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Obviously you keep watching because you love brutality.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 12:55 PM
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Couldn't this have waited? I'd really like to enjoy at least one week of football.


Posted by: hlah | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 12:57 PM
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This has something to do with Ogged's new role as the 21st century's avatar of misogyny, as posited in the thread just below this one.

Also, I agree. This stuff is hard to watch. Everything about football lends itself to injuries. Even the small number of games in the season.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 12:59 PM
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Obviously you keep watching because you love brutality.

I'm going to rip out your guts, Ben.

Of course, brutality is very entertaining, but I don't actually want to see people maimed. Ultimate Fighting is good in this regard.

As for football, that I watch because of the intricacy and precision. It would actually be more beautiful if the players were smaller and quicker.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:08 PM
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That's why real football is superior; at least there if somebody leaves the field disabled for life it's because an opposing player decided to take him out, not because the sport itself is so inherently dangerous.


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:13 PM
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Who was the guy who had his leg broken in a scrimmage during the SuperBowl a few years ago? As I recall, the network played the clip where his bone cracked and pushed out the back of his leg, over and over again.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:13 PM
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A scrimmage during the Super Bowl? I know those words but that phrase makes no sense.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:15 PM
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5: Theismann?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:16 PM
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Given football's fathomless vulgarity, I'm not sure why you watched in the first place.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:16 PM
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9: WELL I DON'T EVEN OWN A TV


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:17 PM
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If football were invented today, it would be outlawed very quickly.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:18 PM
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I see this thread's off to a great start.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:18 PM
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Get that weak shit out of here you bitch! (tackles teo, breaking his arm)


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:19 PM
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11, you have the argument wrong. It should be: "If football were invented today, the FDA would never have approved it. Therefore the FDA is evil, and we should strangle the government in a bathtub. But only so long as the government has come to term. Otherwise that'd be abortion. Then we'd have to strangle ourselves in the bathtub. But not in a kinky way. Because then we'd have to strangle ourselves in a bathtub... Ahh! Recursion!!!"


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:20 PM
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Sox just turned an elegant little double play. Why are you people wasting time with football so early?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:29 PM
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Stop trolling, baseball people.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:30 PM
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9: WELL I DON'T EVEN OWN A TV

This is true. I'm watching the Sox-Orioles game on my laptop at the moment.

If football were invented today, it would be outlawed very quickly.

It's nothing compared to a century ago. Crippling injuries and death were pretty common back then; sadly, slo-mo replay hadn't been developed yet.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:31 PM
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I just want the Phillies to get out of the 6th inning with the lead right now.

THANK YOU PULPO


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:31 PM
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More to the point Na fucking mibia just scored two tries against Ireland in six minutes. Christ almighty.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:32 PM
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Ha, yeah it's been rugby here all weekend. I missed the England match but apparently they were shit. The Welsh were great.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:35 PM
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Rugby looks cool, I wish they'd show it here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:36 PM
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More to the point Na fucking mibia just scored two tries against Ireland in six minutes. Christ almighty.

Shit. I know (really) a Namibian/Irish couple who are just getting back together after a while. Hope this doesn't blow it.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:36 PM
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21 gets it right. Also true of badminton.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:37 PM
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Yeah, England were shit. But the Irish are sucking at the moment as well.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:37 PM
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And is this another one?


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:38 PM
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Rugby looks cool, I wish they'd show it here.

Okay, now you're being reasonable.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:38 PM
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Oh fuck, ignore that last comment, just realised the game's on sky+ not live! Doh!


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:38 PM
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Rugby is great. Objectively better than American football on all measures except possibly cheerleaders.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:39 PM
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STOP TROLLING

FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, RUGBY AND BADMINTON PEOPLE


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:39 PM
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Nah, rugby must be good; I can sit and watch a rugby match but get bored shitless during (real) football.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:40 PM
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Are rugby union players crippled by injuries at age 40 and dead at age 55, like gridiron players?

What about rugby league?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:40 PM
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Is there a forward pass in rugby?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:41 PM
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I won't watch football or boxing because I find them far too creepy and unpleasant due in large part to the poor labor conditions.

The NBA, on the other hand, is pure yumminess.

September and October are times to spend with friends and loved ones instead of watching football. That way you can feel better about yourself when you go crawl into your cave when NBA League Pass starts up in November.


Posted by: Petey | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:41 PM
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31. a. Not as often. b. What about it?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:42 PM
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I thought kicking took the place of the forward pass.

Also, does "rugby" mean "rugby union", or "rugby league"? What's the difference?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:42 PM
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32: No.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:42 PM
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Is there a forward pass in rugby?

No (as you probably are already aware). That's the core innovation of the game: having to move the ball forward while only being able to pass it backwards. You can kick it forward, though.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:44 PM
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The forward pass wasn't legal in early football, either.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:44 PM
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Ok, that's what I thought. The forward pass is a pretty great thing; so I'm not sure about this objectively better in every way business.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:45 PM
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This is a tennis weekend, not football.

Playing tennis, that is. We finally have beautiful weather.

(Actually, my son and gf LOVE football more than anything else.)


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:45 PM
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Baseball may not be the globalized melting pot of Association Football, but my favorite team does contain players named "Fabio", "Juan Carlos", "Tadahito", and "Pierre-Luc".


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:46 PM
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"As for football, that I watch because of the intricacy and precision."

Boxing is a beautiful sport at its core as well, but that beauty doesn't significantly mitigate its ultimate creepiness.


Posted by: Petey | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:47 PM
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The forward pass is a pretty great thing

I see the point (the game-winning hail mary pass and all that). But just watch some YouTube highlights to see a good overlap or rolling maul.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:49 PM
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Ir 32-17 Na. Full time


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:52 PM
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I've been watching youtube rugby clips since CT had a few rugby posts up. Nice game, like I say. And the beauty of the forward pass isn't really the hail mary but a quick timing pattern.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:52 PM
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Baseball may not be the globalized melting pot of Association Football

This is why the US military should be distributing mitts and bats instead of deflated soccer balls. I want to see guys named Ahmed and Tariq on the pitching staff alongside Hideki, Josh and Julian.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 1:54 PM
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46. Culturally pwned!


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:02 PM
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I didn't know there were as many white people in all of Namibia as there seem to be on the Namibian rugby team.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:04 PM
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For me, the appeal of the forward pass is its high-stakes nature. There was a play in an Eagles game 3 years ago where McNabb ran around for 20 seconds looking for someone to throw to. If he gets tackled, the play is an disaster. But he finally gets the ball to someone near the end-zone, and it's a big play.

When I was young and underemployed, I watched football for the brutality. I had a shitty job with pay to match. That season, the Eagles had a monster defense, and I used to watch to see them brutalize opposing quarterbacks. When Reggie White would tackle Troy Aikman so hard that his head would bounce off the turf, it made the fact that Troy Aikman was famous and successful, while I was poor and a nobody easier to take. At that point in my life, the only thing that would have been better would have been a TV show that showed millionaires being hunted for sport.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:05 PM
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I didn't know there were as many white people in all of Namibia as there seem to be on the Namibian rugby team.

You should have seen the old Springbok teams. You'd think there were only white people in South Africa.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:06 PM
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BTW, I love all the national rugby unions' logos on that page. Except Portugal, whose logo is a stylized football with the word "RUGBY" under it. Nice job making it distinctively Portuguese, you idiots.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:07 PM
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47: See, now there'a a bat-and-ball sports gap.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:10 PM
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Except Portugal, whose logo is a stylized football with the word "RUGBY" under it.

That's because they have to remind the Portuguese themselves what game it is, exactly.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:10 PM
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Hockey is far more violent that football.


Posted by: hlah | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:11 PM
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54 - but less dangerous to the head and spine.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:11 PM
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The Portuguese are mostly still amateurs (think there's one professional who plays in .. Italy?). So someone's uncle probably doodled that in 20 seconds.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:12 PM
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Hockey is far more violent that football.

Not sure how you figure. In any case, collisions in hockey tend to be torso to torso, whereas in football, you have a lot of head-to-body collisions, as well as torso-to-leg collisions, both of which are likely to cause serious injuries.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:12 PM
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re: 55

I doubt this very much


Posted by: hlah | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:13 PM
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54 - but less dangerous to the head and spine.

I dunno, have you ever talked to a Canadian?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:15 PM
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Hockey injuries more likely to draw blood, less likely to cause permanent damage. Except to the teeth.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:16 PM
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Actually now that I think about it, there have been a lot of concussions reported in hockey as well. The NHL compares to the NFL in that arena. But that's just one type of injury.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:18 PM
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Given football's fathomless vulgarity, I'm not sure why you watched in the first place.

Stras, we are soon going to include you under the w-lfs-n sports commenting rule. That is to say: shut up, hooker.

That's why real what Europeans incorrectly call football is superior boring as shit to watch.

There, fixed that for you.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:20 PM
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I'm watching the [Red] Sox [ahem]-Orioles game on my laptop at the moment.

How does one accomplish this feat? Or do you mean you're watching the scoreboard on ESPN or something?

I'm currently upset that of the three local networks, two are dedicating coverage to golf, and only one to football. GOLF?! Not a sport.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:22 PM
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Beckett getting Roberts to swing at that last pitch in the bottom of the seventh, in the dirt, after a long, high-stakes at bat: better than some entire seasons of other sports.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:22 PM
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While I agree with the sentiment, apo, Jesus is the hooker here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:23 PM
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Fuck, how did that happen?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:24 PM
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How does one accomplish this feat? Or do you mean you're watching the scoreboard on ESPN or something?

MLB.com streams all games (for a fee); one of my co-workers subscribes and it looks pretty damn good. Other leagues don't do anything similar, as far as I know.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:24 PM
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Comment all you like about sports, stras.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:24 PM
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Apo throws an interception!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:24 PM
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63 -- I suppose that Jesus has a mlb-tv subscription, which is how I'm watching. You can watch any game of the season, live or archived.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:25 PM
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Beckett getting Roberts to swing at that last pitch in the bottom of the seventh, in the dirt, after a long, high-stakes at bat

I understand each individual word but the sentence is meaningless.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:26 PM
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Apo throws an interception!

Apo's still a little hung over from getting rip-roaring drunk while watching Ultimate Fighting last night.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:28 PM
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I understand each individual word but the sentence is meaningless.

I've noticed that when I listen to the news on the BBC, everything makes sense except the sports report.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:28 PM
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(speaking of fathomless vulgarity)


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:29 PM
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74->72


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:29 PM
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70 is right. It's mlb.tv, and mlb.tv is awesome. Have you checked out the mosaic feature, CC?

BTW, you football fans are so, so easy to bait.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:30 PM
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76 gets it right.

I almost subscribed to mlb.tv before realizing "What am I doing? This is my work computer, even if I do spend hours on it doing personal stuff every day and compensate by spending only 8 to 10 hours at home every night. That would set a bad precedent."


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:34 PM
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76 -- We ought to leave to poor suckers alone, Jesus.

What's mosaic feature?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:35 PM
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mlb.tv works best if your browser is Mosaic? Wow, old school represent.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:35 PM
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No, the premium mlb.tv subscription offers the option of having six games at once on your screen (with volume for one at a time).


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:37 PM
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And they call it mosaic, in case that wasn't clear.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:38 PM
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Okay, this is ridiculous. Now it's racing, the US Open (Liza Minelli? Shut up.), and golf. I NEED TO SEE THE BEARS GAME. Ack.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:39 PM
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They've held Tomlinson to 3 yards on six rushes so far.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:41 PM
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Well was his neck broken or not?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:43 PM
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I wish I could see that game, too. Sad.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:43 PM
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85: They're playing San Diego. Not on in SF?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:44 PM
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Nope.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:45 PM
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Football is one of those primal war metaphor sports, except raised to a beautiful level of precision and complexity by the many options available through the pass. It's good that players have to wear armor to participate.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:46 PM
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It would actually be more beautiful if the players were smaller and quicker.

I see cute little 3" football players playing on a birthday-cake field. That would be so exquisite!

You could pop them in your mouth after the game was over, and then eat the cake.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:47 PM
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JE, that's a horrible idea for a fetish website.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:49 PM
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Jesus, I think mosaic would just be annoying. The fucking Yankees are fucking winning again, for example. I don't need to have that in my face.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:49 PM
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I was trying to write a Heebie comment. She doesn't seem to be here.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 2:53 PM
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Emerson, as god is my witness, I thought that was Heebie until I got to the signature.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:04 PM
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91: Yeah, I like the idea of it, but I've never felt any need for it. I could see maybe trying it at the end of a tight season, which this one isn't anymore. Fucking Yankees, though. They've been spectacular since the All-Star break, death be upon them.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:09 PM
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86: No, the Bay Area gets the thrilling Raiders-Lions matchup instead. It's almost enough to drive me to do something else with the rest of my Sunday afternoon, but I'm a bit hungover from last night.

Was pleased to see that the Vikings made easy work of the Vickless Falcons. Unfortunately, I don't imagine that Petersen can carry the whole team.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:24 PM
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Holy crap, this Bears game is on! I didn't know we had Fox. Clearly, I don't watch enough TV.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:31 PM
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The Panthers looked better than expected in their opener.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:32 PM
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Holy crap, this Bears game is on

Grossman has been terrible.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:34 PM
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OTOH, holding LaDainian Tomlinson to 12 yards on 11 carries (especially given that one rush was for 10 yards) is pretty goddamned impressive.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:39 PM
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The ease with which the newish Ogged-as-misogynist label way back at comment 3, with some historical referent, seems to go down ... doesn't go down well.

It's Sunday afternoon, though. Enough.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:44 PM
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re: 4 and 72

I can't watch Ultimate Fighting.

There's a certain ironic inconsistency in the fact that I don't like watching it (the violence of it bothers me) when I'll be spending two hours tomorrow night kick-boxing.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 3:57 PM
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Randy Moss is back. I think that at his best he might be the best receiver of all time. I hope he has a few more good years.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 4:08 PM
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The reason intellectuals like baseball so much is that football is too complicated for them.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 4:12 PM
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@101: Think so? Doesn't seem either ironic or inconsistent to me; I'm like that about a lot of things. I played (North)American football—in both countries—and hockey with abandon, but don't really like to watch either on television. Live, in a stadium or by a field, or in a darkened arena for hockey, is genuinely absorbing. I remember Oscar Robertson, the great basketball star of my youth, saying he couldn't watch either.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 4:32 PM
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I am so far not happy to have found this Bears game on TV.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 4:46 PM
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104: I remember Oscar Robertson, the great basketball star of my youth, saying he couldn't watch either.

Yeah, I guess it was all basketball for the Big O.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 4:47 PM
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102: they seemed to be using him well, and not overusing him.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 4:59 PM
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the only thing that would have been better would have been a TV show that showed millionaires being hunted for sport.

I pray that some producer will see this and make it come true.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 5:10 PM
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If I had started Berrian instead of Deion Branch, I'd have opened my fantasy football season with a win over the guy with Tomlinson, rather than losing by three. Isn't a team's #1 receiver supposed to catch, like, even one pass?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 5:13 PM
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apostropher is banned!


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 5:14 PM
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Yeah yeah, I know.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 5:19 PM
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Booyah, Bears fans. Booyah.


Posted by: Trevor | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 5:57 PM
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the only thing that would have been better would have been a TV show that showed millionaires being hunted for sport.

I pray that some producer will see this and make it come true.

The only problem with this is that the hunters would be billionaires.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 6:05 PM
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broken neck?
nah.
the wires are just saying he had a "cervical spine injury".

nothing like a broken neck.

poor bastard. hope he gets better.


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 6:28 PM
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4: As for football, that I watch because of the intricacy and precision. It would actually be more beautiful if the players were smaller and quicker.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I assume someone has pointed out to ogged that they already have such a sport, namely college football, which is indeed far more beautiful and more fun to watch.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 6:36 PM
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Grossman was a disaster today. The Bears D can carry almost any offense, just not the one they have. Sad.


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 6:53 PM
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Your boys had a nice day, though, baa. That Moss guy looks like he might be a good addition.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:01 PM
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The Bears D can carry almost any offense, just not the one they have

I think they could carry any quarterback except Grossman. Why they don't pull him, I have no idea.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:03 PM
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Seriously. Holy crap!


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:03 PM
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college football, which is indeed far more beautiful and more fun to watch.

College football is in no way quicker than pro football.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:04 PM
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And most of the players aren't as skilled...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:05 PM
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Moss is very promising.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:05 PM
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I'm a little scared of this year's Pats, and I'm a fan! I can only imagine how it is for everybody else.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:11 PM
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College football play, as Apo and ogged note, is inferior to the NFL. There are also too many blowouts. And the bowl system sucks. To top it off, it's an exploitative enterprise that pays employees in a worthless company scrip (a diploma in sociology of sports) and at the same time degrades the educational mission of US universities. Other than that, great entertainment if your town doesn't have any NFL.


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:15 PM
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No, college isn't faster than the NFL, but the players are smaller. And it *is* more exciting. Though there are more blowouts. And the bowl system can't even be considered part of this conversation, because yes it sucks bad enough nearly to wipe all the joy from college football altogether.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:17 PM
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To top it off, it's an exploitative enterprise that pays employees in a worthless company scrip (a diploma in sociology of sports) and at the same time degrades the educational mission of US universities.

Seriously, how can you not love baa? That corrupt aspect is even more clear in major college basketball, where recruiting talented employees with severely restricted wages is more obviously the difference between a coach who makes 150K and a coach who makes a few million dollars a year.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 7:19 PM
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ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Kevin Everett had surgery Sunday evening, hours after the Buffalo Bills reserve tight end showed no signs of movement after sustaining a severe neck injury in the team's season opener against Denver.

Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold said he was informed by the team's medical staff the player went into surgery at a Buffalo hospital at about 8 p.m. Berchtold said he had no further information, and didn't know whether Everett had shown any signs of movement since he was driven off the field in an ambulance.
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Posted by: zwichenzug | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 8:08 PM
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49 is possibly the best comment on this thread, although baa's a contender with his comment on college ball.

nattarGcM can't watch UFC? What the hell kind of Scot are you anyways?


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 8:32 PM
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Moss is very promising.

But it's no lichen.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 8:51 PM
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What the hell kind of Scot are you anyways?

The chilly and cerebral kind.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 8:51 PM
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Lichen tells no lies and makes no promises.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 8:52 PM
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49 was remarkably honest, or would be if there seemed to be any sense of shame about feeling, or having felt that way. So it might merely be brazen, for all I know.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 8:56 PM
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It would actually be more beautiful if the players were smaller and quicker.

What they should do is reduce the number of players on the field. Field dimensions and team sizes were set back when top athletes were much less athletic than they are today. Can you imagine 9 on 9 football at the NFL level? The great running backs would have room to work. Reggie Bush became a non-superhero in the NFL because no human being can evade 11 NFL-quality defensive players.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:31 PM
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Can you imagine 9 on 9 football at the NFL level?

That would indeed be awesome.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:35 PM
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There's an even more crying need for 4 on 4 NBA basketball. I need to start a mass movement around this somehow.

Of course, the players unions would never permit this.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:39 PM
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135 - or maybe the court should be expanded.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:39 PM
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The NHL does 4 on 4 regular season overtimes, right?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:40 PM
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This doctrine applies to pretty much all sports. The best soccer-football matches tend to follow red cards: the best match of 2006 was Netherlands-Portugal.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:48 PM
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This doctrine applies to pretty much all sports.

Except one.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-07 11:52 PM
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I'm not exactly taking it all back, or anything, but that Tony Romo plays a game worth watching.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-10-07 7:19 AM
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