Re: Fursonas

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No words. There. Are. No. Words.


Posted by: NCProsecutor | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:23 PM
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I think we now know what's the matter with Kansas.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:26 PM
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Well, uh, hm. But! Er. (shuffles off into corner to cry for my people)


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:27 PM
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A White Bear is not what's the matter with Kansas... unless there's something she'd like to tell us?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:28 PM
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Um, can I ask why the one furry (is it a coyote?) keeps covering his crotch?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:30 PM
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There don't seem to be any portraits of white bears.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:31 PM
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I'd be curious to get Armsmasher's take because, honestly, I don't think some of them are all that bad. I'm impressed by the amount of expression he can get out of the suits' faces.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:31 PM
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I think they're terrible paintings, unfortunately. It would be fun to see terrible paintings of furries in the vein of Calderón, but these are not those paintings.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:35 PM
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The paintings look sexier than their subjects, though--the tiger in a robe with a saber(!) is a particularly good example of this. I think because in the paintings you can just pretend it's an animal, and not a person in a plush suit.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:37 PM
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AWB you're the very best kind of furry. He could help but do you justice in a portrait.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:37 PM
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Gotta love the last picture on that page, though. Pure awesome.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:37 PM
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That page being the first link.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:39 PM
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I want to see Fischl furries.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:39 PM
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I actually kind of like the paintings. It's not easy to evoke this kind of terror.

I should send this to my friend who's a furry.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:40 PM
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12: I would expect nothing less.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:41 PM
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Wow, glad I finally know WTF a fursuit portrait paint-off is.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:41 PM
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I highly recommend that you go to the guy's main photostream. Trust me.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:42 PM
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It turns out to be a bit less horrifying than a fursuit portrait pants-off, but just a bit.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:42 PM
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16: Oh, you make me laugh, and I overdid my ab workout the other day, and it hurts.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:43 PM
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What I want to know is who's consenting, here?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:44 PM
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More oatmeal for AWB!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:44 PM
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Hey, whoah, AWB, I think he's in Brooklyn!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:44 PM
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Comment to the photo linked by Sifu: "Its like "I and the Village" by Chagal."


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:46 PM
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These people. They're so free.

Just kidding, she's totally legal.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:46 PM
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I never pictured furries looking so cartoony. I wonder if they pillow-talk in high-pitched falsetto voices.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:46 PM
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22: I know. From my hometown, in my current residence. There's no escaping.

Incidentally, am I the only person here who's ever done furry work?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:47 PM
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26: do tell.

23: I'll be darned.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:49 PM
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Depends on your outfit. I think this one has to have a menacing voice.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:49 PM
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25: "lick my asshole you dirty, dirty raccoon" sounds a lot sexier in a Deputy Dawg voice.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:50 PM
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Incidentally, am I the only person here who's ever done furry work?

Come again?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:50 PM
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Those costumes look expensive.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:51 PM
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Couple of times, actually. When I was eight, I dressed up in a (quite lovely) Snoopy costume my mom made for me and greeted kids at the mall where my mom was doing face-painting. (When dad was out of work, we all pitched in.)

And when I was sixteen, I dressed up in a huge panda suit (local theme park mascot) to hang out with emotionally disturbed kids for my friend's social-worker mom.

Both experiences were deeply unnerving.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:52 PM
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Those costumes look like you could win them at skeeball. They're all misshapen.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:52 PM
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28: I'm all out of hope
One more bad dream could bring a fall
When I'm far from home
Don't call me on the phone
To tell me you're alone
It's easy to deceive
It's easy to tease
But hard to get release

Les ours sans visage bear without a face
Les ours sans visage bear without a face
Les ours sans visage bear without a face
Got no human grace you bear without a face.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:53 PM
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32: As long as your experiences lacked sexual overtones, game on.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:53 PM
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You are all weirdos.

Also, those don't look like paintings so much as photos that have had a photoshop watercolor filter applied to them.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:53 PM
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32: so when you do it now you're working through the trauma?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:53 PM
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You are all weirdos.

You're the one who thinks the furries can hear his comments.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:54 PM
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36: We are all weirdos?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:54 PM
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This guy looks like he's about to start rapping.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:55 PM
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Howl, howl, masturbate, howl.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:56 PM
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Incidentally, am I the only person here who's ever done furry work?

Nope.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:56 PM
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Man, doesn't anyone watch the muppet show anymore?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:57 PM
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34: maybe he just got the head part on backwards.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:57 PM
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Of course Jesus has. It's in the Bible.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:58 PM
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am I the only person here who's ever done furry work?

My social circle includes gays, straights, S&Mers, and occasional drag queens, but there's something about furries that still seems really, really weird to me. Is this an unreasonable prejudice?


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:58 PM
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Incidentally, am I the only person here who's ever done furry work?

Does being the mascot at a basketball game in 8th grade count?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:58 PM
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47: well, yeah.

46: in my defense, she only into the furry scene after we stopped seeing each other.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:59 PM
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47 What was the mascot?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 8:59 PM
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47: Apparently, yes.

I would like this guy better if he'd extend his purview to non-animal furries.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:00 PM
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The mascot was the wildcat, though the costume looked more like a tiger.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:00 PM
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there's something about furries that still seems really, really weird to me. Is this an unreasonable prejudice?

Nah, furries are well known to be at the bottom of the geek hierarchy.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:01 PM
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51: kinky!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:02 PM
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50 is pretty kinky.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:03 PM
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About ten years ago, and for many months, a guy worked the entrance to a parking garage at Broadway & Hollywood in Chicago, rain or shine, hot or cold, in furry Barney Suit, much more of a grape color than the 'saur himself, ubiquitous on tv in those days. We used to say: worst gig evah, but at least there was no reason to think he had to do the voice.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:04 PM
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Some high school friends of mine played in a band (called M/icrowavable Ham/ster), and they had this gimmick where someone would run out in a lion suit halfway through their set and dance around. I got tapped to be the lion for the school talent show. I fell off the stage.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:05 PM
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Maybe furries seem weird because I don't understand what a furry is, exactly. Is a "furry" someone who wants to have sex dressed as an animal or just someone who dresses in an animal costume. I always assumed it was the former, but if it's only the latter, that isn't so weird.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:05 PM
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57: there are many internecine debates on this topic.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:06 PM
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Mostly a furry is the kind of person likely to end up stuffed in a trash can. That's basically it.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:06 PM
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Does this count as a furry? Because it is bad ass.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:07 PM
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From the link:

Although the sexual fetish side of the subculture is just one part among many, it is the part that has been most widely publicized in the popular media.

Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:07 PM
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I hasten to add that my furry career consisted only of wearing a gorilla get-up for part of an afternoon for a Tokyo department store. I suspected that some of the organizers figured that dressing a foreigner as a gorilla was typecasting, but I still took their money.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:07 PM
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You are all weirdos.

Quoting a muppet does seem appropriate here.


Posted by: Observer773 | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:09 PM
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I think there are a lot of furries who just like cosplay, not necessarily erotic cosplay.

The thing about both my experiences was I wasn't allowed to talk, no one saw my face, no one knew my gender, and no one knew if I had a facial expression or not; they just saw a big smiling goofy animal waving. People are drawn to hug you when you're in a big soft costume, even adults (which is weird). Other people are tempted to knock you to the ground and throw things at you. So it's sort of a win-win, I guess.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:09 PM
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Well at least someone around here is culturally literate.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:09 PM
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57: According to the geek hierarchy (see 52 for link), Furries are less geeky than Erotic Furries. A subtle, but telling distinction, no doubt.

but if it's only the latter, that isn't so weird.

Oh, I dunno. I think that's still pretty weird.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:09 PM
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Redneck Theatre Presents
Shivbunny's One and Only Encounter with an Online Furry.
[vixen]: I'm a fox!
[shivbunny]: You're a fucking crazy lady.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:10 PM
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I imagine Erotic Furries get fierce static electricity shocks.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:11 PM
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65: You're welcome.


Posted by: Observer773 | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:11 PM
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65: "culturally literate" s/b "old"


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:12 PM
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68: Kinky.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:13 PM
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People are drawn to hug you when you're in a big soft costume

I'm sure that's part of the erotic appeal. That and the whole safety, regression to childhood thing. It's one of those things that seems odd but completely harmless, unlike the RealDoll people.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:13 PM
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she only into the furry scene after we stopped seeing each other

I've heard of people despairing that they turned their ex gay, but off of the species entirely? Ouch.


Posted by: Trevor | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:13 PM
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Taking the piss out of furries is so 2003.

The otakukin are the new frontier of internet ghastliness.


Posted by: Felix | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:14 PM
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Thanks Felix for reminding me.

Is "Otherkin" a subset of furries? Or are furries a subset of "Otherkin"?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:15 PM
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Wow, manual e-stim? Teo's right.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:15 PM
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It's one of those things that seems odd but completely harmless

That's why it's good for reeling in the kiddies, I imagine.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:15 PM
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77: Okay, that's pedophilia, which is a different thing and not harmless.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:18 PM
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When faced with their anime an Otakukin may find they have a deep familiarity with the world in which it occurs, or that they have odd foreknowledge of the plot, or feel like they know the characters.

I believe that's called "formulaic genre fiction."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:19 PM
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78: Oh, B. Nobody's furpect!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:19 PM
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Thanks to this thread, I find this otherwise innocent page almost unbelievably disgusting.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:20 PM
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80: Well done, Stanley!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:20 PM
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Nobody's furpect!

Just kidding. She's totally legal.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:20 PM
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Just like this sort of thing reels in the kiddies to the RealDoll scene.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:21 PM
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Just kidding. She's totally legal.

In Scotland, Wales, and Montana.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:22 PM
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Sometimes it is very difficult for someone to accept that they are Otakukin ... In the end being an Otakukin is not a choice, one either is or is not, and no amount of denial in either direction will change that fact. My only advice to Otakukin in the process of awakening is to stay strong, and don't be afraid to look for help where it will be given.

So it's bad enough having to put up with stupid Americans enamored of celtic mythology and calling themselves TEH MORRIGAN etc, but now not only do we get "Otherkin" who claim they not only believe but actually are leprechauns but also these jokers who think they are Sailor Moon.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:22 PM
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Well done, Stanley!

You hear that, Stanley? B doesn't want any pink in the middle of her furry.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:22 PM
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Just kidding. She's totally legal.

Or so the mullahs would have you believe.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:22 PM
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Is "Otherkin" a subset of furries? Or are furries a subset of "Otherkin"?

Probably separate sets, aren't they? Furries think they're actually existing animals; otherkin think they're mythical animals; otakukin think they're characters from anime and video games and fiction.

Together with the traditional people-who-think-they're-historical figures-like-Napoleon, we have more or less all the logical space of madness mapped out, I think.


Posted by: Felix | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:23 PM
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There don't seem to be any portraits of white bears.

Or mice, except maybe in that last picture on the first linked page.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:23 PM
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87 successfully shocked me. I think that's the first time a comment on Unfogged has ever done so.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:25 PM
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Otakukin believe that they, for one reason or another, have the souls of anime characters

That's nothing. I have the soul of a Loony Tune character.

Honestly, while I reserve the right to laugh, I don't really care who people think they are or want to be. Spice of life, etc.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:25 PM
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Am I the only one here who thinks of that scene from The Shining whenever anyone mentions furries?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:26 PM
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I've known since I was a little boy that I have the soul of Otto the Orange. What's tragic is that I cannot dress like him without being licensed by Syracuse University to do so. My lawsuit is currently in the courts.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:26 PM
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while I reserve the right to laugh

Well that's where the likes of TEH MORRIGAN get upset.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:27 PM
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There really should be a reality show where all the contestants are people who claim to be reincarnations of Cleopatra or whoever, and they compete to see who's got the real soul.


Posted by: Trevor | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:27 PM
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87 successfully shocked me. I think that's the first time a comment on Unfogged has ever done so.

Go me!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:29 PM
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I would buy a television to watch that.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:29 PM
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You hear that, Stanley? B doesn't want any pink in the middle of her furry.

OMG! I CAN SEE FUREVER!!!1!1!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:30 PM
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Am I the only one here who thinks of that scene from The Shining whenever anyone mentions furries?

Yes, totally. Me too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:30 PM
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Incidentally, am I the only person here who's ever done furry work?

Not if you count the time when I was 16 and went to school dressed as a woolly mammoth, in which guise I performed "Man of La Mancha".


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:32 PM
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There really should be a reality show where all the contestants are people who claim to be reincarnations of Cleopatra or whoever, and they compete to see who's got the real soul.

competitive asp-handling

nose-measurements



Posted by: Felix | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:32 PM
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pearl-dissolving


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:33 PM
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consul seduction


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:34 PM
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lack of forks in family tree


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:35 PM
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I know I'm alone in this, but I think the pictures are rather sweet. Look, being a furry is pretty much the dorkiest thing possible, yes, but it's so harmless, and there's something rather touching about people who really are not afraid to make themselves ridiculous. Lots of geeky subcultures try to be all "oooh, look, we dress like we're in the Matrix, we're actually all hip" (just as certain academics attend conferences wearing leather jackets and vaguely transgressive haircuts) but furries....no, furries just go right ahead and amuse themselves by acting ludicrous.

Honestly, I like geek subcultures.

It would be interesting to find out whether most furries are male or female. Steampunk seems--on a cursory inspection--to skew female, but I suspect furries skew male.

I'd always assumed the furries-and-sex rationale was about being too afraid of sex and bodies to engage in anything pleasurable while vulnerably naked/actually myself, and a fur suit not only would cover up all but the most salient bits but also distances the self from actual sexuality--the one having sex is not the vulnerable self but a giant cartoon raccoon or whatever. Really, it's just like hipsters being all ironic all the time--there, it's not the vulnerable self who's really drinking a potentially-insufficiently-hip microbrew, or sleeping with someone not-stylish-enough, or having feelings or whatever; instead, the ironically-distant hipster persona does these things. Safety in each case, but the furries have, so to speak, the courage of their convictions.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:35 PM
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Fischl

I quite like Fischl, especially his watercolors. He gets accused of not being technically great, but he's usually more interesting than say Hockney IMO. I also like Pearson-Wright a lot.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:36 PM
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I'd always assumed the furries-and-sex rationale was about being too afraid of sex and bodies to engage in anything pleasurable while vulnerably naked/actually myself

Lacan would have a field day. Disappointingly, though, I'm not actually a furry.

(Sure, Frowner.)


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:37 PM
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Sorry for being insensitive, Furowner.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:39 PM
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I could seduce the consul in to handling my asp for me.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:40 PM
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I don't know many figurative painters besides those three, actually. At least current ones.

I'm not sure about digs against Fischl, either; my favorite of the lot, and, to me, almost photorealistic, but with a palette just that much more tasty than reality.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:41 PM
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I only frown because straight society won't let me wear my cartoon skink outfit to work, you know. That's the root cause of my disenchantment with society.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:41 PM
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Frowner, the last time you wore that outfit, someone stepped on the tail and it came off, and the disconnected tail wriggled on the floor for a few minutes, and it was freaky. Remember?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:43 PM
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Frowner, don't you work as support at a uni? You could do it, I bet.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:45 PM
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Look, Heebie, if you hadn't been dressed as a cartoon owl, maybe I wouldn't have been all nervous and clumsy with the tail. I thought it was a no-predator event, anyhow.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:46 PM
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Questions: when erotic furries bed one another, do they exchange actual tails, a literal reading of the symbolic expression "get some tail"? This seems important.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:46 PM
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Not all fur costumes have tails, which is why the phrase "piece of ass" also became necessary.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:47 PM
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114: There was something in the Chronicle about a grad student who wore furry squirrel ears every day, I think, but I can't link to it from home.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:47 PM
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Do they wear clothes under the fur suit? Or is that part of the whole strangers-come-up-and-give-you-hugs appeal?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:48 PM
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Is the inside of the costume furry, too?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:49 PM
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118: Yuck. We have a student who is constantly in full-on goth costume (not just like black hair and lipstick and clothes, but like fetish clothes with ripped-out patches) all the time. It's not cute. Yes, I judge.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:50 PM
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I can't link to it from home.

NSFH.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:50 PM
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Man, you people have so many questions about fursuits. I think you should combine a fact-finding expedition on furry life with the proposed-earlier fact-finding expedition into the world of online speed-dating.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:50 PM
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115: I wanted everyone to think I was wise. You didn't like the graduation hat I had on top of my outfit?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:52 PM
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Aha! We should start an online speed-dating site for furries!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:52 PM
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Is the inside of the costume furry, too?

I think this is hilarious.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:53 PM
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Yuck. We have a student who is constantly in full-on goth costume (not just like black hair and lipstick and clothes, but like fetish clothes with ripped-out patches)

When I was in grad school there was a student in a nearby department who dressed this way. The general assessment was, "Grow up."


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:53 PM
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I think you should combine a fact-finding expedition on furry life with the proposed-earlier fact-finding expedition into the world of online speed-dating.

And watch the fur fly!


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:56 PM
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125: Better yet, just speed date in a fur costume. 'I just wanted to show you the real me...'


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:56 PM
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121: This is my night for advocating unpopular positions (at a political meeting earlier, I made myself unpopular over Palestine) but I'm going to say that people who really, actually wear clothes that make them look disturbing (and not just in an "oh, I'm homeless and hence can't bathe") way fascinate me. Like the very first punks, or like this young woman I see around town who always wears super-duper huge heavy glasses that obscure her face, a snarly witch-like bun all messy on top of her head and baggy black and brown clothes. There's very little one can do, sartorially and at our historical moment, to genuinely disturb, and there's such a pressure to "disturb" by being "ooh, I'm sexy and troubled, look at my gothy satin corset"...that, well, intentional ugliness really interests me.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:57 PM
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Catch a tiger by the tail. Rawr.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:57 PM
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I'm equally bothered by the girl who gives conference papers in ratty old clothes and cowboy boots with unbrushed hair and says "like" every other word. I recognize the desire to resist some of the gross overprofessionalism of conference environments, but sometimes it just representatively makes us look generally way too casual as a program.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:58 PM
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Well, to me the option seems to be that either the inside is furry, too, or the inside is like the back side of carpet. In which case: ow.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:58 PM
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gross overprofessionalism of conference environments

So (and this is serious) you're saying I ought not to wear my suit to conferences?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 9:59 PM
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134: Actually, I think it's classy. What bothers me is how stiff people act at conferences. I like making friends and contacts, and sometimes that involves a fun lunch across the street and laughing.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:00 PM
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Put a tiger in your tank! Meow!


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:00 PM
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I'm confused.

I know I was a Skye terrier in a previous life. My mistress called me Geddon.

So am I Otakukin or Otherkin?


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:00 PM
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Better yet, just speed date in a fur costume. '

"I'm really into heavy-petting."

[shocked look]

"No, like, actual petting that's kind of vigorous."


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:01 PM
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[even more shocked look]


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:03 PM
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132: I mean, I know there's immaturity involved, and a desire to piss off the squares and all that, but (snotty academicism ahead) I am reminded of Franco Moretti's observation about the period after the French Revolution, that bad faith was the only remaining gesture of faith in the ideals of the revolution and so IIRC in the self-dramatizing sordidness of events in The Red and the Black (Moretti's example) there is this ghostly longing for liberty and equality and all that stuff. (I'm paraphrasing) What I mean is that in this kind of stubborn, obnoxious refusal I see a sort of utopian longing, a regret, blah blah.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:03 PM
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129 somehow pwned by 123, even though 129 is in response to 125 which is in response to 123.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:04 PM
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So far I've lol'ed at 41, 65, 73, 80, 87, 115, and 125. Maybe I'm in a generous mood.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:04 PM
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If I hadn't blown all my troll cred like two years ago, I could say that furries don't seem so strange to me. You get to hide your faces, which is a pretty normal way for people to become disinhibited, and I'll bet that you actually become more acutely aware of your body in the suit. The fact that they have childlike happy faced costumes is a bit strange, however. Then again, no one wants to fuck Chewbacca all the time.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:05 PM
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139: Thanks for finishing that up for me, teo. Must've had a finger slip or something.

I keep trying to think of a name for the furry online dating site. The best I have so far are FurKeeps.com and FurTwoMinutes.com. Not so good. *Sigh*


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:05 PM
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Then again, no one wants to fuck Chewbacca all the time.

Oh, I wouldn't say no one.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:05 PM
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I keep trying to think of a name for the furry online dating site. The best I have so far are FurKeeps.com and FurTwoMinutes.com. Not so good. *Sigh*

SuitsMeFine.com


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:07 PM
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no one wants to fuck Chewbacca all the time.

Speak for yourself.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:07 PM
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Obviously a furry online dating site should be called BytheShortHairs.com.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:08 PM
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Furve.com

It's like Nerve but different.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:10 PM
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I like Bob Drake's furry art. (eg.)

And of course his music is awesome.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:14 PM
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I'd like to start a site devoted exclusively to photos of people's expressions at the moment they open that window expecting some online speed-dating and see a furry looking back at them. That would be hilarious.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:14 PM
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no one wants to fuck Chewbacca all the time.

Just now and again.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:15 PM
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All of the people want to fuck Chewbacca some of the time. And some of the people want to fuck Chewbacca all of the time. But not all of the people want to fuck Chewbacca all of the time.


Posted by: Abraham Lincoln | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:17 PM
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151 also made me laugh out loud.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:18 PM
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If the love glove does not fit, you must acquit. people want to fuck Chewbacca some of the time. And some of the people want to fuck Chewbacca all of the time. But not all of the people want to fuck Chewbacca all of the time.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:17 PM
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151 also made me laugh out loud.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:22 PM
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Wow. Um. Oops? My tail hit the keyboard.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:25 PM
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Frowner, you have successfully decieved me into thinking I should read Moretti. What do you recommend?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 10:39 PM
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Fervor.com sounds like it could be a spinoff of Nerve. But little do you know when you sign up that it will actually reroute you to FurVore.com.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:03 PM
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121 and 127 you guys suck. Do nothing to discourage the goth chicks.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:05 PM
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I went to the grocery store recently. Among other things, I bought some popsicles, because I'm twelve. I didn't want them to melt, so I picked them up last and then hurried to the checkout lines. Working the express lane was a Goth-y looking dude. Sighing his infinite melancholy and clicking his various face piercings together, and working as slowly as plate tectonics. I have to think that any firm nihilistic conviction that nothing matters and that we're all just decaying flesh, alone in a cold, empty, universe, isn't exactly conducive to customer service, or urgency. It isn't like he's defusing a bomb and time is about to run out, but, dammit, I hate it when my popsicles get all melty. Really, putting a goth in a customer service position makes as much sense as having a kleptomaniac bank teller, or hiring a cat to walk your dog.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:17 PM
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TJ, you're nuts.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:19 PM
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Yeah, he was probably just stoned.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:20 PM
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I was not.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:21 PM
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Ooohhh. The checker. Probably.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:22 PM
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Sighing his infinite melancholy and clicking his various face piercings together, and working as slowly as plate tectonics. I have to think that any firm nihilistic conviction that nothing matters and that we're all just decaying flesh, alone in a cold, empty, universe, isn't exactly conducive to customer service, or urgency.

Awesome.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10- 9-07 11:59 PM
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FurTwoMinutes.com

TwoFur.com

So am I Otakukin or Otherkin?

Otherkin, because the most important thing is that you were a dog! Um, er, canine.

The beginning of an Otakukin's self-discovery generally begins in early childhood. Typical young Otakukin my experience feelings of unexplainable loss, dissociation from the rest of the world, isolation from ones peers, feelings of entitlement, and a general sense that the world isn't quite how its supposed to be.

Gee, um, that's pretty damn close to the description for NPD.

max
['Cluster B fuck.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 5:41 AM
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158: Franco Moretti will solve all your problems! Signs Taken for Wonders is considered to be his classic work, and it does have an essay about Dracula that was for me an absolute revelation about literary criticism, but I recommend The Way of the World, from which my example above was taken.

Franco Moretti offers answers to almost all political and philosophical problems if read with sufficient care. I actually proposed a paper to this effect, but unfortunately I proposed it for the annual molecular virology symposium, so I didn't get very far. But you know how, in Cold Comfort Farm, the main character is always consulting the Pensees of some abbe or other (yes, I can't be asked to do accent marks)? Well, Moretti is not unlike that. There's a thought for every occasion in Moretti.

He is the very best, and when I inherit millions from a long lost relative I intend to give much of it to Stanford conditional on being admitted to their Comp Lit program to work with him.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 6:33 AM
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160- Hey, don't be hatin' the Goths. They're a constituency.....well, on second thought, they probably don't vote in big numbers.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 7:32 AM
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Wow! Frowner, I'm investing eight big ones on your unsupported word. Moretti better be good! I didn't like the Valve symposium on him much.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 7:45 AM
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Well, I'm investing in a brand-new copy of Atlas of the European Novel, so at least I believe in the product.

Graphs, Maps, Trees isn't his most characteristic work, I think. That is, I think it's neat but a bit one-note, although I admit that I read only some of it. It's a good approach and interesting information to have, but not maybe so sparkly-fun to read. I find both Signs Taken for Wonders and The Way of the World very sparkly-fun indeed, although I would say that my readings of both have not, you know, exhausted them--that is, I don't remember every teensy tinsy detail.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 7:53 AM
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I find these paintings offensive.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 7:59 AM
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Franco: the magician who can ungrump The Frowner.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:02 AM
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How so, Smasher?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:03 AM
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Don't doubt the hottest man in the power center of the universe, Apo.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:05 AM
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Not expressing doubt, Mr. E. I'm just curious about the axis of offense.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:07 AM
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You're still in big trouble, mofo. The Smasher is not pleased by questions.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:11 AM
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I'm sorry, Smasher!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:16 AM
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He tremendously enjoys it when people cringe, but it just makes him meaner.

Sarcasm, hyperbole, and litotes: he learned it all from the Piranha brothers. And palindromes.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:19 AM
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Does this count as furrydom? Or proto-furrydom, at least?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:44 AM
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More than just the tail and ears have to be furry, apoptoser. Otherwise we would be witnessing an outbreak of furrydom everytime Slut-O-Ween rolls around.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 8:51 AM
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Objects do not cast shadows like that.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 9:05 AM
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181: don't objectify furries.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 9:06 AM
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TJ, they're not all like that.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 9:20 AM
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I was deeply confused about Moretti between the Valve seminar and Frowner's comments. For a while I wondered if there was just two Franco Morettis who wrote about literary matters.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 9:29 AM
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The fact that they have childlike happy faced costumes is a bit strange, however.

This is the part that I find most disturbing about furries. Does the medium of polyesther fuzz not allow more verisimilitude?

when I inherit millions from a long lost relative I intend to give much of it to Stanford conditional on being admitted to their Comp Lit program to work with him.

Do not bank on it. The fucker moves around more than the Wandering Jew (or whatever other proverbially moving-around guy). He was listed on my old university's official faculty page a full two years after he'd decamped for Italy. One of the many nice surprises I encountered after arriving for my PhD.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 10:10 AM
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Also, I've been told that it can be quite nightmarish to be his grad student.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 10:14 AM
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Frowner, people don't inherit millions any more. They win the lottery.

Powerball! You can't win if you don't play!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 10:45 AM
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180: Frankly, I consider the willingness of so-called 'non-furries' to put on ears and tails so long as it's Halloween evidence that there's no real dividing line between 'furries' and 'everybody else'. Do you suddenly start wearing fursuits if you watch Disney's Robin Hood one too many times? And how many times is too many times, I want to make sure that I'm not in danger of converting.

The entire issue makes me surly. It's like furries are the last people on the earth that some people feel free to be cruel and mocking towards.

Not that that's usually a problem on Unfogged, mostly 'cause ya'll are cruel and mocking towards everybody.


Posted by: Nbarnes | Link to this comment | 10-10-07 6:04 PM
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is this thing on? I'm sure nobody is still reading this but i had to respond to some of these comments.


Posted by: Jay | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 8:37 PM
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Wow. Thanks for finding that, Jay! I forget that people other than us read this, sometimes.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 8:42 PM
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Finding s/b writing. Word.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 8:42 PM
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Cool.

But you should be thanking Frowner for 106, not me.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 8:44 PM
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Oh Cryptic Ned, i see-- sorry i was confused about what number/ name went with what post-- so thanks to Frowner! - and Lacan would indeed have a field day with the whole thing i think from the fandom itself to my interest in painting it.


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Oh, one other thing- anyone who lives in new york and wants to see these paintings in person - email me and schedule a studio visit, I do not bite (i swear). Or anyone near London- go to Patrick Heide Art Projects and ask to see them they've got some nice ones there too.


Posted by: Jay | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 9:26 PM
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