Re: Secret Ballots


You're not ashamed of the way you voted, are you Becks?

Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:48 AM
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Jesus Christ. You know, I'd perfectly well believe this specifically wasn't an evil plan, but boy does it indicate a failure to pay attention.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:53 AM
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OTOH, now we can figure out who to blame.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:56 AM
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I think we should move to a card check system.

Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:57 AM
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Can't we just put Florida and Ohio in a room and let them work out a compromise already? This endless cycle of oneupmanship is really getting exhausting.

Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:00 AM
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Is there a voter order list for every machine? Are there polling places with just one machine? I've only ever used paper ballots, but every time I've voted there's been a central check-in desk, and then several voting booths.

Not that this isn't still problematic.

Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:01 AM
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6 - The article describes how votes can be reconstructed even at polling locations with a central check-in desk and multiple voting machines.

Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:03 AM
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Considering that Ohio GOP is starting to adopt Florida's tactic of trying to purge the voting rolls of likely Democrats, this is especially problematic. Now they don't just have to use demographic profiling -- they can generate a list of people who voted Democratic in the last election and try to purge as many as they can.

Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:06 AM
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So we respond in kind.

Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:07 AM
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8 is pretty important.

Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:08 AM
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Right, and there doesn't have to be proof, or evidence, that someone's already planned to do it to make the possibility intolerable. This is about capabilities, not intentions.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:14 AM
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I think I should just be dictator.

Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:17 AM
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I'm just going to sit here and be thankful, again, that my county's compliance with HAVA is of the least-invasive, least-abusable kind. My brain just can't comprehend the post itself. Just... can't...

Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:32 AM
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So on the rankings of Orwellian legislation titles, does HAVA sit above or below the Healthy Forests Restoration Act?

Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 10:49 AM
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8 - On the other hand, the incredibly partisan Ken Blackwell (the man who tried to throw out a shitload of new voter registrations because they were clipped from the newspaper rather than on cardstock) is, for the nonce, no longer working for the state, and the new SoS, Jennifer Brunner, seems vastly preferable (and skeptical of e-voting).

Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 10:53 AM
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There really should be a law.

Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 2:23 PM
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Well, it seems like a potential concern, but since the electronic voting machines also randomly drop or misrecord votes, the two lists will probably get out of register and the problem is solved. Two wrongs do make a right!

Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 2:42 PM
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ref original post:
Is that really true? I'm from OH, and I know they are a trusting lot, but gee! In OH I always had the feeling that God decided things anyway, not people, so it wasn't really important that things be secret... etc.

Posted by: Dr. Germ | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 10:29 PM
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Dr. G! The post looks reliable to me, but who knows.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 10:36 PM
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Re: is it real. I followed the link to Scheier, and it was depressingly full of the troubles of security vs transparency. As in, you need to prove that you have x votes cast and also x legitimate voters. Seems like scrambling up the list of voters would be the best way of making sure no one can tell which voter cast which vote. On that site some people claimed that Republicans will try to get rid of voters who are likely to vote Democrat (And a group of people who took my brother's voter registration card did not turn it in, and it was in the news that many people's cards were not turned in who had said they were Democrats...) but anyway, it is currently very easy to deter democrats from voting. You just make the polling places hard to find in the poorest neighborhoods. My sister was a poll site volunteer, and they has almost 100% (And almost 100% Democrat) turn out around the housing projects, despite the fact that the polling places had been switched around in a ridiculous manner right before the (last presidential) election.

Posted by: Dr. Germ | Link to this comment | 08-22-07 8:57 AM
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RE: Who to blame.

Blame all the liberals who leave Southern OH because they feel out of place. (Me.) I think we should stay registered in OH, perhaps. But I thought it irresponsible not to vote in local elections. But then again, NYC is doing fine. What do you think???

And blame the Democrats for not finding a way to get the MORAL Vote. Southern OH is a Christian Democrat kind of place. They are Pro Education, Pro Healthcare, Pro welfare, and Pro Life. We could win them on 3 out of 4!

They also don't pay enough attention to realize that the Republicans are really against healthcare, education & etc. I tried to explain the voucher system to my grandma, and she said "The republicans would never do that." (Because of the public money going to religious schools which she thought was wrong, even though we were 3 generations of Catholic school educated.)

Posted by: Dr. Germ | Link to this comment | 08-22-07 9:06 AM
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