Re: The Classics Are Classics For A Reason

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Are you really talking about a tape? Or just the idea that making a good mix is work (independent of the recording medium), and that it's nice to have someone direct that effort at you?


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:28 AM
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I don't know where you'd have to go to buy an actual audiotape.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:30 AM
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"Mix tape," actual media notwithstanding.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:33 AM
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I was still making actual mix-tapes [on tape] up until a few years back. I'm sure my local hi-fi shop still sells cassettes.

And getting a mix-tape from someone [ditto actual media notwithstanding] is lovely.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:37 AM
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You can even make an itunes playlist and send it as a gift download, with no physical medium at all (except for the computer and the wires and routers of the internet, Ben, you little bitch).


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:45 AM
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Yeah I would say they're even cooler now, because most people have access to so much more music.

On the other hand, the fact that the mixtaper doesn't have to listen to all the tracks might slightly cheapen the connection, in the mind of the mixtapee. I could see that: "the first three seconds of these songs totally reminded me of you!"

The mixtape on DVD is a lot of work (so many songs!), and might come off somewhat stalker-ish: "here, lovely person I'd like to know better, I spent 28 hours making this for you!"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:46 AM
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Although that wouldn't be ideal, given the itunes DRM...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:46 AM
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Yet another dispatch from a near but distinct parallel Earth: audio tapes are sold in any Target, Best Buy, etc., where I am. Sheesh, people. I haven't bought any, but they're there.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:47 AM
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I have promised to recreate several old mixtapes [that I made for my wife when we first met] in CD form, but it's such a bugger hunting down the original stuff.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:51 AM
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I think that audio tapes are sold in any Target, Best Buy, etc. There just aren't any of those store where I am.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:52 AM
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Does anyone know where I can buy a box of 5ΒΌ-inch floppy disks?


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 7:58 AM
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re: 11

Yes, assuming you are serious.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:00 AM
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Here you go Adam (although I'm under no delusions about your seriousness).


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:02 AM
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The mix tape is actually more awesome nowadays, because you can edit the songs to flow better together (fixing those songs which start with the end of other songs, for instance).


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:02 AM
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Adam is profoundly unserious.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:02 AM
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I like my new coworker and I think she has pretty cool taste in music. If I make her a mixtape, will she think that I'm trying to hit on her? Discuss.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:07 AM
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16: That would probably depend on your song selections.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:09 AM
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I'm Not Hitting on You, by the Destroyers
I Admire Your Intellect, in a Way That is Neither Aggressive nor Overbearing, by Green Day.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:11 AM
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Are you trying to hit on her?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:11 AM
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No. She is cute, though.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:14 AM
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It sucks to date someone with better music taste than me -- if I made her a mix, it would probably be met with a patronizing pat on the head.

Hopefully, though, some of her good taste will rub off on me and I can be superior to the next person I date. That's basically how I've gotten to where I am today.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:18 AM
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Smasher, they sell cassette tapes at CVS.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:20 AM
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The mixtape on DVD is a lot of work (so many songs!), and might come off somewhat stalker-ish

You know, Morton Feldman could've made that work.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:26 AM
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I have had better taste in music than most of the people I've dated. But because the music I listen to is often slightly experimental or unpleasant at first, they accuse me of not being into Feist or whatever out of pure cussedness.

It might, in fact, be cussedness.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:34 AM
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Where I live they don't even sell Wonder Bread and Velveeta cheese. I live in a high class neighborhood.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:35 AM
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The best mixtape I ever got was from a friend of mine at my high school on Long Island. Sadly, the tape itself snapped a year or so ago when I was trying to listen to it again.

The most recent mix I made was songs about monkeys. However, I could not find songs by monkeys ("The Monkees" notwithstanding). The best songs included Smokin' Banana Peels and Signifyin' Monkey.


Posted by: KJ | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:39 AM
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I always thought it was "mixed tape."

Deluded all this time.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:41 AM
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Once I've acquired this—what do you call it?—cassette at CVS, Target, or wherever, how do I go about locating a tape deck with which to record upon it or play it back? Do they have those at the library?


Posted by: Chris Conway | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:43 AM
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I married the first person who made me a kick ass mix tape.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:43 AM
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29: Come to think of it, so did I.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:46 AM
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I suspect many trenchy relationships begin with mix tapes.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:47 AM
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how do I go about locating a tape deck with which to record upon it or play it back

A radio station (community or student run?), DJ friends, eBay?


Posted by: KJ | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:49 AM
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The mixtape on DVD is a lot of work (so many songs!), and might come off somewhat stalker-ish

You know, Morton Feldman could've made that work.

On the other hand, giving someone a recording of String Quartet II, regularly asking if they'd listened to all six hours of it and taking it personally every time they said they hadn't -- that would be supremely stalkerish.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:50 AM
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I like my new coworker and I think she has pretty cool taste in music. If I make her a mixtape, will she think that I'm trying to hit on her? Discuss.

I would suggest that the mixtape include this song to show her what she means to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTneO6UgRuM


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:53 AM
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The last non-internet-friend mix tape I got was after Max broke up with me a year ago. A trans woman I know from school, who had been having severe bouts with suicidal depression, calling me at all hours needing to be talked down, asking to borrow $800 at a time, freaking out about school and drugs and stuff---anyway, she heard about the Max thing and made me one of the coolest mix tapes I ever got. I felt bad, because I had recently gotten to the point with her where I'd be on the phone just dully reciting directions to the emergency psych ward until she calmed down. And here was this thing! With hand-drawn artwork on it! And a thoughtful note! Sometimes people really get it together when you need them and do something awesome like make a mix tape.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:53 AM
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I've got a few good mix-tapes made for me by friends. My friend who is in a band [it has been mentioned previously] made me a really cool on on my birthday one year.

I also have loads of really great and hard to get early 70s jazz and electro stuff from a friend of a friend who was i) a DJ and ii) really into making tapes for people.

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Cassette decks are still widely available. I bought a new one only two or three years back. I'll bet a kick-ass deck can be bought on ebay for only a few dollars.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:55 AM
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It was on CD, not an audiocassette, but still awesome.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:56 AM
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I vote against the mix tape, as well as the pressing on others of books you just have to read.*

The phenomenon is but one degree of crudeness removed from checking someone's familiarity with the indie music of their college years to determine their desirableness.

*And the associated phenomenon of "Blog/Book/Blook X is awesome and everyone should read it/buy it/obey it/tattoo it on their upper thighs." Like Why X Matters titles and unwords like "teh," it cuts me.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:58 AM
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re: 38

Man it must be hard going through life feeling that way.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:59 AM
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Now that I am thinking about it, I can't believe how many difficult moments and awkward conflicts in various friendships and relationships were negotiated entirely via mix tape song selection. It can be a very cathected medium.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 8:59 AM
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38 What I meant to say was that so often Teh Mix Tape genre has mercifully pwned an entire awkward conversation.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:01 AM
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re: 40

Yup. I made someone a mix-tape in the past when they were leaving [for another country] which made it pretty clear to them [and to me, tbh] that I didn't want them to go.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:01 AM
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Some friends and I had a tradition of making mix tapes or CDs for each other at Christmas. Some of those mixes are the best compilations I own. And working on my mixes was great. We've fallen out of the tradition a bit, and my still-undistributed 2004 mix died with my iPod last week.

I was laid out with the flu for a week last year and a friend brought over a mix called "Dextromethorphan: Songs for the Sick and Afflicted," a totally comforting hallucinogenic drone mix that was perfect for flu-induced semi-consciousness.

I like mix tapes as tokens of affection.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:06 AM
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With hand-drawn artwork on it!

Every good mix-tape has hand-drawn artwork.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:07 AM
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we've taken up the Seth Cohen OC Chrismukkah mix tape making tradition in my circle.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:09 AM
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On a related note, I mourn the loss of good albums.

Mixtapes or digital playlists are a fabulous way to let a friend into a certain mood or to convey a certain message to a friend.

Haters can simply not listen.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:10 AM
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Yeah, it's especially great when you have friends who are really into some genre or style of music that you don't know anything about. Then you get a tape where something suddenly appears that blows your mind.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:11 AM
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Absolutely.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:11 AM
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That reminds me that I need to get some of those recommendations that NickS gave me.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:12 AM
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Which were? [always looking for good new music]


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:15 AM
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To completely revert to the Reagan era, I am almost done making a mix tape intended as the soundtrack to a recently-finished D&D game. I'm really pleased with it.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:17 AM
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29-30 My brother married a mix-taper, and they have two beautiful children.

My brother is aware of my relationship principles, but he flouts them.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:18 AM
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Isn't the mix tape uncomfortably close to the sort of pseudo-romantic but actually aggressive thing that the "Nice Guys" whom feminist bloggers despise and male bloggers insist they aren't would do? If your emotions about someone are so strong yet crude as to motivate the gift of a crudely-Sharpied Songs for... CD, is it not at least as likely as not that the person in question already knows and would prefer that you not put her in the position of having to reject you explicitly?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:23 AM
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A large group of my friends started a mix CD club where everyone takes turns sending out CDs with 20 or so songs, plus original cover art, and since there are 26 people in the club, they each do it twice a year, and spend the rest of the year just receiving new CDs. The Wash Post did an article a while back about them, which was kind of cool.

I thought about joining, but, although some of the selections were new to me, I realized that a lot of them were, like, radio pop or The Beatles. There was much behind-the-scenes snarking about how songs from other mix CDs from past years were repurposed for the club, or how, like, really, does anyone need a mix CD to draw their attention to Franz Ferdinand?

Point being: mix CDs made for individual people? Intimate! Mix CDs made by one person and sent out to a group? Great! Mix CDs created under social pressure for a large group of people with unrelated interests? Dangerous territory, friends.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:23 AM
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re: 53

No.

[Put it this way, the vast bulk of the mix-tapes I have were given to me by male friends, and I've never given a mix-tape to someone who wasn't a platonic friend until after we were already fucking.]


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:27 AM
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Which were? [always looking for good new music]

Mostly I pointed Will in the direction of the track listings that I've posted before. I am still proud of all of those, and keep copies in rotation in my own music listening.

To completely revert to the Reagan era, I am almost done making a mix tape intended as the soundtrack to a recently-finished D&D game. I'm really pleased with it.

Post the track listing!


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:27 AM
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Isn't the mix tape uncomfortably close to the sort of pseudo-romantic but actually aggressive thing that the "Nice Guys" whom feminist bloggers despise and male bloggers insist they aren't would do?

That's only true for the sneaking "I'm afraid to tell you I like you, so I will SHOW YOU WITH MY SONNNNGS" version. Snarkout made me the mix tape I mentioned in 30 after we started sleeping together, but after I had moved away from where he lived, of songs suitable to listening to while I used my freshly acquired driver's license to drive around real fast. It was a superb soundtrack to fast driving, and kept reminding me of how awesome he was. Excellent work, Snark!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:28 AM
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I'm making you a mix tape when I get home tonight, Flippanter.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:28 AM
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I thought the done thing these days was for friends to shared their entire music collections on portable drives.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:28 AM
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A sexxxy, sexxxy mixxx tape.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:29 AM
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I've never gotten a creepy Nice Guy mix tape, but I'm not the sort of girl Nice Guys fixate on.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:31 AM
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re: 56

ta.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:31 AM
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how, like, really, does anyone need a mix CD to draw their attention to Franz Ferdinand?

It kind of sucks that people expect mix-tapes to contain nothing at all they are familiar with.

It's great to hear new stuff, but the desire that it be all new stuff seems oppressive. [which, I take it, was your point]


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:32 AM
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Actually, this entire conversation reminds me that I've been intending to put together a CD-length mix tape of old funk and soul (Unfunkked, perhaps) to make available for y'all to download and burn yourselves. Maybe I'll get that done this weekend. Guaranteed to be more danceable than w-lfs-n's radio shows.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:33 AM
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During the height of mix making days as undergraduates, my friends as I had a set of 5 songs (the only one of which I can now remember is Ani DiFranco's 'Napoleon') of which 2 had to appear on every mix tape. For a moment of relaxed familiar listening.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:34 AM
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I vote against the mix tape

Teh saddest words ever written.

One of the things I liked best about mix tapes was how recording accidents could become cherished effects. Occasionally, I'd hear a song I liked on vinyl after discovering it on a mix tape and feel a little disappointed that some noise or error from the tape wasn't reproduced on record.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:35 AM
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58, 60: I like black metal.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:35 AM
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My mix list is here w-lfs-n, B., and Frowner have versions of it, but none has asked me to marry them. I guess my mix didn't make the cut.

2 1/3 CDs worth. Long cuts.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:37 AM
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61: What about creepy asshole guys?


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:37 AM
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69: Sounds like an offer. Watch out.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:39 AM
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63: Some of the track lists from my friends' club annoyed me, in that they were entirely made up of songs everyone already knows. I think I tend to like mix CDs that are largely stuff I don't know. It's not like it's automatically crap if there's a song I've heard before on it -- sometimes a recognizable song can help ground a particularly unfamiliar mix -- but a CD made up of stuff I already have or have heard? Eh. It's hard to get too excited about it.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:40 AM
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re: 68

Actually, I remember thinking at the time, that that was a bloody great list. Good mix of the familiar and the unfamiliar too [I've only heard about a third of what's there].


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:40 AM
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Also, to 50, I have just been working on a new mix which I may post at some point, but which had 2 songs that I wanted to recommend to Will in particular, and might as well post here.

"Standing in the moonlight" from Paradise Lost and Found but Michael Smith and Anne Hills
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Etta James' cover of "I've been Loving You Too Long" from Love's Been Rough On Me (though I got it off a collection).

The first a really nice, happy duet. I am very much a lyrics person, but the first couple of times I listened to that one the only thing I cared about was they way they sung together on the choruses. It is filled with so much joy of music-making.

The second is a cover that is is completely faithful to the original, but sung by someone who is clearly older than Otis Redding was. Etta James was 59 when she recorded it, and it's so soulful, It makes "too long" sound like years or decades. It just captures that feeling of, "loving you has become so much a part of me that I can't change that."


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:40 AM
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69: It's all I know. Don't mock.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:41 AM
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69: Cold, unfeeling psychotics don't make mix tapes. FWIW.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:43 AM
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64: this would be great.

Some friends of mine were in SF and met a homeless guy who said (plausibly!) that he was Willie Sparks of Graham Central Station.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:43 AM
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75: Yes, but what about a cold unfeeling sociopath?


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:46 AM
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I have a track by Sainkho Namtchylak that appears on about half a dozen mix tapes that I've made for other people; for no other reason than it's utterly astonishing and beautiful. It's just as well I've stopped doing mix tapes or my friends would be sick of it.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:47 AM
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I like Britney's new single.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:48 AM
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It's OK. Not as good as 'Toxic', imho.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:49 AM
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77: Are you hitting on me, Kotsko?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:50 AM
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I have never done anything but hit on you.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:51 AM
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I vote against the mix tape, as well as the pressing on others of books you just have to read.*

After a friend once complained about this, I made her a superb cultural-imperialist mix-tape.

This is probably the thread in which I should renew my pledge to send everyone a mix who sends me an address (and to send Ben his book). I owe you for botting me into a new tier of humiliation, from which I have yet to descend.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:52 AM
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64: yes, please please please!

Also, this seems like the appropriate thread to mention that the book Love is a Mixtape is a great read.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:53 AM
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68. You take no prisoners, do you, John? But a great list.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:54 AM
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Sometimes I wonder why I bother.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:54 AM
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but a CD made up of stuff I already have or have heard? Eh. It's hard to get too excited about it.

I don't think I agree.

I've never gotten a mix tape from someone else that was that familiar, but I always make mix tapes for myself as much as for other people and it's fun to hear songs in different contexts. In many cases I make mizes partially because I have songs that I don't listen to as much as I might because I don't like the album, and I think I can put it in a better context.

Part of how I know I've made a good mix is when I'm listening to a song, and the music that I mentally expect to follow that song is the music that I've follows it with on my mix rather than the original album.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:54 AM
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The cover of the best mixtape I ever got was entirely made from the empty box of the cigarettes we had gone through at the bar the night before. It was that Nil brand, with the pretty turquoise and white design, and then with little silver accents from the foil inside.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:58 AM
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This is probably the thread in which I should renew my pledge to send everyone a mix who sends me an address

Really?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:59 AM
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64: My SO is in such a club, though they just have 12 people and do one disc a year. She really enjoys both parts of it - I think because it gives her an outlet for her musical creativity, which is not well-supported by my relative philistinism (9 days out of 10, I don't listen to music at all), and because it serves some of the role of introducing new music that the radio used to serve. But she was an astonishingly prolific mix-tape producer in her youth, with lots of songs taped directly off the radio, so I think she's seriously invested in the concept.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 9:59 AM
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56: Here you go. If you go up a directory there's a .zip with everything in it. I don't angle to expose people to new music with my mix tapes so I can't claim it's original. It even has Franz Ferdinand as that's what the player of Dyson chose for that character. It fits the game and the characters, though, and yes I do play the character whose theme is a RuPaul song.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:04 AM
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Dextromethorphan: Songs for the Sick and Afflicted

A friend of mine's cat is name Dextromethorphan. She could be considered both sick and afflicted.

I used to love the mix tape playlists The Mad Peck used to do with some of his cartoons--you can see a couple of them in this thread (the first one is practically a series of cliches of garage and rock at this point, though fun to remember it rated as punk in 1972.) Never tried to reproduce any of them, just liked reading the song lists. Lots of fun stuff. Hm, it looks like The Mad Peck's own website has been suspended, though; wonder what's up with that.


Posted by: JL | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:05 AM
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I am often almost completely dependent on friends for new music.

Friend A: What are you listening to these days?

Me: Uh, um, Friend B's mixtape? And yours?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:06 AM
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I confess that I lost Emerson's CDs while moving.

Hey, remember when I made a bunch of mixes last year? I've been thinking about doing that again. But I can't think of a good cd-case paradigm.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:06 AM
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89: Ya rly.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:07 AM
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91: Hooray, you great big nerd!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:08 AM
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McManlypants, you are a river to your people. (Bolt Thrower is named after a Warhammer unit, so I think you should incorporate snotlings into your mix tape somehow.)


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:09 AM
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JL, I have the Mad Peck book somewhere if you ever need me to scan some of his playlists in for you.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:09 AM
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87: I should say how much I've enjoyed that 'Autumn' mix you made. I never have much to say about music, but I've been listening to it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:13 AM
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Thanks, snarkout, but no need--I have it, too. Though I have to start looking around for a new copy, mine's getting worn down.


Posted by: JL | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:15 AM
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and yes I do play the character whose theme is a RuPaul song.

Is that a surprise after Robusto de Pantalones?

Thanks.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:15 AM
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I can't remember whether we're supposed to yell at you when you show up arond here, LB, but just for good measure I'll say GO AWAY.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:16 AM
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102--
meaning it in the nicest possible way, of course.


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:18 AM
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Please sign me up for the Armsmasher mix tape.

Slightly related, I am still going through the 400 gigs of Dead (and dead related bands) that a friend loaded on a hard drive.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:21 AM
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Hey, remember when I made a bunch of mixes last year?

I repeat my opiion that that was a heroic feat.

Making one mix takes a bunch of time, making five good mixes simultaneously (I can only speak for the one I got, but it was good) is impressive. I know the radio show gives you a chance to practice and keep in shape but still, I'd be curious to see what you could come up with to top that.

As far as packaging carboard sleeves are boring but cheap and functional (100 for $16).

I never have much to say about music, but I've been listening to it.

<beams>


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:27 AM
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Guadalcanal Diary

Wow, I havent heard them it a long time.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:29 AM
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I'm not sure whether the impulse to make a mixtape is produced by particular kinds of relationships with people or whether shifts in the circumstances of my life dampened the impulse, but it used to be something I thought about more. Lately, though, it's come up again because I've been putting together a playlist of music that plays for folks when they're on hold at my office. A lot of it is the same sort of thinking that goes into a mixtape, including (more or less vague) rules of thumb about what sort of music I want-- but you're thinking about the responses of random people, not someone in particular. It's been fun, and I've got it playing off an ipod in my own office all the time (that way I can answer when someone says "What was that playing while I was on hold?" "Oh- its the "Mandolin Boogie.""


Posted by: TomF | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:35 AM
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One theme for the hold playlist-- things like Muddy Waters saying "You say you love me, darling, please call me on the phone sometime" or Jelly Roll Morton saying "Hello, central, give me Doctor Jazz, he's got what I need, I know he has."


Posted by: TomF | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:37 AM
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Re: mixes, http://playin4keeps.blogspot.com/ has some really great hip-hop/disco/soul mixes.

I'd be happy to do a mix [and can probably chuck it up on some filehost somewhere]. I could throw in some Brit-jazz stuff that USians wouldn't know. Might be fun.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:39 AM
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Winter & Winter CD cases are really great.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:40 AM
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Email me your addy, will.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:45 AM
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I want a Smasher mix tape! You know where I live.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:49 AM
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112: By the way, I hope the bad week is improving.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:55 AM
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I once had a thought to create a movie soundtrack tape for a friend's favorite movie and suggest he listen to it while watching captions. I decided it was an interesting thought but not a good idea.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:55 AM
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112: By the way, I hope the bad week is improving.

Or ending.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 10:58 AM
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Becks, if it will cheer you, I will sing you a song.

Take that, mix tape!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:00 AM
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(Singing for people is MUCH creepier and more emotionally intrusive.)


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:01 AM
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(Especially when you wait, staring, expectant, when you've finished.)


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:03 AM
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Usually no one lets me finish. Too creepy!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:04 AM
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Asking someone to sing for you, however, is romantic and sweet, right?


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:06 AM
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I could burst into song right now.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:06 AM
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Becks and I are a couple of sad sacks lately.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:07 AM
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Good thousand-yard-stare lyrics for AWB to creep people out with


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:08 AM
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How about a nice rousing chorus of "Chicken Soup with Rice"?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:08 AM
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How are the ribs, smasher?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:10 AM
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123: I don't have a thousand-yard stare at all. But my soul stays a thousand yards behind me, so anyone choosing to look into my soul has to have deep-focusing eyes.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:12 AM
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A good song for AWB to sing:

All the phone rings are alarming
It doesn't matter
I can't escape the weight of these days
Nothing is special
No bad things
Even good things
But it's a swamp I'm stuck in
And the boggy crevices and the steep banks
And all the difficult terrain
So why do I want to (signal?) ??? time
Why do I need to smash in the brain
I don't know
It keeps on and I watch the scope of the periphery
Hoping I don't have to do anything
Because I'm not up to it
Or for that matter
Not up to nothing as well
Take my mind
Take my life and give me yours
Even success is not success
Even failure is not failure
There's just this empty time I must persevere through
And what is at the other end of the moment
As if it mattered right now
Little joy pockets are hardly enough
I support the stretch of time
Keep busy of course
Struggle to survive of course
Whatever takes your idea of the abyss and postpones it
Because the unbearable state of affairs is unsustainable
You don't have to do anything
It's obvious I suppose
Jump into the fire and then respond to that place


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:14 AM
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Wait, this one's even better:

Depressed
Just don't care
Can't get up a reason to do anything
Too early to drink
Sun too strong
Started to go someplace
Had to come back
Just turn around
Thought of it at the start
Pushed myself
Staring out the window
No expression
Must have seen things
It's the highway
Just a dead mental pervasive feeling
Like no feeling
Like no want
Just, well, heavy
Nothing
Don't want to hurt
Don't want anything
It's no use
Just lie low
Wait for tomorrow's nothing
They have hope, those creators
No creation here
Record a falling erection
The edifice of me
I don't care
Can't get up a care
I can put on a face
Learned that somewhere
Necessity
But I can't let them have me
God, how worse that can be
Depression is consoling
At least it's mine
I can be a slave to depression
But at least it's mine
The scary world of losing control is far worse
No reason to be, is something I know
There's no overpowering outside force
I don't excuse myself
Well, I don't care
I don't want to care
It seems alien
Oh sure, there's beauty
I remember that
It's quiet here
No moving things
The motivation of lower beings
The shadows laying
It's just nothing's interesting
The only interesting thing is nothing
That's all I want
I care about nothing


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:15 AM
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though fun to remember it rated as punk in 1972.

I think it might be the first recorded (U.S. at least) use of "punk rock". I don't remember ever hearing it before the late seventies. I wonder if it's an independent appearance of the term.

That reminds me of when they invented "yuppies". There were a couple of variations--one was Young, Upwardly Mobile Professionals: Yumpies. That would have been so much better.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:16 AM
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Christ, Ben, I'm not that bad.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:17 AM
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Wow, I have been decisively shot down.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:19 AM
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Those are pretty funny, Ben.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:19 AM
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I've always been partial to "The Spy" for my creepy song needs:

I'm a spy
In the house of love
I know the dream
That you're dreamin' of
I know the word
That you long to hear
I know your deepest, secret fear
...
I know everything
Everything you do
Everywhere you go
Everyone you know


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:22 AM
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I think

She's just sixteen years old
"Leave her alone" they say...

wins the creepiest lines contest. Especially as it's the opening lines to the whole song.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:25 AM
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The titles of mix(ed) tapes are underappreciated, actually. My favorite I have here, put together by a genius at the craft, is:

For 4 cups of coffee and a broken heart.

I believe there's an old track from Toad the Wet Sprocket on there.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:26 AM
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The two songs I quoted above are from the latest Jandek live double album, by the way.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:30 AM
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She's just sixteen years old
"Leave her alone" they say...

wins the creepiest lines contest.

And yet

She was just seventeen, you know what I mean

is supposed to be so cheerful.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:30 AM
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By the way, I hope the bad week is improving.

It's Friday. That's a huge improvement right there.

When I was in high school, we called special mix tapes "Jello Mixes". The cover of the cassette tape was cut out from a box of Jello and you told the tapes apart by the different flavors.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:32 AM
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But I could picture the "She was just seventeen" singer being 19 or 20, whereas the singer of "She's just sixteen years old..." sounds like he's friends with her father and tries to call himself "Uncle Bob" and makes up excuses to join the family when they go to the water park or to her softball games.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:33 AM
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91: My songs aren't on there, you bastard. Good choice with the Sioux and the Banshees tho.


Posted by: dob | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:34 AM
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I can see that you're fifteen years old No I don't want your I.D. I can see you're so far from home But it's no hanging matter

I guess that's too straightforward to be creepy.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:34 AM
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New thread, folks.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:36 AM
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I don't usually say things like this to girls your age,
But when I saw you coming out of the school that day,
That day I knew, I knew, I've got to have you.
I've got to have you!
She's been around, but she's young and clean.
I've got to have her, can't live without her, whoa no.
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen.

Extra bonus creepy that it's being sung by Gene Simmons.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:42 AM
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134: Heebie, the lead singer was 12.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:48 AM
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140: Ahem, but you haven't sent me the mp3's you promised of your songs. I eagerly await the opportunity to include them.

Perhaps if you sent them I'd be a little quicker about the summaries of the final battle with BOB? Hmm?


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:58 AM
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Although recording CD's is obviously *much* easier and better, I do get nostalgic for the ridiculous amount of work that went into making actual tapes, with the difficulty of changing the order or getting the pauses between the songs exactly right.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 12:12 PM
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getting the pauses between the songs exactly right

The most moving mix tape I ever got always hit me especially hard because of an inordinately long pause before a real weeper of a song. I never knew if that was intentional or not.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 12:36 PM
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I made a double mix CD, complete with album art, for B-Wo, Dagger Aleph, and one other person I've forgotten. I had the CDs burned and everything. They're still sitting on my desk a year later. I suck.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 12:50 PM
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If loving Lovefool is wrong, I don't want to be right. But it's intentionally creepy.


Posted by: Nbarnes | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:18 PM
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I have made many excellent mix tapes in my head on particular themes. Very few have ever actually made it onto magnetic tape. Though I'm currently contemplating one of danceable, reasonably political songs for a union friend who's getting married in the fall. There are more such songs than you might think.

Actually, the most appreciated mix tape I ever made was in fact the same song over and over again. A friend of mine used to put on "For You" whenever she felt crappy (which was quite often) and keep rewinding it and replaying it. So I made her a tape of it like a zillion and a half times in a row.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:20 PM
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Blackleg Miner!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:28 PM
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Perfect for union weddings.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:31 PM
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Most weddings are unions. Otherwise it's a divorce.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:39 PM
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danceable, reasonably political songs

I assume you already have these but The Housemartins, "Get Up Off Our Knees" and Billy Bragg/Wilco, "Christ for President" might be nice choices.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:40 PM
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Some weddings are intersections.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 1:42 PM
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I brought a mix CD to a meetup, that's the kind of guy I am.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 2:08 PM
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"Alternative Ulster"


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 2:09 PM
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154: Yes on those 2, but I'm happy to get suggestions.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 2:11 PM
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Really, there's lots of dance-y Stiff Little Fingers. Do you already have stuff by them on there?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 2:20 PM
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A) You people are a bunch of supersnobs for pretending that tape and tape players don't exist. Try looking at the CVS.

B) You people are a bunch of supersnobs for pretending that everyone on earth has heard of Feist and Franz Ferdinand.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 2:38 PM
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The only Stiff Little Fingers stuff I have is, as it happens, on an excellent mix tape a high school friend gave me. The tape itself finally gave way. But you're right, and I should track those down.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 3:45 PM
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To clarify: a friend gave it me in high school, not a friend from high school recently made it for me. So breaking after 20 years was not unexpected.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 3:46 PM
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160: Hasn't everybody heard of Franz Ferdinand? They were in Guitar Hero.


Posted by: nbarnes | Link to this comment | 09- 7-07 11:11 PM
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Okay, creepiest lyrics hands down go to the abortion reference in Paul Anka's creepy "You're having my baby"...

"You could have swept it from you life
But you wouldn't do it, no, you wouldn't do it"

I personally think he should have changed "swept" to "vacumn suctioned" for clarity but whatever. The whole song is gross, anything where Paul Anka is referring to "his seed" makes me want to puke anyway.


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Okay, I just have to add, as the second creepiest, Sammy Kershaw's tale of abducting a teen in his Econoline-

I gave a girl a ride in my wagon
Now she crawled in and took control
She was tired as her mind was draggin'
And I said get some sleep--we'll get on down the road

Like a picture she was laying there
And moonlight dancing off her hair
She woke up and took me by the hand
She's gonna love me in my Chevy van
And that's all right with me

Could Ted Bundy have said it better?


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