Re: America's Pasttime

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This is pretty old. I want fresh timewasting material.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:42 AM
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We've even discussed this before on this very site, in fact.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:45 AM
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Worst comments ever.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:47 AM
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But for the Kennel Club confirmation, I would be fairly suspicious. I didn't grow up playing baseball--mine was a decent family--but in many sports (it seems to me) you check the guy's waist area for information. Perhaps that isn't accurate.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:47 AM
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1: How about this: black people don't get old.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:48 AM
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4: What sort of information?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:49 AM
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I remember seeing this a while ago. Frankly, I don't think this would have happened if I was looking at the picture.

I notice myself looking at breasts under clothing all the time, but not genitalia.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:50 AM
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What sort of information?

The direction they're going to be moving. Useful in football, basketball, soccer, and other such sports, but not so much in baseball.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:51 AM
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I'd want to know how accurate the eye-tracking is. Because when I look at the image I look at it, then I look at the top half and then I look at the bottom half. Now I'm sure part of that is because there are whacking great red/yellow dots on it, but I'd want to know if the tracking merely tracks centres of interest or if it's more specific than that.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:52 AM
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8: That's what I was thinking. Really not an issue in baseball. Also, this was a still picture.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:52 AM
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7: If you're hunting camel toads, don't take Ned with you.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:53 AM
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6 - I don't know if this is what SCMT meant in 4, but we had a basketball player come play Ultimate with us one time. I covered her, and as we ran, she kept putting a hand on my hips (every couple seconds or so). (Not allowed, btw. Ultimate is strictly non-contact.) I asked her what she was doing and she said she could which way I was going to turn from that! So neat! It was a source of information that had never occurred to me.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:54 AM
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which way I was going to turn from that

I don't think she was talking about the game, Megan.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:55 AM
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Why do I always take these things at face value? So many missed opportunities.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:57 AM
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Great, my thoughtful post about academic practices gets trumped by a bunch of dudes staring at cocks. So typical.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:58 AM
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you check the guy's waist area for information. Perhaps that isn't accurate.

It's pretty hard to tell how big it is under the fabric, and you never know who's stuffing.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:59 AM
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you never know who's stuffing

"Corking their bat," my people call it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:01 AM
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I asked her what she was doing and she said she could which way I was going to turn from that!

Please tell me you juked with the waist instead of the shoulders after that. If she really wanted to beat you in a game, she should've just told you she was coming on to you, then broken long in the ensuing confusion.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:01 AM
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Well, this is certainly distressing to those of us with enormous cocks. You mean no woman has ever noticed it except those who have seen it in the flesh? What a waste!


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:01 AM
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Apo's 13 is just reinforced by the fact that she wanted to know which way you were going to turn while you were covering her.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:01 AM
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Pasttime


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:02 AM
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, but not so much in baseball.

Isn't the strike zone traditionally defined as "parallel to the penis"?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:05 AM
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6: That's where the ball will be.

Which, yeah, would have a lot more explanatory value if this wasn't a still picture.


Posted by: Rousseau | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:06 AM
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I regularly murmur erotic come-ons to the thrower between counts. I figure it slows their stall count, so it all evens out.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:06 AM
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22: That's why strikebreakers are called scabs.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:06 AM
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Is this what is implied by 'just think about baseball'?


Posted by: Cangrejero | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:07 AM
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Pasttime

I thought you were the descriptivist.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:08 AM
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The strike zone, but the way, is between the knees and shoulders, not the crotch and shoulders.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:08 AM
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so wait--what was the akc photo that produced the same results?

a chihuahua at bat?


("it is not that it is done well, sir, but that it is done at all.")


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:11 AM
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I thought you were the descriptivist.

Spelling ≠ grammar. But I'm not really complaining, just pointing it out because I find it an interesting (and common) eggcorn.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:11 AM
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Knees to the letters (on his uniform), ogged.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:12 AM
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28: By the rules, sure. As called, no way. The top of the de facto strike zone is around the waist, maybe a bit below.


Posted by: ptm | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:12 AM
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between the knees and shoulders

Not that I've watched enough baseball in the past 25 years to know, but is a pitch at the shoulders ever called a strike?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:13 AM
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The strike zone, but the way, is between the knees and shoulders, not the crotch and shoulders.

For a normal stance, the midpoint between the knee and (is it really?--I thought it was high torso) the shoulders is going to be the crotch. I assume people start looking for the ball at the midpoint. (I also assume people might just learn to check the waist for information.)


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:15 AM
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Wikipedia on the strike zone:

The top of the strike zone is the mid-level between the top of the batter's shoulders and his belt, and the bottom is at the level just beneath the knee cap. The right and left boundaries of the strike zone correspond to the edges of home plate. A pitch at which the batter does not swing and which does not pass through the strike zone is called a ball. Unofficially, the de facto enforced strike zone may be different at any different level

So I was wrong about the shoulders.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:16 AM
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But there's still no baseball reason to be staring at his crotch.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:17 AM
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34: Perhaps, but again, in this specific case, still picture.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:17 AM
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those men were not looking at the waist. The `fixation' density is at crotch and down the inside of following leg.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:17 AM
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The zone goes from the bottom of the batter's kneecaps to the midpoint between the top of the batter's shoulders and the top of the batter's uniform pants.

The top of the strike zone works out to be the letters on the front of the uniform for most uniforms.


Posted by: Cangrejero | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:18 AM
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36, 37: I don't understand the "still picture" point. I assume people look for the strike and orient themselves by the waist/crotch area.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:19 AM
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The "still picture" point is that there is no ball crossing the plate, so it's unlikely that the men are just trying to figure out if it's a strike.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:20 AM
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look, if the proffered explanation is that guys stared at his crotch because that's just what any person would do who his clued into baseball, then this is very testable.

e.g.--run it on stills of soccer players. football players. golfers, etc. etc.

also--dobermans, pekinese, and st. bernards.

what the hell was that akc line about?


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:21 AM
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36: Yes there is: if you've played, you know that the rotation of the hips is the start of the swing. So if you're standing at third base, you watch for the hips to rotate 1) because you can anticipate where the ball's going to go (will his hips force his shoulder to fly open?) which 2) saves your life when his shoulder doesn't fly open and the ball's smoked at you.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:22 AM
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41: Right, but (1) to know that, don't you have to check to see that the pitch isn't blowing by him in the picture, and (2) don't people learn to instinctively react to an image, moving or not, in the same way initially?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:23 AM
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43--
yeah, ogged, so you haven't played.
nyah, nyah!


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:23 AM
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if you've played, you know that the rotation of the hips is the start of the swing

You can know that even if you haven't played, and you'd watch the front hip, not his penis.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:25 AM
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Forget the schlong - why do the men look to the sides of his head, and the women above his head?


Posted by: J-Dub | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:25 AM
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to know that, don't you have to check to see that the pitch isn't blowing by him in the picture

Wouldn't this result in a wider spread of views throughout the area where the ball is likely to be?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:25 AM
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You're looking at his center of gravity. Think belly-button, not penis: the belt-buckle seems to be where the eyes are gravitating.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:27 AM
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Basically, the men's views are remarkably tightly focused on the penis, and there's no plausible baseball-related explanation for that.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:27 AM
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Ultimate is strictly non-contact

Which is unfortunate, and earns the sport an ounce of my contempt. But I guess it means you can have coed games, and women who play ultimate = hott, not to swell Megan's head or anything.



Posted by: Counterfly | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:27 AM
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Assuming the eye-tracking is sensitive enough to pick it up, the cock-centred explanation seems the most logical one.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:28 AM
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52: There are extremely accurate eye tracking methods available.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:31 AM
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51: It can work remarkably well coed. It's a big field, and it's mostly one-on-one matchups that don't change that much. Playing coed does make zone defense and switching on man defense hard.

Plus, hott.


Posted by: ptm | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:36 AM
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I notice myself looking at breasts under clothing all the time

Do you lift up the hem, or peek down the neck?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:37 AM
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Forget the schlong - why do the men look to the sides of his head, and the women above his head?

The women seem to be scanning up and down. I presume that just by looking at the waist they can figure out which way the schlong is turning, so they don't have to look down any further to get information.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:44 AM
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Really, zone is different between men's and mixed games? Big difference or little difference? Like, what part? Don't you just put your tireless women in the cup and have some tall guy as the deep deep?

Also, hott ultimate guys.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:44 AM
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Say, is that penis bifurcated?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:50 AM
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No, I'm just happy to see you.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:54 AM
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Did you hear the one about the man with the trifurcated dick? His pants fit him like a glove.

Drive safely and don't forget to tip your waitress.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 12:00 PM
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Meanwhile, I recommend last week's and this week's A Softer World.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 12:00 PM
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54: Disambiguation: Do you mean that playing zone and then swithcing to man D is hard? e.g., zone for 5. Or that both playing zone, and playing Ds where you switch, e.g., Clam, are? Not sure why zone would be hard, but I could see zone for X being problematic.

And back on topic, don't you look at the hips in practically all sports?


Posted by: halax | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 12:22 PM
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Really, zone is different between men's and mixed games?

Not strategically, but if you put the women in the cup (apart from the top/middle-middle position) and throw guys in for the deep-deep and the wings, it keeps the cup fairly effective while producing a lot of guy-on-girl matchups upfield (unless you have all-women handlers, which no mixed team ever does). This gets kinda annoying after guys get their third or fourth layout D on a seemingly wide-open girl on windy days. You need really good women to make mixed work smoothly.


Ultimate is strictly non-contact

Which is unfortunate, and earns the sport an ounce of my contempt.

Eh, in open play at the competitive level, it's pretty much non-contact in the same way that soccer is a non-contact sport. There's lots of bumping into people, boxing others out, subtle pushing to get clear (so long as it's not done with the hands), and general collisions in the air. There's a reason the high lofty throws put where a lot of people can get to them are called "hospital discs".


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 12:24 PM
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Do you mean that playing zone and then swithcing to man D is hard?

I bet s/he means that playing a man D where people switch (say, last back with everyone else covering under) can be difficult, because it's also liable to cause a lot of woman-on-man coverage as the typical defender switches happen. Just like what happens when you throw zone D on a co-ed team.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 12:27 PM
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47- Women look at the chest area, they want to see if the player has a rack.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 12:48 PM
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Sorry to dispute all the apologists out there, but if the male viewers' interest was in the player's imminent swing, then at least some eyeballs would check the hands.

That said, I do think that J-Dub's question in 47 is a good one - why such distinctly different shapes about the head?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:15 PM
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it's pretty much non-contact in the same way that soccer is a non-contact sport.

In what sense is soccer non-contact?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:20 PM
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In what sense is soccer non-contact?

In the same sense that Ultimate is a non-contact sport. Read 63.

On the other hand, by this definition anything except football, rugby, hockey, and lacrosse is a non-contact sport.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:25 PM
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except football, rugby, hockey, and lacrosse

Boxing.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:28 PM
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(Um, I quoted 63, so I'd read it. But thnx.)

Except in soccer you can slide tackle. And except for being considered a contact sport.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:29 PM
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Okay, nevermind. Officially it's non-contact. BUT WE'RE STILL TOUGH.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:30 PM
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Actually, I take it back. According to wikipedia, it is.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:32 PM
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On the other hand, by this definition anything except football, rugby, hockey, and lacrosse is a non-contact sport.

Pretty much. I always defined contact sports as those sports where you were allowed or encouraged to "play the man" instead of "play the ball". But after looking at the wikipedia entry here, it seems that current medical terminology defines those as "collision sports" and the current category of "contact sports" includes things like basketball, soccer, and any other sport where you're likely to run into other people or the ball in the course of play. I'd say ultimate certainly fits that description.


Except in soccer you can slide tackle.

Yes, but you're required to be going for the ball, not just for the person. There's a similar out in ultimate where pretty much any incidental contact (which in the case of our last tournament, left a couple guys on other squads pretty beaten up) is ok so long as the defender got to the disc fairly before hitting the player on offense.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:35 PM
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yeah but we're tough.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:38 PM
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Damn you and your wiki-speed, Heebie!

BUT WE'RE STILL TOUGH.

Exactly, that's why it's a perfect comparison when people claim being "non-contact" in the rules makes ultimate a weenie sport. There's shitloads of contact, just like anyone would see in a high-level soccer game, it just has to be in the course of legitimately going for the ball or positioning oneself before the other person can take space for the play.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:38 PM
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I snort wikispeedia recreationally. It can be hard to keep up with me.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:40 PM
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Sorry to dispute all the apologists out there, but if the male viewers' interest was in the player's imminent swing, then at least some eyeballs would check the hands.

Except 1) swings don't start with the hands and 2) the hands don't tell you where the body's going. Just like in basketball, if you pay attention to the hands or head, you're open for a fake.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 1:47 PM
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Isn't it sort of well-established by now that (men's) sports are all about homoeroticism?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:32 PM
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57 etc:

When a (non-elite) mixed team is playing zone D, the offense can put guys in an area being defended by a woman. Then you exploit the height/length matchup. Obviously this is a bigger deal in 4/3. Similarly, breaking a mark / finding a hole in the cup is a lot easier against women with shorter arms (albeit lower ones).

62 - yeah, I meant 64. Playing man D and switching who you're guarding takes more thinking in coed.


Posted by: ptm | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:32 PM
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SEK, you're on crack. This is a still photo that was being looked at on the computer screen. Nobody cares where the invisible hypothetical ball is about to go. Those men were looking at his crotch. QED.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:38 PM
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Here you can see Roberts determining in which direction his teammate is about to turn.

And in this picture... sorry, I got nothin'.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:50 PM
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Also, the idea that men have a fascination with dogs' hindquarters is simply ludicrous.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:51 PM
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Isn't it sort of well-established by now that (men's) sports are all about homoeroticism?

Why can't women's sports be about homoeroticism?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:58 PM
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ptm and p-m p

I'd have said that zone decreases the influence of speed, so I'd have said that zone decreases the difference between open and mixed Ultimate (compared to man D). No? That's not how you experience it from the men's side of the game?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 2:58 PM
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Megan's about to have another unpleasant epiphany about the differences between men and women, isn't she?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:11 PM
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Manny being Manny manhandled


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:11 PM
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Or maybe that should be man-handle.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:13 PM
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This one might not be as extreme. I've seen men running fast before. And getting crazy-ass D's.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:20 PM
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Jonathan Papelbon is a national treasure.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:38 PM
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SEK, you're on crack. This is a still photo that was being looked at on the computer screen. Nobody cares where the invisible hypothetical ball is about to go. Those men were looking at his crotch. QED.

This interpretation reflects your own proclivities and biases, ogged. Nobody switches into "still image and a computer mode." They see an image of a batter and do what they normally do, whether the image then stays still or moves. If the eye-tracking controlled for time spent in an image region--which might suggest what happens at the moment of physical awareness that it's a still image--I'll eat my hat.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:40 PM
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They see an image of a batter and do what they normally do

This is such made-up bull. And ANYWAY, you wouldn't look at the guy's crotch, no matter what SEK says.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:43 PM
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I bet you can't help but look at this guy's crotch. (NSFW once you scroll down.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:46 PM
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The theorizing about balls (covered with leather and stitched? baseballs, at any rate) and strike zones might have a point if the eye tracking data was from baseball players or even baseball fans. From the general public? Ogged is right.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:47 PM
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91: There are other problems with the study as well. It's not clear to me that as many men would have checked out the crotch if it hadn't been George Brett. I mean, c'mon. Look at that hair. Look at that jaw. Talk about dirty pool.


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94 was me.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 3:54 PM
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92. Ouch!! Interesting how the comments focused on grooming standards of the modern male.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 4:03 PM
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Yes there is: if you've played, you know that the rotation of the hips is the start of the swing.

Or, you could just watch the actual bat. Granted, it's not the same visual feast as the "hips".


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 4:29 PM
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93: Hasn't the general public played sports? If nothing else, they were probably forced to play field sports in school.


Posted by: halax | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 5:07 PM
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73, 75 - Since this is the soccer thread, I'll mention that the main thing making soccer a contact sport is the fact that charging (narrowly defined) is legal. As P-M P says in 75, there is a lot of incidental contact in soccer, but "challenging for space using physical contact" is also officially sanctioned in the laws of the game, provided it is not careless, reckless, or violent, and does not use the arms. For example, you are allowed to lean shoulder-to-shoulder against another player in the course of challenging for the ball.

On the other hand, the asshole in Texas who broke my collarbone definitely believed soccer was a collision sport.


Posted by: cdm | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 5:27 PM
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Every schlock sci-fi writer I've ever read has insisted that when you're in a knife fight, the place to look is at your opponent's eyes. So I'm not challenging any more women to knife fights.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 7:26 PM
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One thing that might be worth noting is that the batter's crotch is at the very center of the photograph, so if you were to center your eyes in order to rest them, it might seem like you were checking out his package.

Maybe the male participants got bored of staring at the face after a few seconds/minutes and just zoned out until the next picture. The females just payed more attention or were more interested in an unfamiliar scene.


Posted by: Yuri Guri | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 11:03 AM
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Since this appears to be the baseball thread -- hey, how 'bout them Red Sox?


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 7:42 PM
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Lofton robbed at second! Too bad. Suck it, Tribe.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:06 PM
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Leaving Matsuzaka in against Sizemore. My stomach is churning...


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:08 PM
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Oh man, having 2003 flashback. Call to the bullpen!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:09 PM
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Popout. Not great, but not disaster.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:11 PM
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Pleasepleaseplease get this out.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:12 PM
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These long at-bats are gonna give me a heart attack.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:14 PM
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Knight to Queen's Bishop 4.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:16 PM
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Ring him up. That's a strike. Jesus. I don't believe this shitty box.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:16 PM
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Thank god. This is going to be a long night.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:17 PM
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So is this Beowulf actually animated, completely? I can't tell.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:20 PM
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That Beowulf preview looked TERRIBLE. What, precisely, was that accent?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:22 PM
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Didn't w-lfs-n post about this already? I don't have the link handy. Anyway: come on, David!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:24 PM
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DAmnit, Manny. This is starting to look like Westbrook has "settled down." We missed our chances in the first couple of innings and now ... I'm feeling sick. One run's not enough.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:27 PM
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I also don't get these Malibu commercials. Is the contention that all non-Malibu automobiles are invisible?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:27 PM
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I'm pretty sure Beowulf is filmed with the same sort of process Zemeckis used for The Polar Express.

Even setting aside the shitty visuals, the movie looks like it's gonna be crap.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:27 PM
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I was just kicked out of the living room by housemates who insisted that both football and baseball are boring, so hey! let's watch another documentary about nuclear bombs. Me: "But, but, but there are crotches to ogle!"


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:28 PM
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Jeemer gets the generous strike call. The only reason Matsuzaka never got that call was that the umpires are racist.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:34 PM
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9 outs to the World Series. Come on Sox.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:36 PM
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Hey, were you aware that Okajima has an unorthodox delivery? Perhaps McCarver should tell us about it for the seventh game in a row.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:37 PM
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How can you Sox fans be content when you know that Lofton was safe at second?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:37 PM
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McCarver would also like to tell you about how is he surprised by the obvious.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:38 PM
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Taylor Twellman, at the Sox game! Even soccer-players like baseball, Ogged.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:39 PM
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I anticipate that if the game ends 3-2, we will have heard the last about the Lofton call in Cleveland by early December 2044.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:41 PM
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JD, hitting it on the ground to the middle infield. Big surprise.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:42 PM
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Well, I guess we now know the half-life on grand slam-induced goodwill.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:43 PM
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I was over that when he grounded out with the bases loaded in the first.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:44 PM
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How can you Sox fans be content when you know that Lofton was safe at second?

Umps are fallible, shit happens, go Sox.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:46 PM
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LUGO!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:49 PM
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OK, well, I think the Lofton thing is even now, what?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:49 PM
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How can you Sox fans be content when you know that Lofton was safe at second?

The sentence is meaningless. It can't be checked, there's no use considering it, so it's ignored.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:50 PM
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MotherFUCK.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:50 PM
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Bring in Papelbon. Right now.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:52 PM
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FAir????


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:53 PM
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OOOfh.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:53 PM
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Seriously. Time for the 'Bot. No more fucking around, Tito.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:54 PM
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I mean, FUCK YEAH!!!


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:54 PM
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Jeemer!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:54 PM
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Holy shit. Huge, huge DP.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:54 PM
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Huge, huge error by their third-base coach. Wow. Just wow. They should be up by one, now.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:56 PM
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This is an interesting way to try to learn the rules of baseball.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:57 PM
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Man. Skinner and the umpires are keeping us in this game. Time to start hitting, Sox.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:58 PM
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At least it was Cleveland's own third-base coach who kept Lofton from scoring that time. Can we see some goddamn runs now please?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:59 PM
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Seriously. Lugo giveth and the 3rd base coach taketh away. Even the stupid Fox announcers get this.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 8:59 PM
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Blake! No one can hold onto the ball. It's the cold New England Octobers, wreaking havoc on the fielders' fingers.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:00 PM
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One good error deserves another. Redeem yourself, Lugo.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:00 PM
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Supernintendo Wedge: SkinNER!


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:01 PM
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147: one of the people in my apartment watching the game with me just said, "Redeem yourself, Lugo," right as he came up to bat.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:01 PM
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It's a very New-England-ish way to watch a sports game. Baseball players in the Hands of an Angry Fan!

pedroia!!!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:02 PM
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FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:02 PM
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DUSTIN!


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:02 PM
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This game's wearing me out. I want ... fro-yo.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:08 PM
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149: Wait &mdash is this your apartment?

I hope the Sox score several more, for Skinner's sake. He may have a long, sad winter otherwise. Please dear God please, six more outs with no hits. I'll go to confession again, I swear.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:09 PM
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Papelbon. Right now.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:12 PM
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Looks like I'm off the hook for the confession thing. Give it up for Jeemer, and bring on the 'Bon.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:14 PM
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I can't believe they're still harping on the Lofton-Skinner thing. More important things going on right now!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:15 PM
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5 to go.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:17 PM
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Wow. I didn't think Francona would really tap Papelbon with six outs to go. My blood pressure is through the roof.

K! Bye-bye, Hafner.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:17 PM
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Double-clutch.

But ... 4-more.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:18 PM
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Deep breaths, infield.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:19 PM
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J.E.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:21 PM
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Take that white man. That's what you get for your racist mascot.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:22 PM
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3more3more3more.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:23 PM
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It just occured to me that if this game were being played on a weekday, it would essentially paralyze the Japanese economy.

Three more outs! Please, God, just three more outs. I was kidding about the confession thing, really.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:24 PM
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Wait, I missed that. What did McCarver just say about Manny's defense?


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:26 PM
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The Lofton play at second.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:28 PM
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165: It must be monday morning in japan, no?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:28 PM
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Now on Wikipedia: Joel Patrick Skinner (born February 21, 1961 in La Jolla, California) is a former catcher in Major League Baseball and is currently the third base coach of the Cleveland Indians, who he just helped lose the American League Championship Series Game 7 against Boston by holding up Kenny Lofton. He is the son of Bob Skinner, a National League outfielder in the 1950s and '60s.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:30 PM
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J.D.! I take it all back.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:31 PM
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168: You're right, I forgot about the date line. Hey &mdash 6-2!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:31 PM
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It's like a comedy of errors, down the 3rd base line.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:36 PM
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No way that just happened.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:36 PM
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They would have caught that if Lofton had been called safe on that play at second.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:37 PM
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C'mon, Julio.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:39 PM
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That was painful to watch. Bases loaded!

It's lunchtime Monday in Japan.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:41 PM
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Well, at least he didn't hit into a double play.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:42 PM
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Dustin PedroiA!!!! It's like he's made out of clutch.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:43 PM
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PEDROIA!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:43 PM
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Time for Papelbon to put on his dancin' shoes.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:44 PM
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Off the Coke Bottle!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:47 PM
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Okay, I'm happy now.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:47 PM
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So, I guess none of the errors in base-running or out-calling really matter, at this point. 3 more outs!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:50 PM
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OK, it's Gagne time.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:50 PM
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184: It's not that safe a lead.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:50 PM
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184 is hilarious and true.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:50 PM
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Also, this Beyonce commercial makes me rage. "I'll get the boomerang myself," and then she buys it online.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:52 PM
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C'mon, Paps.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:54 PM
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So, I guess none of the errors in base-running or out-calling really matter, at this point.

Wrong, that play was a momentum changer.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:56 PM
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1more1more1more.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:56 PM
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COCO!! I love me some COCO!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:57 PM
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COCO! Hope he's OK, actually.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:58 PM
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World Series, w000000ttt!!!! Great catch, Coco!

189: We are immune to your jibes, Ogged. We are filled with Love for All People!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:59 PM
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Wrong, that play was a momentum changer.

Tell it to Steve Bartman.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:59 PM
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I would, if he weren't cut up into little pieces in my freezer.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:00 PM
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Note also that one of the smallest guys in baseball had a very big night. Dustin is my hero.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:02 PM
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Anyway, congrats to the Sox. I was rooting for them, too. Too bad you Bostonians no longer know the exquisite suffering of a century long losing streak, though.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:03 PM
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Ah, yes, the honking-in-the-streets has begun. I'm remembering what I hated about the last time we were in the Series.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:04 PM
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Also, Larry Lucchino always looks like the father in A Christmas Story, to me -- Darrin McGavin?


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:08 PM
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This is a very awkward trophy ceremony.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:08 PM
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"Bring back the National League ... trophy."

"Um... okay."


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:11 PM
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So now that my wife and children are spared days of abuse, I am again moved to wonder why I get so wrapped up in this. I'm a longtime Sox fan, but I don't really consider myself a sports nut, and I do consider myself a fairly rational person. Yet I know that I would be seriously depressed if Boston lost tonight, just as I was elated after the 2004 ALCS, not to mention the World Series. Why?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:12 PM
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Identification with the region, and the other fans, if not the team so much? I watched the first four innings of the game yesterday in a crowded bar in J.P., and it was electric -- and I normally hate crowds. It's just a different thing altogether. The closest most of us will ever get, to being in a cult.

Anyway, this thread was a lot of fun. Thanks all, and good night!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:17 PM
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Now that was exhausting.

I haven't read upthread yet, but I can't have been the only one who watched Lugo drop that ball and thought Bucky Fucking Dent.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 10:24 PM
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any want to watch a world series game at a bar or something in Chicago? My husband has a paper to write & a presentation to prepare & is uninterested in human contact for the next two weeks. Ah, the academy.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 11:00 PM
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A personal note to the people of Los Angeles: while I remain puzzled by your plan to schedule a dinner party during game 7 of the ALCS, especially since you knew perfectly well what the game meant to the Red Sox, but given that, I do thank you for being so understanding about the fact that I utterly ignored anything not actually broadcast on a TV from Boston, including but not limited to the extant food and company. Your good humor has paid dividends.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 12:30 AM
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Can we start up a Game 3 thread here? Or is there one somewhere else...?


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 6:54 PM
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Probably at some sports-oriented blog, arthegall.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 6:56 PM
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What the hey, I'm in.

First of all: enough with the fucking souvenir snot rags, non-Red Sox teams.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 6:57 PM
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208: such as e.g. waste?


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I'd try my own blog, Ben, but I have a readership of about 3 over there. But if you want me to buzz off, that's fine, I can do that too.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 6:58 PM
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For example.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 6:59 PM
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212 to 210. 211 seems to have inherited Lunar Rockette's po-facedness.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 6:59 PM
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w-lfs-n kids because he loves, arthegall. And by "loves" I of course mean "tolerates."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 7:02 PM
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Game 3 of what? The Stanley Cup playoffs are a long way down the road, yet.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 7:09 PM
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Let's go Na-va-jo!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 7:23 PM
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That Dice-K's a slugger.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 7:45 PM
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Weakest baseball thread ever.


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Fuck. Oki not dokey.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 9:44 PM
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Made it out. Shit better stay lights out from here on in.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:02 PM
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out out in out in in.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:03 PM
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OKAY!~!!321one!

Now I feel better.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:13 PM
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Keep the party alive, Sifu.

Ellsbury and Pedroia, back-to-back, that's pretty gutsy. Just when it looked like CO was on a roll...


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:15 PM
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Yup. I'm worried about paps, tho.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:20 PM
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Wait... why? Is he injured?

The fucking suffolk students who live downstairs, think they're in an a cappella group. They're singing 'wonderwall' right now. What. The. Hell.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:24 PM
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Just because he pitched so much on Thursday.. they were talking about it earlier.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:26 PM
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New thread. Move along.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 10-27-07 10:26 PM
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They're singing 'wonderwall' right now. What. The. Hell.

Holy shit I hate that song.

By the way, I'm not sure I'm ever going to disentagle myself from the 8 billion tabs on algebraic topology and category theory TWFiMF has led me to open. Bastard.


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