertext could say:

"Adorno^H^H^H^H^H^H John Emerson is what happens when your doomsaying crank uncle is smarter and better read than you are."

That's too many "^H"'s, though, it's too bad you can't use strikethrough on the hovertext.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 10:11 AM
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^W is your friend.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 10:13 AM
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Finally, ogged's seinfeld hatred explained: he's just following Derrida's advice.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-16-07 10:26 AM
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