Re: A Decided Lack Of Coaching

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She's consistent, you have to give her that.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 1:58 PM
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Which one of the IT-competent Unfogged community members wrote the script that automatically creates a post under Ogged's name on a sex-related topic whenever the comment frequency drops below 1 comment/minute for 30 straight minutes?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:03 PM
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The key to success is recognizing your strengths and playing to them. All the best to the happy couple. I recommend keeping Steve Bing in mind as a possible replacement.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:03 PM
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I was bummed that I missed the 3rd of 3 marriage ceremonies for Pamela and Kid Rock when they were in Nashville. It happened at Tootsie's Orchid Lounge - though I suppose it would have been more apropos to have had it at the faux trailer-trash bar across the street.

Also, rock on straight people! Way to use your marriage "rights"!


Posted by: KJ | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:08 PM
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Hey, use 'em or lose 'em.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:16 PM
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I once had occasion to reside for an extended period in the Waikiki hotel where the cast of "Baywatch: Hawaii" was quartered (yes, I know there are some skeptics out there who think I make this shit up, but it's all true--I've got witnesses). A couple of times I saw cast members in the bar or whatever. But by that time, Pamela had already left the show. I did rub elbows with David Hasselhoff at the Easter Sunday buffet line, though.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:19 PM
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You see--Pam definitely needs a dating coach.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:26 PM
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I briefly misread "Rick Salomon" as "Rick Santorum" and my heart soared.

I am starting to think legal marriage falls within the jurisdiction of that old saw about not wanting to join any club that would invite me.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:26 PM
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I am starting to think legal marriage falls within the jurisdiction of that old saw about not wanting to join any club that would invite me.

I think Jonathan Rauch's argument was pretty much the obverse of this: that gay marriage would strengthen the institution of marriage because only the most committed gay couples would do it, thus improving the average level of commitment of married couples in aggregate.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:32 PM
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because only the most committed gay couples would do it

Like with the heteros. Jon, meet Pam.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:34 PM
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Am I the only Canadian who feels a bit proprietary about Pam, and thinks of her as a superior person of her type?


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:37 PM
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a superior person of her type?

Is this like being the tallest midget?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:41 PM
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I have gotten in big trouble over the Paris Hilton tape once already, and if not capable of completely eliminating my rampant sexbot-loving misogyny, can at least try not to flaunt it. So except for questioning whether than damn forgotten figure skater( Marcia Gay Harden? Tami Faye Baker?) had the first famous sex tape...which of course I have never ever seen...I have no comment on this thread at this time.

Later, I may return to do the manly thing and roto-rooter the crowd.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:42 PM
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had the first famous sex tape

Jayne Kennedy was well before Tonya Harding, right?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:43 PM
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I'm not Canadian, IDP, but I do think that in any kind of just world, Pam would be dating Pierre Trudeau.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:44 PM
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in any kind of just world, Pam would be dating Pierre Trudeau

His advanced state of decomposition would make this a difficult relationship to sustain, I fear.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:45 PM
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That's why this world isn't just.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:46 PM
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9: Nice try, mister, but the soft bigotry of high expectations will not work on me.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:46 PM
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Pam is of Finnish descent and her Finnish grandfather seems to have been sort of cool.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:47 PM
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Nice try, mister, but the soft bigotry of high expectations will not work on me.

Hey, I was just conveying the argument, not endorsing it. And Rauch is an acknowledged homo, so if it's soft bigotry, at least it's of the self-hating variety.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:49 PM
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I did, of course, go on the record long ago stating that both marriage and military service should be limited strictly to women and gay men.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:49 PM
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20: I kid, I kid. More seriously, if he thinks we're somehow more pure of heart & intention than the breeders then he needs to get out more.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:53 PM
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14:Jayne Kennedy? What the remake of Body and Soul or the Playboy simulation? Neither would count.

Candi Barr might count, but she was a professional sex-worker in a professional production.

Joan Crawford is an urban myth. Trust me.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:53 PM
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Re: 22. I think the argument was that the "early adopters" would have a better average profile because there wouldn't be the same social expectations there as with breeder couples, ergo more rational thought, etc. Of course, as same-sex marriage becomes another banal norm, any such initial difference would tend to disappear.

Also, there may have been an argument about taming male sexuality, but I might be confusing him with Sullivan there.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:56 PM
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Jayne Kennedy

Whoa, I didn't even know about that one.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:56 PM
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What is this compulsion she has to marry these losers? Does she just enjoy having weddings?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:57 PM
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What the remake of Body and Soul or the Playboy simulation?

No, the grainy homemade tape with Leon Isaac Kennedy. Google hard eough and you'll find it. Honestly, Bob. I feel like you're letting me down here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 2:59 PM
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Google hard eough

Has got to become a byword


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:00 PM
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What is this compulsion she has to marry these losers?

Quick, someone send her a copy of The Rules!


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:02 PM
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11: As a Canadian, I do not feel proprietary about Pam. And I don't know that I think of her as "a superior person of her type," but I do think of her as vastly superior to the revoltingly scuzzy men she dates and marries.

Given her fame and fortune and worldwide fan base, why can't she come up with a better man? This is an almost-serious question.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:02 PM
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Is this like being the tallest midget?

Is this like being valedictorian of summer school?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:02 PM
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@30: Although you deny it, some of this disgust seems to me to be an expression of the bond I was referring to.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:05 PM
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Jonathan Rauch is a libertarian. You can't expect him to go making reasonable arguments.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:07 PM
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Given her fame and fortune and worldwide fan base, why can't she come up with a better man? This is an almost-serious question.

She's a prisoner of her sense of taste? Nobody starts out wanting to sex w-lfs-n; you have to work your way up to it, just as you have to learn to enjoy a nice wine.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:07 PM
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She's been married, what, five or so times? Her taste isn't getting any better, fine, but she really should consider the benefits of just shacking up.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:08 PM
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Hm, i never saw that tonya harding sex tape.

355:Maybe she just likes getting married.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:09 PM
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24: On the other hand, the ink had barely dried in VT before there were lawsuits over separation of assets and custody rights and I'd be shocked if there haven't been divorces already in Mass. I agree that overall it's more likely to be maintained by people who feel they had to fight for it but I don't want that to become a pervasive myth that lends nutbar righties any ammo of the but a gay couple got a divorce they aren't really trying!!1!one! variety when human nature takes its eventual course.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:10 PM
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I wouldn't want my well-meant advice to cramp her style, though. Go on with your perplexing, bad self, Pam! Good luck!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:10 PM
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Why do any of them want to get married? Yay Madonna.

In other respects, I hate Madonna.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:10 PM
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39: Isn't Madonna currently in her second marriage?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:14 PM
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Emerson, first you want us in the military then you want us married. Do you think we're going to form an army of lovers at your beck and call?

That'd be pretty cool, actually.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:15 PM
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Is there a ranking of the celebrity sex tapes?

Which one is the hottest?

Which one is the lamest?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:17 PM
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Well, the triumphant Greek armies were predominantly gay, for some sense of the term "gay".

I thought that Madonna avoided marriage. If I'm wrong, screw her.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:20 PM
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I wouldn't want my well-meant advice to cramp her style, though. Go on with your perplexing, bad self, Pam! Good luck!

A beautiful blessing, from someone herself half-C(C/2?). This is how I feel, and what I meant.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:20 PM
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Pam's serial monogamy brings to mind a couple of my parents' friends (my father's, actually; my mother tends to hate these guys) who have been married a zillion times. Basically, they're guys who aren't too good with relationships, yet can't bear being without one, and who are of a generation where you don't get to live with a lady unless you marry her. I've always figured we'd see fewer of these types around as their generation passed, but maybe Pam indicates otherwise.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:20 PM
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45: There are also a lot of guys who have tremendous vitality and charm but have no concept whatsoever of what their obligations should be.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:22 PM
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Which one is the hottest?

I withhold judgment until I find out for certain whether there's an Eva Longoria sex tape.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:22 PM
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Madonna is currently married to Guy Ritchie and was previously married to Sean Penn.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:24 PM
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Well, screw the bitch then.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:25 PM
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Of the ones i've seen, severina vuckovic's was the best


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:30 PM
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Ok, a thread about the relative hotness of celebrity sex tapes even skeeves me out.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:32 PM
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celebrity sex tape chicken


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:33 PM
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Which one is the hottest?

Hard to tell when you've only seen little 10-second teasers.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:37 PM
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Over and over and over.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:49 PM
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45, I think it may be surviving only among people for whom the desire for publicity factors into their decision-making process.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:52 PM
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Ok, a thread about the relative hotness of celebrity sex tapes even skeeves me out.

says the guy with an automatic feed of swimmer celebrity pictures.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 3:58 PM
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Have you seen R/andall B/al's package lately, Will?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:00 PM
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No. Ogged, I wouldn't be bragging about that, if I were you.

Are we going to have a DC Unfogged swim?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:05 PM
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I might be up for that, schedule permitting. Is there really a pool near the flophouse?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:15 PM
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That's an ugly penis.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:23 PM
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60: No, we're still not going to send w-lfs-n pictures of our cocks.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:36 PM
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Is there really a pool near the flophouse?

I am told that there is.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:44 PM
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I'll say that seeing amanda beard interviewed it made more sense why she hasn't quite taken on the identity of being totally hot.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:44 PM
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Meridian Hill Park has pools.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:50 PM
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50 doesn't really refer to weird al yankovic's sex tape, does it? I read the thread really quickly.

The Pamela Anderson bio omits her widely reported decision to have her breast implants removed. I won one of the squishy devils on ebay, and I use it as a wrist rest for my mouse hand.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 4:52 PM
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Thread die?

This is the Movie I am currently watching

"Paper Dolls was the opening film of the 2006 Jewish Film Festival in Amsterdam and was received with great enthusiasm. The story is of a group of Filipino migrant workers - rejected for being gay and transgender in their homeland - imported into Israel to care for elderly Jewish men and women, whose families could or would not care for them."

They have Israeli boyfriends, dance in clubs at night. Line:"That's not Filipino Drag. That's amateur stuff from the Central Bus Station."


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 5:18 PM
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Is 65 for reelz? Because then Wrongshore wins, places, and shows in today's comment stakes.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 5:18 PM
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For the record, the winning sex tape is Carolyn Murphy's..


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 5:54 PM
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What distinguishes a winning "celebrity" sex tape from a losing one? Lack of night-vision technology?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 6:12 PM
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Thank you, Knecht. The last sentence of 65 is a little made up. But it's true she had 'em out.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 6:30 PM
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I confess to thinking Pam Anderson is secretly better than herself. But then, I think this might be another example of the Arthur-Miller-marries-Marilyn-Monroe phenomenon.

I am not even taller than Arthur Miller.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 6:58 PM
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What distinguishes a winning "celebrity" sex tape from a losing one?

They're scored on a ten-point must system, with judges taking into account striking, grappling, effective aggressiveness/defense, and overall ring control.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:26 PM
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carolyn murphy is a celebrity?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:33 PM
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"In July 2007, earning at an estimated total of $5 million in the past 12 months, Forbes magazine named her sixth in the list of the World's 15 Top-Earning Supermodels."

That counts in my book.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:40 PM
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I didnt know who she was. but, yea that counts.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:41 PM
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To be fair, I didn't know who she was until the sex tape.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:43 PM
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I didn't know who she was even after the sex tape, having never heard of it because she isn't enough of a celebrity. This thread has cured this shocking gap in my knowledge.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:44 PM
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But, but, I disagree with apo, and I've barred myself from discussing it. This is horrible!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:45 PM
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To be fair, I didn't know who she was until the sex tape.

So what you're saying is, it totally worked.


Posted by: Trevor | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:45 PM
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I asked the original question bc everyone kept saying that the Paris Hilton tape was funny in a bad kind of way. The question becomes celebrity = bad sex?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:45 PM
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celebrity = bad sex?

Not Ms. Murphy, from what I recall.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:49 PM
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Come on in, Ogged. The water's fine.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:49 PM
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It's important that a marriage be built on a solid foundation:

Anderson would not say who she was going to marry but said "He's this guy, this poker player." She hinted that Ellen might know him, and he is famous. The relationship started when she owed him $250,000.

Instead of paying the debt off in cash, she paid it off with sex. "I paid off a poker debt with sexual favors, and I fell in love," Pam told Ellen. "It's so romantic.".

I give it six months.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:51 PM
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"I paid off a poker debt with sexual favors, and I fell in love,"

Now I just feel bad for her.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:52 PM
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So it's really much simpler than all that complicated stuff on the other thread. Just get yourself in debt to a professional gambler, sell yourself into prostitution before your knees get broken, and presto, married and living happily ever after. Even Emerson couldn't object to that.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:54 PM
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Worry not, ogged. Steve Bing is still available!


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 7:54 PM
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It doesn't even have to be a professional gambler, just a better gambler than you are.

Also, 50 gets it right.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 8:00 PM
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You know, she seems pretty together in public, and yet....

Poor Pammie.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 8:45 PM
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At least they both knew what they were getting into (her).


Posted by: Dr Paisley | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 9:48 PM
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Going in to the bottom of the 13th, Padres lead 8-6. Now, it's Trevor (Hoffman) Time.


Posted by: Trevor | Link to this comment | 10- 1-07 10:06 PM
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Rick Salomon wasn't the co-star of that video - he was the male lead.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 10- 2-07 11:33 AM
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Male lead, prop, it's a fine line there.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 2-07 11:41 AM
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