Re: All Boys, Of Course!

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Book burning time!


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:36 PM
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Dude! Dumbledore sees Harry naked at the train station to the afterlife! Dude!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:37 PM
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It's ok, Cala, he's gay, not a priest.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:50 PM
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I like this bit, from the AP story:

Potter readers on fan sites and elsewhere on the Internet have speculated on the sexuality of Dumbledore, noting that he has no close relationship with women and a mysterious, troubled past. And explicit scenes with Dumbledore already have appeared in fan fiction.

By that standard, ever character in the Potter books is gay. At the very least.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 10:53 PM
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And of course he dies. Hmph.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:01 PM
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what's great is that this didn't occur to me, but totally works when you think about it. The mark of a good plot twist.

Having it revealed in the books would have required it to occur to Harry.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:04 PM
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And Harry, as we know, is a self-centered tard.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:09 PM
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Gay sorcery? That's what is constantly tempting our nation's reactionary preachers to sin.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:14 PM
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6: Well, I think one mark of a good plot twist is that it appear in the actual plot, but I absolutely agree that it works.

And while part of me is tempted to accuse Rowling of a copout, what I really think is that her book wasn't about sexuality, and her designation of Dumbledore as gay is really only appropriate outside of the books themselves.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-19-07 11:56 PM
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Accio fellatio!


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 12:19 AM
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Engorgio! Erecto!


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 12:28 AM
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Yeah, definitely no component of sexuality in a series of books about teenagers.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 12:35 AM
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Given that "wand" is just a euphemism for penis, and frequently a euphemism for bifurcated kangaroo penis, all non-muggle characters are gay or bi.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 1:57 AM
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And, by transitive property, all bifurcated kangaroo penises are magical.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 2:03 AM
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Goes without saying.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 2:04 AM
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Captain Kangaroo had like thirty goddamn bifurcated dicks.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 2:10 AM
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oh yeah, but everybody knew this.
and that gandalf was a total kink--he couldn't even look at ordinary women, but was always prowling for action with orcs. and that time he was caught in flagrante with two ents and a dwarf--tell me that was easy to cover up.

really, though--
this is going to prompt some soul-searching among parents and kids. hard questions: 'so did dumbledore love harry like a parent loves their child, or was he sexually attracted to him as well?'

well, little johnny, it's worth remembering that gay men tend to be attracted to other *men*, not to young boys.
and that straight daddies love their daughters without lusting after them, unless they're from the rural south.

"but do you think dumbledore ever had sex with men? or was it necessary for his job that he remain chaste? is this like what the catholic church says--that priests can have an objectively disordered orientation, provided that they do not act on it? is that how rowling thought about it?'

well, little johnny, it is sounding a bit that way. and that's the last time we let you read encyclicals.


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 4:30 AM
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also--
given that the volume of hp-purchases makes it trackable like a commodity ("shares of the goblet of fire were up today with 2 million copies traded on the ftse..."), it will be interesting to see if this news has any effect on sales going forward.
assuming that the publisher would actually give out the figures.


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 4:56 AM
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One fan asked whether Albus Dumbledore, the head of the famed Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft, had ever loved anyone. Rowling smiled. "Dumbledore is gay, actually,"

Was that supposed to be an answer to the fan's question? I don't see how it implies anything responsive, either affirmatively or negatively.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 5:57 AM
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19: Isn't that a preface to her answering the question?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 7:13 AM
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given that we don't have the fan's question, but only an nyt paraphrase of it, i think it's hard to judge how directly responsive it was.

(e.g., "well, now you have told us what girl neville wound up with; what about dumbledore? did he ever have a girlfriend?" or similar.)

but if you really want someone to provide the proper context, ask the editors, whose job on the mark foley i.m. transcript is the most brilliant job of context-fabrication i've ever read.


Posted by: kid bitzer | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 7:15 AM
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Dude, I totally called this. So what's the deal with McGonagall now? Ever noticed how none of the Hogwarts teachers are married?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 7:56 AM
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In the UK, Dumbledore is running a prestigious magic school, and in the US, he wouldn't even be allowed to supervise a Boy Scout troop. Speaks volumes.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 8:22 AM
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13: What, even the Patel twins? You sicko.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 8:45 AM
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12: No component of sexuality of people who are, like, a hundred years old in books about teenagers.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 1:11 PM
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Gay Dumbledore is awesome, but how lame is it that Rowling just kind of says this stuff after the series is over without ever putting it in the actual books? This is like that interview where she tells you what "really" happened to everyone twenty-odd years after Voldemort's death without actually putting any of it in the epilogue - it's sloppy storytelling and weirdly controlling towards the characters ("I didn't even write this bit, but my authorial intent reaches beyond the pages to invent narrative I didn't bother to put there!") Nothing outside the text, lady. If you wanted it to happen you should've put it in the damn book.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 2:41 PM
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Gay Dumbledore is awesome, but how lame is it that Rowling just kind of says this stuff after the series is over without ever putting it in the actual books?

Not very lame. There was no room for it in the stories, but it was something she envisioned as part of the character when writing the stories. As long as it doesn't conflict with what we already knew, it's fine.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 2:42 PM
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27: IANAHPF, but weren't people complaining here about excessive flashbacks? She could have at least put in some oblique reference to be explained later, making it canon, not a Hadith.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-20-07 4:40 PM
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What the hell is wrong with this blog that no one has yet said this news is wizard cocksucker?


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 12:38 AM
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Oh god, you're right.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 12:39 AM
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We're really slipping.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:31 AM
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Hell, just delete all comments and posts after 29 and close the doors. Unfogged is finished.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 9:39 AM
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this news really makes part of the last book better


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 10-21-07 2:22 PM
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All the more reason now for the "Young Dumbledore" prequel.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 9:17 AM
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Actually the not-married aspect of the teachers is a basic part of the boarding-school setting. I was just talking with a friend about old Cambridge profs--there's lots of old guys and some older women who have lived alone in small apartments inside a residential school alongside their students for their entire lives. Doesn't mean they haven't had sex lives, I suppose, but the Hogwarts' teachers are completely within this milieu.


Posted by: Timothy Burke | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 9:33 AM
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There was no room for it in the stories

So in the course of seven books, each hundreds of pages long, Rowling didn't have room to mention a characteristic of a major character which she now says is important? Rubbish. This isn't Hemingway's iceberg principle on display here; this is just pandering or sloppy writing or both. #26 gets it exactly right (as does #5).


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 10:35 AM
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I predict the following Onion headline:

"Hermione Also Fat, Rowling Reveals."


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 10:47 AM
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funny, Dumbledore didn't strike me as a Republican politician at all.


Posted by: bryan | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 1:40 PM
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I suspect 35 is more of the story than 36, and correspondingly will be more odd to US readers.

Really, as is characteristic of the genre, the lives of the adult characters are only developed where needed for the story arcs of the children.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 1:44 PM
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35 is absolutely right, believe me. Such people were commonplace when I was a kid. They may have been gay or straight, but either way their sexuality was so far divorced from their visible lives that you couldn't even speculate about it. This must appear odd to US readers, but think the Protestant/Magical equivalent mindset to the Christian Brothers.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 10-22-07 2:01 PM
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