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And there used to be those days when I would wake up to discover I had drunkenly written really embarrassing blog posts in the middle of the night. Don't you hate that?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:40 AM
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I was going to write about being covered with my own vomit (decades ago), but I can't match you guys.

Yeah, DNA tested. All mine.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:49 AM
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We used to do this a lot on acid. Somewhere around here I have a mini-cassette tape that has me and a friend who comments here but who shall go unnamed discussing our brilliant conclusion that snack foods were a conspiracy between the paper and seasoning industries. It helps me not do drugs anymore.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:00 AM
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I like 'pudding is rounder than love'.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:13 AM
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Is this that different from Naked Twister?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:14 AM
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Or, for that matter, regular Twister?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:30 AM
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And with that, I'm off to my date.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:31 AM
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It goes without saying that we're all pulling for you rooting for you hoping it goes well, teo.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:34 AM
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Did someone say Naked Twister?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:43 AM
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Go Teo!

I have a lot of drunken evenings from which I wake up and can't remember what I actually did and what I spent the whole night wishing I had the stones to do. Like last night, for example!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:44 AM
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You know how when you're really drunk you'll have stupid thoughts that seem profound,

Stoned, yes. Drunk, never.


Posted by: McKingford | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:56 AM
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We used to do this a lot on acid.

The problem I had on acid was that I would forget the conclusions immediately after I had them. It took the amusement out of the morning-after humiliation.

I do remember making a playlist of music I wanted to listen to but then never putting it on, because all the important sounds were out there, man.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 12:02 PM
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Ogged, I'm having trouble understanding how Twister + ??? = famous sex scenes. Is the idea that you'd have some kind of spinner and end up calling out, "Both hands: pottery wheel!" or something?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 12:04 PM
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"pudding is rounder than love"

People laugh, but it totally is.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:08 PM
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Smartest thing Ogged has ever said.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:18 PM
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This item anticipates the dream, as an enabler for recreating the beach scene in From Here to Eternity.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:18 PM
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Some of us live our lives never having the 'waking up' moment.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:33 PM
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Don't pretend this hasn't happened to you.

It's true. I frequently play a Twister-like game that allows me to reenact famous movie sex scenes. For some reason the spinner always lands on Micky Rooney when it is my turn.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:41 PM
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Some of us get laid regularly enough that we don't wake up and daydream about ridiculous games to help us get laid. Actually.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:48 PM
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When I was 15, I woke up in the middle of the night with this phrase in my head:

"He wore the expression of consternation encountered only in a person found unconscious, pregnant, in a playground, with a helmet made of rice."

I still think it's great.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:56 PM
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19: Bite me.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 1:59 PM
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10: was there at least missing information that had you known it, you would have done things differently? i've recently found that this makes missed opportunities much more tolerable.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:01 PM
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My shift key isn't broken, I swear.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:03 PM
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According to her recent report, I don't think "some of us" includes B. She's just trolling. I just don't understand people who troll like that.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:07 PM
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21: Oh, come now. I bet you got laid more recently than I did, insatiable girl.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:16 PM
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19 probably calls for some sort of biting, yes.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:16 PM
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24: My recent what?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:17 PM
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Wait, when the hell did everyone feel the need to rush to Ogged's defense on the "getting laid" front all of a sudden?

Fucking turncoats.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:18 PM
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The RNC sent around a memo: no more ixnay-on-the-Ogged-bashing. We hear and obey.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:25 PM
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I hate you all.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:28 PM
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Your recent report, B.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:31 PM
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I haven't gotten laid since June, B. I am a pathetic excuse for an insatiable girl.

22: Nah, he's just shy. Or so he keeps saying over and over. Being shy is an excuse for everything these days, it seems.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:44 PM
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31: Yes, I heard him the first time, thank you, Mr. w-lfs-n.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:44 PM
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"My client is shy, Your Honor. The charge should be reduced to manslaughter."


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:46 PM
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Back from the date.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:47 PM
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See, we are the least sexy people in the world, but we think about it all the time. Only I have figured that out. Even McManus is too conventional to follow me.

When I subscribed to Mother Jones, I was amazed at the sex aids they sold.

See, sex isn't liberating. It's reactionary. All y'all are liberated without knowing it.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:48 PM
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How did you spend those three hours, Teo?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:50 PM
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Last I heard you had to travel to Minnesota to get laid. Sort of like Appolonia in Purple Rain trekking up from boring old New Orleans to get herself a little action.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:50 PM
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How did you spend those three hours, Teo?

It was basically a condensed version of Unfogged.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:53 PM
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No one was funny and everyone complained about not getting laid?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:56 PM
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Pretty much, yeah.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:57 PM
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It was fun, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:58 PM
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Did you bring up the coot migration, or the pagan Lithuanian empire?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:58 PM
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No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:58 PM
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I did keep running out of things to say, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:58 PM
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Being shy may not be an excuse for everything, but it certainly does make it harder to get laid. Of course, saying it over and over is usually just a sort of ineffectual way of saying "if you try a little harder to make out with me, you'd probably succeed." Of course, Mystery might describe this as LMR and thereby suggest the freeze-out, but I remain unconvinced.

It's too early in the day to drink to missed opportunities. But at least your crush is still in the country, no?


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 2:59 PM
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I think this gentleman is unaware of how lazy I've become in my pursuits. Seriously, if he's playing the shy card so I have to do all the work, I will gladly hit on other people.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:01 PM
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That was your mistake, teo. Nothing makes the panties drop like coot migrations and pagan Lithuanian empires.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:05 PM
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I'll keep that in mind for next time.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:06 PM
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1) You know, saying exactly that might not be such a bad idea.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:09 PM
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36 -- I can't be the only one who thought of Revenge of the Nerds reading your comment.

Later, nerds.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:09 PM
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The lazy bit, that is.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:11 PM
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I dunno. I think some guys play the shy card because they like to enjoy having the right of refusal.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:18 PM
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Also, AWB. If you were travelling somewhere and there was some guy that you probably shouldn't make out with but were inclined to do so anyway, and at the end of one drunken night quasi-deniably suggested that the two of you leave together but it didn't quite work out, and then you were going to be going home soon but coming back in a bit (month or two), when it would still be ill-advised to make out, would you want to get suggestive or even friendly emails from the guy in the interim, or no?


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:19 PM
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Friendly, yes. Maybe even warm! Why not? How ill-advised is this making out, exactly?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:21 PM
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53: Well, sure. But I think that the marriage problem shows that the right of refusal is less valuable than the power to initiate, so they come out behind by doing so. Besides, aren't you always telling us that being rejected isn't the worst thing in the world?


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:22 PM
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Well, it depends on how you feel about "if it's more than N miles from home, it doesn't count" kinds of theories. IYKWIM.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:25 PM
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57: Is it cheating, then, for either of you? I'd say ixnay on the emails, then, and just see what happens.

56: It's not the worst thing in the world. I just never know when I'm being expected to up the ante a tad and when I'm being strung along. After kinda-sorta rejecting my clumsy pass, he spent the whole night inches from me, then got all boring on the train home, and then when I gave him a hug at my stop, he gave a nice snuggly tug on my lower back. Is he attracted to me? I think so! Is he going to do anything about it other than use my attentions to feel good about himself? I don't think so!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:29 PM
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AWB- so are you saying that you've been seeing this guy during this time and you haven't had sex since June?


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:29 PM
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I figure if the guy's crush on you is blatant enough for you to make fun of him for it, there's no percentage in him playing hard to get, right?


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:30 PM
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We are not seeing each other. I just keep inviting him to parties.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:30 PM
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Did you kiss her, Teo?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:33 PM
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Is he attracted to me? I think so! Is he going to do anything about it other than use my attentions to feel good about himself? I don't think so!

Ugh. As someone who has been guilty of this is the past, you want nothing to do with it. Make a non-clumsy pass to see if that's what he's doing, then run away. That kind of shit doesn't need to be enabled.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:33 PM
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Did you kiss her, Teo?

No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:39 PM
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Did you *try* to kiss her?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:40 PM
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No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:41 PM
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Tell us more! Tell us more! Did she put up a fight?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:42 PM
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No.

Dummy.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:45 PM
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Next date, you need to invite her out for drinks. It's time. You've had your coffee and lunch times together; nighttime plus alcohol will offer new possibilities.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:47 PM
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There's always next time.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:47 PM
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Actually, there's not always next time.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:48 PM
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Did you *try* to kiss her?

B is Bea Arthur's character in History of the World


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:48 PM
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Actually, there's not always next time.

I think Teo is saying that he believes in reincarnation.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:50 PM
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Teo's going to be quite the lothario as a fruit-fly.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:51 PM
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Next date, you need to invite her out for drinks.

This is, um, problematic.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:52 PM
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She doesn't have a mouth, does she?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:53 PM
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She's a Mormon.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:53 PM
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I'm shy, but when someone signals clearly that they like me I know damn well to signal back.

My husband & I didn't kiss on our first date. He closed with "I'll see you around I guess" & I figured that was that until he talked to his roommate who talked to my roommate who talked to me. This is not an approach I'd recommend, though.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:54 PM
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76, 77: No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:55 PM
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This is, um, problematic.

She's 14?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:55 PM
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She's 14?

No, totally legal.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:56 PM
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Is there going to be a next date?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:56 PM
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Is there going to be a next date?

I think so, yes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:57 PM
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Not sure what happened in 81. The second part is me, obviously.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:57 PM
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She's 19, I bet -- the only place in which one needs the adverb "totally" to modify "legal."


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:57 PM
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you're 14?


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:58 PM
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I recommend writing to her father to ask permission to kiss her. If he replies, "You're going to do something to my little girl, but in time I will forgive and learn to love you," you're golden.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:58 PM
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She's 19, I bet -- the only place in which one needs the adverb "totally" to modify "legal."

Not the only place...


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:58 PM
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She's a Mormon.

I hate it when that happens.


Posted by: Trevor | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:59 PM
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A legal-aged, non-Mormon with a mouth who you're going to see again. If you don't kiss her, you're gay.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:59 PM
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87: I was thinking of just taking him out to Chili's.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:59 PM
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78: Yeah, see, arg. Hm. Well, I am a total fuck-up. I am going to give up on this one now before I really embarrass myself or become cross and frustrated.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 3:59 PM
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I'll kiss her at some point. I just haven't yet.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:00 PM
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You live in NYC. Lots of new people around, no matter how demanding you are.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:02 PM
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Not the only place...

Oh, she's a felon.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:02 PM
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In Utah, felon kiss you...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:03 PM
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Oh, she's a felon.

No, but she has to go in to work early tomorrow because her coworker who was supposed to open is on the lam.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:05 PM
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She's 19, I bet -- the only place in which one needs the adverb "totally" to modify "legal."
Not the only place...

Wait, she's your cousin?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:05 PM
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In Utah, felon kiss you...

If only.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:05 PM
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Wait, she's your cousin?

No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:06 PM
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I always think I'm having really profound thoughts when I'm drunk and walking home alone. Especially when it's cold outside. And I always think, it's so great that I'm alone right now! If I were with someone else right now, I totally wouldn't be having these totally really amazingly profound thoughts! I'm in this city and it's the middle of the night and here I am!

And then I wake up in the morning, and the profound thoughts are gone, and I'm by myself. Eh, tradeoffs.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:06 PM
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Why are you being so coy, Teo? Is your way with women spreading to your way with us?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:07 PM
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She's 20! Or 18.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:07 PM
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We just got back from Chili's. After shooting guns.

Ok, not Mormon, of age, has a mouth, but drinking is problematic. She's...imaginary?


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:08 PM
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And a HALF.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:08 PM
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in recovery? on antibiotics? Muslim?


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:08 PM
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Was wondering 102 also. You want to tell us, but only half?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:08 PM
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Recovering alcoholic?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:09 PM
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obviously she ate what she thought was abalone, and teo couldn't kiss her after that.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:09 PM
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The problem with Teo and The Girl going out for drinks might not lie with The Girl...


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:09 PM
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I just like making you guys guess. Shrub got it in 103b.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:09 PM
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The problem with teo and The Girl going out for drinks is that The Girl lives in Chicago.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:10 PM
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Scandalous! But you can appear all cool and worldly when you buy her beer now.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:11 PM
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I find that my drunken dreams tend to finish unfinished conversations for me, so that I feel inappropriately satisfied with whatever lame things I did during the evening. I wake up feeling good about life, and then remember that all the good things were stuff I dreamed.

Last night, I had an extremely believable and satisfying dream that the boy and I spent the weekend in bed together. Then I woke up, remembered that my love-life is shit, and am now just frustrated and annoyed.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:11 PM
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But you can appear all cool and worldly when you buy her beer now.

She doesn't drink. Apparently she overindulged when she was younger.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:13 PM
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And there's no way I could appear cool and worldly to her. She's been around.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:13 PM
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I feel bad for people who've already quit drinking when they're young. Make it last, people! Enjoy it!


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:16 PM
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She's also a hooker, then?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:16 PM
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117: I'm not sure if she's entirely quit drinking. But it seems like it.

118: No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:17 PM
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B is Bea Arthur's character in History of the World

I don't know the character, but anything Bea Arthur does is good by me. Therefore, thank you!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:19 PM
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go to a restaurant--order a drink. problem solved.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:20 PM
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Apparently she overindulged when she was younger. ... She's been around.

An ex-groupie from the 70s?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:21 PM
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121 has it right. Even if she's not partaking, it sounds like you're going to need a little sauce to get things moving.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:21 PM
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Now, now, everyone, don't rush the boy.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:22 PM
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An ex-groupie from the 70s?

Who was sent on a secret round trip mission to Alpha Centauri at a large fraction of the speed of light, and is thus still only 18! Hopefully Gonerill won't get disappeared for bringing this to light.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:23 PM
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go to a restaurant--order a drink. problem solved.

Yeah, this is a good solution.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:24 PM
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Some black Chevy Suburbans just pulled up outside the house. (Which, incidentally, I found a series of photographs of on Google Maps' "Street View" the other day: that feature is a little weird.)


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:24 PM
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Also, hip flasks are wonderful things.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:24 PM
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Even if she's not partaking, it sounds like you're going to need a little sauce to get things moving.

Definitely.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:24 PM
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I'm bip II and before I got on a treatment program, I would wake up in the middle of the night two or three times a week with manic Jerry Mcquire-style revelations. Nothing quite as good as movie sex-scene Twister, though.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:25 PM
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I'm not trying to rush anyone, B. I am just wary of any dating plan that includes the words "there's always next time."


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:26 PM
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Street View is a little creepy. Apparently the EU may require all faces in the images to be blurred out due to some "privacy" bullshit.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:26 PM
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The google cameradriods are pretty systematic: I live downtown but on a small, quiet street that's relatively out of the way, but it's there in all its glory. From the look of the pictures they were taken fairly early in the morning in the middle of summer.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:29 PM
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Then I woke up, remembered that my love-life is shit, and am now just frustrated and annoyed.

I have happy, no reflective-of-my-life dreams and wake up and I'm bummed. But I also have dreams where completely screwed up things. When I wake up from those, I'm pretty happy. Like 50/50, I think.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:30 PM
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Lake Wobegon is relatively safe from The Man. The camera doesn't come closer than ~200 feet in the air.


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s/b ...not reflective of my life, then...

s/b ...where completely screwed up things happen.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:32 PM
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Oh shit -- Mineshaft? I sent that boy directions to a party tonight, where I'd probably be the only person he is more than a passing acquaintance of. But I'm also pretty sure I'm going to punk out and not go. Should I specify that I am not going to him? He didn't respond to my text, so he may not be planning to go either.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:33 PM
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109: It was actually a baloney sandwich.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:34 PM
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Should I specify that I am not going to him?

Yes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:34 PM
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yeah, no real reason not to.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:35 PM
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I can't believe I bought this goddamn Ruinzhatova CD and I can't rip the last track.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:36 PM
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Maybe I should just man up and go. That guy who was stalking me last year is on the evite as definitely coming. I saw him a few times this summer and have reason to believe he's on meds now (he's gained a lot of weight, is a lot calmer, etc.), but I'm still a little nervous.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:36 PM
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I once woke up from a dream repeating : "there is more calcium in a kiwi than in a glass of milk." The phrase would not leave my head, it just kept repeating itself. I realized that a figure in my dream had whispered it to me and that it must have some significance, or prophetic quality. I'm still waiting for it to become relevant.

Although I have taken to eating more kiwis, and drinking less milk.


Posted by: Lucy | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:36 PM
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Shit, this is pretty scratched up for a new cd.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:37 PM
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Sure, sounds easy enough. But if you forget, people should be able to handle situations like that.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:39 PM
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One vote for man up and go. If nothing else you can use your stalker as a conversation starter with someone interesting.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:39 PM
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Is that true, Lucy?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:40 PM
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142

If you don't want to go, don't go.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:41 PM
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I am in love with a thing called the golden kiwi at present. Less tart, and has bright yellow flesh. Dee-lish.

Yeah, I think I'm going to make myself go. I don't think anyone I'm close to is going to be there, which makes me a bit paranoid. I will just tell myself that if I start having a bad time, I can always just come home.


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Good. I was just using reverse psychology. Have fun.


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:45 PM
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Just say that you don't feel like putting your clothes on and invite him over.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:47 PM
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Call him "dahling" too.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:47 PM
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Actually, I'm hoping he doesn't come. I can only handle one awkward evening like that per fortnight. Fucking green eyes, man.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 4:49 PM
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I killed the blog again. Sorry, dudes.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 5:00 PM
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It's pining for the fjords. I, on the other hand, am considering leaving the house so that I can maybe lay eyes on another human. But that seems so terribly ambitious.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 5:03 PM
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Go swim, Jake. Beautiful day.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 5:06 PM
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I watched Inland Empire today. Getting out of the house would be good for my soul.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 5:07 PM
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Haven't swam in a long time. Sounds like a good idea. Food first.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 5:09 PM
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So, how do you explain Poland? I think I want to write something about this. (In I N L A N D E M P I R E.)


Posted by: Jonathan | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:06 PM
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OT: I'm cutting off all my hair tonight. It's down to the middle of my back. It's time for it to go.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:10 PM
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OK Britney. We'll be taking your kids away, though.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:11 PM
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Britney's goings on have postponed this haircut past its rightful date by two months now. I need to forget about Britney and get on with it.

I've got the front in little ponytails ready to go. Before I do this thing, I'm going to give myself the mother of all mullets.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:40 PM
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But first, a beer.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:41 PM
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I've got the front in little ponytails ready to go. Before I do this thing, I'm going to give myself the mother of all mullets.

Pictures?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:48 PM
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Dude, flickr. Photodocumentary!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:48 PM
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I'm not trying to rush anyone, B. I am just wary of any dating plan that includes the words "there's always next time."

Teo needs peer pressure!


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:48 PM
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I apparently woke up in a panic the other night insisting I had lost my hands, and would not believe shivbunny's reassurances until he told me to grab his hand, and then I found my hands again.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:50 PM
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167 is so cute that it makes me want to go sit in a corner and sulk.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:53 PM
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That's pretty scary, Cala. I was having all sorts of bizarre nightmares last year in the hospital. Most of them having to do with...surprise! people trying to steal my organs. Unpleasant.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:54 PM
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Now Cala's just mocking you lonely single people.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:55 PM
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Funny, I didn't even register the cute coupleyness of the story.


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It does get better. After he let go, I drifted back to sleep and then I lost my hands again. Panic ensues, he calms me down again, then goes to get a glass of water "I'll be right back, don't lose your hands." Next day: "still have your hands?"


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 6:58 PM
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Ok, that's enough, Cala. Now back to pictures of Penny's mullet.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:01 PM
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Indeed. Shaving heads = fun.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:02 PM
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167 That is frightenening. Like those tooth dreams, what is that about?

How do I post to flikr for unfogged? I have an account, but not under a pseud.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:03 PM
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You could just make a new flickr account under your pseud.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:09 PM
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I have crunched-up tooth dreams whenever I'm really poor. And crowding rodent dreams when I'm anxious about family.

159: No fucking idea. He thinks Polish sounds creepy? I'm not sure Lynch is terribly deep.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:11 PM
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How do I post to flikr for unfogged?

Right, you could either set up a pseudonymous account, or, I suppose, mail them to one of us to post for you if you don't want the hassle.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:16 PM
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Ok Ogged, I'm mailing them to you. Here come the befores.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:20 PM
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This should be fun.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:23 PM
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Ok, I have to step away for bit, looking forward to those pictures in my inbox...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:33 PM
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They're from a different email address, but should show up under my name.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:42 PM
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Ok, here goes, before the baby wakes up.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:42 PM
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Ok, 1/2 the ponytails are gone. Emerson was right, all Canucks do look just like Geddy Lee. The extra hair just disguised it.

I'll try to get some good mullet shots without taking out all the back ponytails.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:49 PM
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Damn! I didn't leave enough at the top to get really good mullet action. And without taking out the ponytails I just look - dorky, but not mullet-y, kind of mennonite-y gave herself a bad hair cut like. Apologies to mennonites.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 7:57 PM
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Ok, it seems I don't actually have enough hair to do this mullet thing, and I'm not going to take the back tails out, because I won't be able to put them back in again properly, because I'm drunk.
Dammit, previewing the photos I have that crazed Britney look coming on already. Oh, ha ha ha, Emerson.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:10 PM
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Let us know if the baby recognizes you.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:20 PM
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Let us know if the baby recognizes you.

My dad (ichthyologist) was doing a lot of field work when I was a kid, and several times disappeared off to Peru, Pakistan, etc. for a bit. My parents say that he came back from one of those trips when I was two or so with a big scraggly beard, and when he came in the door I ran and hid.


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168 is right.


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167: Cue epistemology jokes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:31 PM
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If a tree loses its hands in the forest, does it make a sound?


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:40 PM
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I think if I ever start cutting my own hair I will have to do it when drunk, so I can have an excuse for the result.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:49 PM
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Ok Penny, I got them and emailed you back with a question.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:54 PM
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Who wants Penny's kids?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 8:59 PM
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Just have the one, Emerson, but I'm sure the state will have him up for auction soon enough.

Drag me through the streets on a cart, but this is a bad haircut. I'm going to call it the "Unfit Mother". It sort of screams that. And "wearing a toque all winter", it screams that too.

My scalp feels great though.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:19 PM
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Okay, so I went to the damn party. Left after half an hour out of claustrophobia, but I went!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:20 PM
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The pics are now in the Unfogged Flickr pool.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:23 PM
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who do i email to get entry? i emailed someone and nothing happend


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:31 PM
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Oh, wait, there are more! Stuck behind my spam filter...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:32 PM
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Holy crap, Penny, you crazy woman, you cut off all that beautiful hair!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:33 PM
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What ogged said.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:34 PM
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And the full set is now in the pool.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:35 PM
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Wow. No halfway measures for Penny.


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196: Feh! Also, while I appreciate 58.1, I decided that warm and friendly emails are their own reward, and anything else is a matter for another day.

And wow... that's quite the dramatic haircut. Not bad, though. A damn sight better than any I could give myself.


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The one where she's holding up the snipped locks looks like it's from a horror movie; particularly with the bezel on the mirror making it look like her arm is double.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:45 PM
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I love it, Penny.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:47 PM
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200, 201 Aak! Thanks, I was just getting over it!

It was heavy. And it's getting cold here, my baby hates the hair dryer, and the thought of wet hair in the morning all winter...or sleeping on wet hair.

I had planned to grow it long enough to make a wig out of it, and it was long enough. The pregnancy hormones helped it, I haven't gone grey yet, and today we frollicked in an actual freaking meadow. I thought, hair, you're not going to have a nicer day or be healther than this, time to go.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:47 PM
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Uh, "we" meaning me and the kid, not me and the hair.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:49 PM
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I'm just being sappy, and giving you a hard time. The new look is dramatic and actually pretty hot.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:49 PM
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I have a friend who cut off a foot and a half of his hair not long ago in a similar way: suddenly but after he'd been stewing over it for a while.

He buried it out in the yard and felt great afterwards.

Congratulations, Penny. I wish I had the guts to cut mine (off), but I do not.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:52 PM
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Ta, Ogged. Hope my partner's ok with it.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:53 PM
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Yeah, you look good in the after pictures.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:54 PM
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Tell him/her that you did it for some imaginary friends; that should smooth things over.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:54 PM
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I have three pony tails in a jar somewhere.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:55 PM
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Buried it in the yard? What was that about?

Better to wait 'til you have no qualms, Parsimon. Not like you can nail it back on.

Thanks for the support, people of Unfogged.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 9:57 PM
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Sigh. I had hair that long in college (although not that nice.) I've never grown it back. Maybe it is easier for women to grow their hair out that long. I always run into job interviews or I just don't like having my hair at an awkward middle length.


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Tell him/her that you did it for some imaginary friends; that should smooth things over.

That was the worst part! Half way through, I thought, he's going to walk in the door and I'll be drunk with a mullet and a fistful of hair posting pictures of it all on the internet - cue baby crying- I'm in such trouble.

Luck held though.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:01 PM
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Buried it in the yard? What was that about?

Yeah, well. Partly relegating the past (literally -- that hair that's two feet down there is years old) to the ashes, or whatever. And partially just that where he lives, you have to mostly take care of your own garbage.


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Maybe it is easier for women to grow their hair out that long.

Being pregnant sure seemed to kick it into high gear.

I always run into job interviews or I just don't like having my hair at an awkward middle length.

Guys seem to have far fewer options. Just when my partner's hair starts loooking great to me, he starts getting pulled over by the police all the time. He gets fed up and cuts it.

If anybody wants extra incentive to cut his/her hair, I recommend saying you'll do it in the comments and hitting "post".


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:07 PM
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I have three pony tails in a jar somewhere.

Every word of this sentence is hilarious.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:11 PM
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i have 3 whiskeys in a jar somewhere


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:21 PM
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Maybe it is easier for women to grow their hair out that long.

Besides the receding hairlines, men have the disadvantage of having coarser, thinner hair. I've rarely encountered a man past the age of 25 who doesn't look like a slob with long hair, myself included.

I think short hair on women is cute, though. Penny's pictures look great.

You know how when you're really drunk you'll have stupid thoughts that seem profound

Dude, I've written comments on this blog that I don't even remember having written the next morning.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:35 PM
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Drunk commenting keeps me from doing far worse things involving my cell phone.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:37 PM
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Drunk IMing is the worst.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 10:42 PM
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T9 predictive text entry is infinitely more painful with the impaired fine motor skills that come with excessive whiskey consumption. On the other hand, the slower speed of communications makes it more likely you'll pass out before getting in real trouble.


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I am drunk-changing-all-my-profile-pictures. Do I go with incredibly creepy dark bluish, or me chowing the hell out of a pluot?


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Pluot.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:04 PM
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well most dudes who grow out their hair are dirty fucking hippies, and not well healed yuppies who will buy allo/green tea hair conditioner.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 10-13-07 11:13 PM
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Drunk IMing is the worst best.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 7:05 AM
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How many backwards apple cores does it take to make a wheelchair?


Posted by: actual quote | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 9:50 AM
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Spouse's reaction - he likes it. But it took him an hour to notice though! Dude is a painter! Visual artist!

To be fair, light was dim, early morning, no glasses on, him still pissed off about some bad piece of theatre from last night, and we have been together a Long Time.

But I'm going to tease him mercilessly.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 10:56 AM
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Dear god.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 10:58 AM
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I once had my eyebrows tweezed slightly and he spotted it from 500 feet away, so I have to give him a break.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:03 AM
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that's so oblivious that I think it's actually endearing.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:04 AM
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He probably just thought he had come home to the wrong house.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:06 AM
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Heh. You know, it's such a big change I can see it not registering -- it's not like an incrementally different haircut. I can see the reaction being more 'does not compute' than 'huh, you changed your hair'. And it does look nice, although the long hair did also.


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Thanks LB! I think that's exactly what it is. And he called home at lunch to repeat that he likes it, so viva romance.

I once heard a director tell an older couple of actors to play a domestic scene without ever looking at each other. "You've been together 30 years, you wouldn't be looking at each other like that." I have to admit, it worked much better that way.


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play a domestic scene without ever looking at each other

So true, so accurate. But also not a great practice for long-term relationship health, I think. At least if it goes hand in hand with things like barely saying hello and so on.

That said, yeah, one of my exes was constantly on-again, off-again with the beard and mustache, such that I barely noticed.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:24 AM
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Does this mean you're actually getting a day off LB?


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:26 AM
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Touchdown!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:29 AM
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239 to ?!?!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:29 AM
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Dude, if I'm commenting on a Sunday, it's because I'm in the office. The day has already gone horrifically -- there's some godawful bike race that had every street in my neighborhood closed, allowing me to eventually get my kids to their swimming lessons with ten minutes left in the lesson and a severe tic in my facial muscles resulting from an hour and half spent meandering on side streets through Upper Manhattan with several thousand other pissed-off motorists who couldn't get downtown either.

But I handed the kids off to my mother, uninstructed in swimming, and she's amusing them for the afternoon while I finish this brief up.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:34 AM
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And if 240 means anything not literally related to football, I've lost a certain amount of respect for teo. Sports metaphors are deprecated.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:36 AM
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240 was entirely literal.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:36 AM
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I hate those stupid street races. Send them off to North Dakota where there's lots of room, and leave them there.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:37 AM
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244: I was figuring it was -- just giving you shit.


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243: I never would have thought of you as anti-sports, LB. From what fields are euphemisms are preferred?


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247: philately.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:47 AM
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Union organizing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:49 AM
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Astrology also works nicely. "Aquarius was in the seventh house last night, IYKWIMATYD."


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249: boy did I chuck the alarm clock in the dumpster last night!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:50 AM
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251: Yeah, that's the sort of thing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:52 AM
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Has anyone here ever liveblogged a sexual encounter yet? That would be hard to do secretly, but if it was done openly and both members of the couple were into it, it could blaze new trails in e-space, especially if they were reading one another's comments as they went along.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:52 AM
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Emerson you really are a dirty old man, aren't you?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:55 AM
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I think I'm comfortable in saying that any sexual encounter in which the participants are in the same room but nonetheless capable of continuing to type throughout probably wouldn't be worth recording for posterity.


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255: and yet there are vast swaths of the internet devoted to that very proposition.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 11:58 AM
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in which the participants are in the same room

Really? The bits devoted to virtual sex with people in remote locations I was familiar with, but not the other.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:01 PM
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Besides, I think LiveJournal has a feature where you can call their phone number and leave a voicemail and any one of your friends can transcribe it to a posting. You might also be able to outsource it to India.


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Well, all the participants actually in the room are (a) being paid (b) probably not specifically enjoying themselves the way you'd hope and (c) pretty much performing for the benefit of the paying customers they're chatting with, but yeah.


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253 is the dark place you reach when the no-relationship policy is combined with lots of blog commenting. Even one's fantasy life is corrupted...that's a recipe for possibly the least sexy sexual encounter ever.


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259: Huh. And a remaining fragment of naivete is chipped away.


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I think I'm comfortable in saying that any sexual encounter in which the participants are in the same room but nonetheless capable of continuing to type throughout probably wouldn't be worth recording for posterity.

Try voice recognition software, ma'am.


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all the participants actually in the room

Acquaintance of mine who was a phone sex worker told stories of how annoying the 'threesome' calls were, because of the preparation needed to get their stories straight ahead of time (i.e., what each was 'wearing', which one was going to be the readhead, etc).


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Voice recognition software kind of sucks.


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Boys wreck ignition so wear kinder socks?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:12 PM
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You people are just Luddites mired in the twentieth century paradigm. Except for Jake and Ned. There are bugs just to work out, sure, but where's your spirit of enterprise?

No wonder the Republicans always win. I bet that they're working on this as we speak.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:14 PM
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Congressman Foley was ahead of his time.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:15 PM
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Puck lee's harbor, jig goy. Puck my axle.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:15 PM
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BREAKING:
Danny Deutsch in short is an angry anti-Christian bigot, looking to make a name for himself by biting into Christian icons. Pretty sad way to attempt to "scratch your way" into the "big time."


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:20 PM
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I see townhall has the Big Book of Clumsy Anti-Semitic Metaphors out again.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:23 PM
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Some Christians' ability to interpret the world in such a way that they are a persecuted minority never ceases to amaze me.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:44 PM
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You probably wouldn't have cared about the German victims of the Poles between 1930 and 1938 either. If the Poles had just managed to behave decently, the world could have been spared a lot of bother.

La Fontaine: "The Lamb and the Fox" is relevant. Not sure about the exact title.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:50 PM
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People should lighten up on Coulter: she's right, but just too general, and simultaneously too narrow.

Perfected Jews are Chaldeans.
Perfected Chaldeans are Orthodox Christians.
Perfected Orthodox Christians are Catholics.
Perfected Catholics are Protestants.
Perfected Protestants are Unitarians.
Perfected Unitarians are Buddhists.
Perfected Buddhists are Atheists.
Perfected Atheists are Polytheists.
Perfected Polytheists are Jews.

It's all about the wheel. Which is turning, and you can't slow it down.


Posted by: Napi | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 12:55 PM
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Heavy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:02 PM
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Somehow I find it remarkable that there have been two people named Erasmus James in the past 400 years.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:08 PM
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271: I think people should cut Christians a little slack on the persucution thing. Jesus said: "and you will be hated by all for my name's sake." Paul puts it a little stronger: "And indeed, all who desire to live in Christ Jesus will be persecuted." Peter says, "If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you." And there are dozens more verses to these ends.

If Christians admitted to not being persucated, then they would also be admitting to not really being good Christians since if they were good Christians they would be persecuted!

Which is not to say that Christians are persecuted, but only that its understandable that they're so emotionally invested in their supposed persecution.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:29 PM
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Yeah, given the origins of the religion the persecution complex is totally understandable, but it's still sort of absurd in this day and age.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:33 PM
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Nah, it's just that they're whiners like Hitler.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:33 PM
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Penny, the cut is awesome and yay! I tend to whack mine off every time it gets long too.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:40 PM
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277: given foundational stories of the religion, yes, but the idea that christians are a persecuted minority has been absurd for, what, 1700 years now?


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279: you're such a guy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:41 PM
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280: Of course. I'm not saying it's justified.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:42 PM
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I think that it's actual a meathead, whiner spinoff of identity victimization politics. "The only people it's safe to insult any more are white heterosexual males".

A lot of pop psych BS has crept into the new churches and the Religious Right.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:42 PM
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... or has been for a long time now.


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281: Come over here and say that.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:58 PM
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I am amused by the equation of "wank wank I can't make blackface jokes" with "practicing our religion meant we got fed to lions."


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 1:58 PM
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People who are accustomed to having power often equate losing that power with persecution.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:00 PM
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I understand it, mind you. I just think they're transparently full of shit. Fed to lions? Persecution. Being the core of the ruling party of the dominant military and economic power on the planet? NOT PERSECUTED.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:02 PM
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Exactly.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:03 PM
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Thanks B! Feels very theraputic. Just discovered an unintentional rattail, though.

Sorry about your day, LB. Hope you get home soon. I don't know why I assume commenting =not at work when clearly it's the opposite for most people here.

238: We're very compatible, but this year both so worried and exhausted that our not murdering each other deserves a celebration, with maybe a big cake.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:04 PM
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MURDER CAKE


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:06 PM
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Has anyone here ever liveblogged a sexual encounter yet? That would be hard to do secretly, but if it was done openly and both members of the couple were into it, it could blaze new trails in e-space, especially if they were reading one another's comments as they went along.

I can only imagine the helpful advice that would be disseminated in the comments.


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As well as the tragic ego damage done when a lively conversation about something else entirely sprang up.


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TOUCHDOWN!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:10 PM
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The problem with the persecution thing is that Christians are always changing the context. They don't see themselves as "in power" because, whine! Hollywood isn't Christian! And there's a huge world full of powerful non-Christians! They can always change the context.

If I were still a Christian, I'd be thinking that the fact that the ruling classes claim to be Christians is proof that they're not. Real Christians are powerless and poor and persecuted. If you're claiming to be a Christian, and you're not the shit of the earth, you're doing something wrong.


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293: Wow, yeah. I am now picturing getting pre-empted by discussions of dangling participles...


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290.3:

We're very compatible

Of course, I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. Just indulging in a reverie or reminiscence of my own about long-term comfortable relationships. I miss it.


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Fucking Vikings. Great game though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:19 PM
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"Anyone remember where the g-spot is?"


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:21 PM
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295:

They don't see themselves as "in power" because, whine! Hollywood isn't Christian! And there's a huge world full of powerful non-Christians!

This is getting a little glib now, though. Which, fine, it's not like we're being serious here.

But the 'Hollywood is sin city' and similar such things are narratives that serve larger aims on the part of the politically active branch of the canny fundamentalist camp(s).

It doesn't do to gloss over the variety of Christians out there, and certainly is wrong to conflate, say, the black ladies of South Carolina in the article linked earlier with the "Christians are persecuted, Hollywood is evil" crowd. Hell, the ladies in SC like Bill Clinton despite his blow job.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:24 PM
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Isn't that covered by the second paragraph of 295?


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I was being serious, Parsimon. Persecution is contextual. How is that not serious? Each Christian group finds a way to recontextualize themselves as persecuted, and Hollywood is an example. I am not being glib.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:27 PM
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Throw the motherfuckers to the lions and let them whine.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-14-07 2:32 PM
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301, 302:

Each Christian group finds a way to recontextualize themselves as persecuted

Every group in power finds a way to recontextualize itself as persecuted. When it fears it's in danger of losing power.


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The Christians don't actually have a lot of power qua Christians. Jesus told them this would always be the case, but they didn't listen.


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