Re: Who Cares That We Won The Hotness Contest?

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Salon sure has gone downhill lately.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:00 PM
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It's not really Salon, it's Machinist. Different layout, different design, different editor, doesn't count.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:01 PM
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Nevertheless.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:02 PM
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Clearly this is the first step in an unmask-ogged campaign. Once you start talking to reporters via your pseud it's only a matter of time. The cocky "Not a chance" will be Ogged's "Bring 'em on."

Also, re 1: the world used to be full of old people, but now it is more and more full of young people.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:02 PM
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a humorously wonky blog and discussion site popular with D.C. types,

Mouseover text? Or too cripplingly dull?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:03 PM
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Wow, this story is weird. You people actually did this? Just to get Armsmasher a win in a "hot or not" contest? So very, very sad.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:04 PM
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"wonky" is exactly wrong if meant in the American sense of the word.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:04 PM
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I find it hilarious that stras is apparently just finding out about this from the article.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:05 PM
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So very, very sad.

You seem to be commenting here, mate.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:05 PM
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Just to get Armsmasher a win in a "hot or not" contest?

No, catherine too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:05 PM
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But it's written by Salon's Farhad Manjoo, and it's the second article from the top of Salon's list of articles, right below the one about Karl Rove. They just shoehorned it into the "Machinist" category even though it's not a blog entry.

I can't believe catherine's picture is right at the top of Salon's front page. This is fantastic

I was about to say "Salon should write more things like this and fewer bleeding-heart platitudes and predictable complaints", but viewed objectively I think it sadly fits into their other pattern of boring commentary on insignificant media events.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:06 PM
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This makes me weirdly unhappy. If I were more introspective perhaps I would know why.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:06 PM
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11 to 2.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:06 PM
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When are they going to figure out that Labs did his damndest to keep Althouse from winning best moderate blog, or whatever it was? This place is a hotbed of electoral corruption.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:07 PM
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8: I'm only here for the indignant lefty contempt.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:07 PM
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7: But works really well from a UK perspective.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:07 PM
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LB, Farhad Manjoo is clearly reading the comments here. This blog's salad days are over. It's just a matter of time before Ogged's multimillion-pound book deal becomes a pyrrhic victory as his true identity is revealed and his parents are scandalized, like other bloggers.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:08 PM
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I'm worried that Ogged will start contracting out our powers. He could be the Ralph Reed of snark.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:08 PM
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12: This makes me weirdly unhappy. If I were more introspective perhaps I would know why.

Personally, I find the way that everyone seems to think the bots were all that hard to write really, really disheartening. Granted, they weren't my bots (except the super-ghetto bash version), so no offense intended to w-lfs-n, but still. Especially coming from people who apparently write crap on the internet professionally.


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:11 PM
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"Mom, I didn't really spend all that time cruising the porno sites internet for an appropriate bride. I was just chatting idly with my underachieving friends".


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:11 PM
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strasmangelo, your scorn should be directed at the people who actually wrote the bot programs (soubzriquet and Lunar Rockette).


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:11 PM
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17: My greatest fear is that someone will reveal my true identity, and then realize that I'm actually fairly boring.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:12 PM
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We're high level intellectuals, LR, sort of like Henry Kissinger. We don't do the menial stuff.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:12 PM
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Also, the article should make it clear that the winners last year were equally bot-aided. Capps and Andrews are being dragged through the mud as if they had used unprecedented campaign tactics.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:13 PM
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Kriston's response validated his win, as far as I'm concerned.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:13 PM
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I have to say, the article is pretty good: that's pretty much how things happened and he doesn't draw a bunch of unwarranted conclusions.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:14 PM
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The version we used was one w-lfs-n wrote, not soubz; soubz wrote last year's model, which we ended up not using. I just made it into a Windows executable, which is ridiculously simple to do. Trained monkeys, etc.


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:14 PM
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Actually, now that I reflect upon it, I've decided that this bot-running thing of Unfogged's was in fact a brilliant campaign to subvert and undermine the hegemonic beauty standards represented by the tyrannical Hot or Not contest. Kudos, bot-people.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:17 PM
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This blog is popular with "Washington types"? That brings to mind an actual political blog.

I'd say it's more popular with Chicago types, that is, moderately stressed lawyers. Or Santa Clara types.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:17 PM
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The woman called "Becks" seems vaguely sinister to me. Does anyone know anything about her?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:17 PM
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We need to figure out what Farhaad Manjoo's pseudonym is.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:19 PM
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8: I'm only here for the indignant lefty contempt.

Right now I'm here because it's morally and legally wrong to beat up stupid undergrads and one's own offspring.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:20 PM
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28: That was the conclusion I eventually reached as well.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:20 PM
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I don't think Manjoo actually reads the site.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:21 PM
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We need to figure out what Farhaad Manjoo's pseudonym is.

"Ogged" obviously.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:21 PM
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HOPE U LIKED MY SALON PIECE

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BORING LIBERALS

BTW "FARHAD" HAS ONLY 2 A'S


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:21 PM
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Fargo types.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:22 PM
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Actually, the full response when he asked me my name was "Not a chance. But I can tell you that I have a cousin named Farhad."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:22 PM
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We need to figure out what Farhaad Manjoo's pseudonym is.

What makes you think he posts here?


Posted by: Drama Oaf John | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:22 PM
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32: I take it classes have begun.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:23 PM
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32: I take it classes have begun.

I have a Scotch in my hand right now.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:25 PM
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21/28: actually, soubz didn't write any of them.


Posted by: ro bot | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:26 PM
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We need to figure out what Farhaad Manjoo's pseudonym is.

No, we need to figure out what his real name is. "Farhaad"?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:27 PM
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"Farhaad"?

Like in Shrek.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:28 PM
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Sheeet, ogged.

I'll be back when the national attention dies down.


Posted by: President Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:29 PM
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39 "posts" s/b "comments"

I hate it when people mix those up.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:29 PM
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JUST LIKE RON PAUL

THE COMPETITIVE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE IS IGNORED IN THIS MSM ACCOUNT OF THE ELECTION


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:30 PM
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John of Armada? Ahaman O'Fjord?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:30 PM
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27 - There was also the Mac script, which was a straight shell script by me.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:32 PM
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We are, like, a metaphor for Washington. And it's totally cool that we pwned the New York Times, due to our fearless leader, Changez.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:34 PM
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I'm impressed -- I don't know if it's positively -- that Farhaad Manjoo wrote that story without using the verb "freep". Hey, Ogged, congratulations on singlehandedly inventing the idea of ballot stuffing unscientific online polls!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:37 PM
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You know what? "Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker" sounds a lot like an early Gorey character name. Maybe that's just because of Mr Earbrass, of The Unstrung Harp. Hm. This bears investigation.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:39 PM
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First the enterprising investigative reporter uncovers the story, next come the subpoenas and Congressional hearings. Ogged will testify from behind a screen, through one of those voice distortion thingies.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:39 PM
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But anyway, this is slightly worrisome. Salon mentions "a pseudonymous woman named Becks", and then links to a picture of Catherine and Kriston which happens to also have Becks in it. We can be pretty sure that someone who knows Becks but doesn't know about her online persona will see that picture and then start poking around to see what she wrote on Unfogged.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:39 PM
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I have to say, the article is pretty good: that's pretty much how things happened and he doesn't draw a bunch of unwarranted conclusions.

The part where he thinks it's noteworthy is pretty much where it falls down.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:41 PM
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I have to say, the article is pretty good

I guess. It does hit on what would've been my own rationale for having run bots, had I done so, ahem. Quoth catherine:

"I mean, this contest is completely ridiculous, and in previous years many of the winners had won by bots"

But that's kind of buried in the article. It was a pretty stupid contest, and that's the point, for me.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:41 PM
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55: mmm.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:42 PM
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Also the phrase "Ogged and his fans" doesn't quite ring true.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:43 PM
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Yeah, the article comes off as pretentious as hell, It's written about something totally trivial yet it's completely not funny, which would be the only excuse. I mean, could you write an article about something real? It's not like the financial system is imploding or we're bogged down in any disastrous wars or anything.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:44 PM
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You know what? "Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker" sounds a lot like an early Gorey character name.

Are you setting a trap for some naive commenter, Ben?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:44 PM
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"," s/b ".". Also, 55 totally pwned me. It's like, pithy.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:46 PM
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popular with D.C. types

On so many levels, I resent that. The only reason I like you folks is because you're not "D.C. types." If you were, Emerson and I would shun you and form our own wonky blog: Emerkauf. (And John would be pleased, as our site would win Google.)


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:47 PM
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61: I, too, have suffered 55 pwnage. Damn you, fishbasket!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:47 PM
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Oh I'm so DC.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:47 PM
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links to a picture of Catherine and Kriston which happens to also have Becks in it

Oh, shit, I hadn't clicked through. Any replacements we can suggest to Manjoo?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:48 PM
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You remembered the basket! I have been enjoying the many forms of my pseud.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:49 PM
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65: they look quite stylish here.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:49 PM
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64: You so are not. Please, tell me about Los Angeles. See! You know about the West Coast, ipso facto not a D.C. insider.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:50 PM
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60: if I am, it's one into which I've already fallen. I had to google the name to find out why it sounded so familiar, since I was pretty sure it wasn't a Gorey name, even if it had the fizz and hue of one, and learned, all over again, that the name comes from Finnegans Wake. As I say, I'm fairly sure that the name doesn't also occur in the Gorey corpus; am I wrong?

Sir, am I wrong?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:50 PM
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68: that's where the Nixon Library is, right?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:52 PM
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65: This one. Might want to move it to an unrelated photo stream.


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I just assumed you knew it was from Finnegans Wake. One of those myriad HCEs. They go through the text alongside the ALPs.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:53 PM
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Well, I did, even before I posted that comment. But it didn't seem necessary to mention that.

ALP

Adenosine Liephosphate. All Lomorrow's Parties. American Lumpy Persons.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:55 PM
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Right. I am already totally shocked that Becks is able to maintain pseudonymity while living with that eponymous crew, but the links to pictures like that don't help.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:55 PM
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that eponymous crew

Everyone knows not to mess with the Crew.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:56 PM
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Anterior Logoleptic Paraplegia


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:56 PM
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Say, since this whole thread is going to end up being redacted anyhow, does anybody want to see my penis?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:57 PM
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Any Leftover Pseudonyms.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:57 PM
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An olivia pleurisy


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:58 PM
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I just emailed Manjoo with some alternate photo suggestions. Here's hoping.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:58 PM
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Knock yourself out, Sifu.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:59 PM
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71 was me. You might want to redact Ned's excellent point, as well.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 8:59 PM
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Perhaps redactions are in order, of comments here.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:00 PM
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Here you go!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:00 PM
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I just emailed Manjoo with some alternate photo suggestions. Here's hoping

See 4 above.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:01 PM
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I'm tired people, spell it out for me, what needs to be redacted?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:01 PM
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80: I'm not sophisticated about these things (as this comment will no doubt attest), but can't someone do something on the other end? That is, can't someone move those pictures and put something more appropriate in their place?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:01 PM
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Capps looks plowed. Like Bitch, Catherine looks wholesome.

Sorry Catherine. Sorry, Bitch.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:01 PM
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54, 65, 71, 74, my pianist.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:03 PM
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Manjoo is going to use a different pic.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:03 PM
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86: 54. Why point out what might not occur to people new to the site? (And probably related comments).


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:03 PM
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So anyway, it turns out that the hot Iranian Bay Area guy that the lifeguard was hoping to get an email from was Farhad Manjoo.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:04 PM
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54 65 74 71?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:04 PM
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Holy Christ-fucker, Sifu, I know the exact search you made. Sadly, you neglected to go to the second page, wherein lay the better picture.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:04 PM
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Catherine's not looking very feminine in that one.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:05 PM
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Damn. So now we have to say nice things about Iranian #2.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:05 PM
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But wait! Maybe B**** was counting on this to be her 15 minutes!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:06 PM
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97: yeah well Bitch is just going to have to wait. This is Becks, Kriston and Catherine's time.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:08 PM
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That is, can't someone move those pictures and put something more appropriate in their place?

Absolutely. Damn you ogged, you should have thought this through. Thousands of Salon readers could have been clicking through to this, but no, you had to queer the deal by telling Manjoo.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:09 PM
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Relax, he linked to a different picture, all is well.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:11 PM
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Oh, sorry, responded before reading your whole comment. (That's how fast I am on the trigger!)


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:12 PM
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That's what she said!

Heyoh!

Hm that was suspiciously fast turnaround: ogged IS Manjoo!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:15 PM
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ogged IS Manjoo!

Well, he certainly isn't Mandom.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:19 PM
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Compare and contrast.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:21 PM
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I'm not generally a promoter of redaction, but in the interest of promoting pseudonymity I should note that I didn't previously know who Becks was, and now I do, and I came to this thread after the photo-swap on Salon (so the only photo I saw linked directly from the article was just Capps/Catherine/Sausagely).


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:23 PM
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And so there's no panic, by "know who Becks was" all I meant is that I've now seen her photo. I wasn't able to run a full background check or anything.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:25 PM
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Ok, I'll temporarily unpublish this post and put it back up next week or something.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08-21-07 9:25 PM
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