Re: M/tch M/lls is a jerk

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Also, wasn't there some discussion of passing the hat for a plane ticket for teo? Teo, are you still up for that?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:09 PM
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I don't know. Maybe. It would be about $500, unless ticket prices have gone up very recently.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:15 PM
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If it takes me being a jerk to get Emerson (and teo!) to UnfoggeDCon 2: Electric Bugaloo, then I'm at peace with that.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:21 PM
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Is there some sort of matching service being offered? There have been several offers of rooms, but I don't know which ones have been taken. I need a place to crash too.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:24 PM
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I'm willing to trade a month for someone here in Lake Wobegon for a week for me on the east coast. Private bedroom and everything. We have tons of space.

Somehow, I don't think that that offer quite cuts it. ("First prize is a day in Lake Wobegon. Second prize is two days in Lake Wobegon.")


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:27 PM
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Hey, speaking of M/lls... we dropped the ball on syncing up for the Austin meetup on the 11th. You guys still up for it?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:35 PM
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I can vouch for Emerson: he's an easygoing houseguest, and he purchased nice food for himself at the co-op and then conveniently forgot it so that we could have it instead. Good thing I talked him into getting the fancy cheese.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:39 PM
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Okay, I checked around a bit on Hotwire and the cheapest fare I could find was $308 round-trip ABQ-BWI if I leave on 12/28 and return on 1/4. I could probably afford that myself, but I'd still appreciate any help anyone can offer.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:53 PM
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Hey, speaking of M/lls... we dropped the ball on syncing up for the Austin meetup on the 11th. You guys still up for it?

Absolutely. It's on the official Sir Kraab and M/tch M/lls Joint Activities Calendar and everything!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:55 PM
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Where in DC is the party?


Posted by: terpbball | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:57 PM
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9: Austin meetup?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 12:58 PM
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11: We'd been planning brunch on the 11th. heebie-geebie and Jammies are in, too, AFAIK. If you have any suggestions for locations, let's hear 'em.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:00 PM
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10 - In NW. Nearest metro station is U Street/Cardozo.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:03 PM
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I think we should leave venue choice up to Armsmasher.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:04 PM
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Although if it were up to me I'd choose Curra's (the original one on Oltorf).

Kerbey Lane or Magnolia Cafe are traditional brunch spots. I'm not crazy about either one but they do offer lots of variety and decent prices.

I can't remember if Las Manitas is still open but I'll try to find out.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:12 PM
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It looks like Las Manitas is still an option.

Bonus: the old guy who apologized to Cheney because Cheney shot him in the face makes an appearance in that article!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:16 PM
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I've got a room available. It's got a door and everything! No bed though. The only problem is that I live in Boston (kind of). If Emerson has a burning desire to experience Fanueil Hall, and doesn't mind sleeping like a backpacker, I'm your man.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:34 PM
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I am very adaptable and accepting.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:51 PM
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What is the dress code for DC Unfogged?

Is Pete Schweaty catering it?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:54 PM
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What is the dress code for DC Unfogged?

Bare as you dare.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:57 PM
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17: I'm not sure that I believe that you do live in Boston, foolishmortal. You've never showed up to any of our meet-ups.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:59 PM
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Is it an brunch meetup? I want to select your fates.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 1:59 PM
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If you're serious about crashing at my place, shoot me an email at foolishmortal0@aol.com. Given several months' notice, I'm sure I can do better than "floor." "Better" might represent floor + pillows, so beware.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 2:02 PM
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The dress code for DC Unfogged.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 2:04 PM
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It is a brunch meet-up. A Sunday Brunch meet-up in fact.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 2:14 PM
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I should have a room available, and you can have your own bathroom too. But I'm not sure I could put someone up for a solid week. I will likely be heading up to NYC later in the week to visit family.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 2:19 PM
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I am willing to bounce around. I just want to spend more time out there, altogether, than I did last time.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 2:23 PM
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24- Wow, that finally led me to locate my invitation to join the flickr pool, only 6 months after it was sent.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 2:45 PM
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Actually, $308 is reasonable enough that I can just cover it myself. No need for hat-passing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 3:13 PM
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29: that's good, because it doesn't look as if anything was actually happening. But will you have a place to stay? You'll be there a while.

Is anything happening on the Emerson front? Come on, people, it's Emerson.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 3:16 PM
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Yeah, I can stay at my aunt's apartment. I'll have to check with her first, but it shouldn't be a problem.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 3:18 PM
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Ok.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 3:20 PM
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I do not seem to be in the loop on this Sunday Brunch Meet-up. Are you trying to hurt my feelings?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:10 PM
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They probably are, Heebie.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:12 PM
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Good, I like to have all the facts on the table.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:16 PM
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We should speculate about why. The most likely reason is that they are sociopaths, like my ex-brother-in-law.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:19 PM
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Occam's Razor would suggest that, yes. I guess we should burn them at the stake, no?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:25 PM
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Heebie, they're sociopaths, not heretics.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:28 PM
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Is anything happening on the Emerson front?

26 applied to Emerson.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:30 PM
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Marcus, tentatively that sounds good, hopefully supplemented by someone else.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:33 PM
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We should therapize them, Heebie, until we have them singing Kumbayah.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:33 PM
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Heebie, they're sociopaths, not heretics.

Don't put sociopaths in a box, Brock. They could be both.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:34 PM
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Heretic, theretic, everywheretic.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:35 PM
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Don't put sociopaths in a box, Brock.

Why not? As a solution, this seems right up there with burning them.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:36 PM
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My brother in law was a very lax, orthodox Catholic sociopath. Insofar as he could remember any Orthodox doctrine, he affirmed it.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:38 PM
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Lower case "orthodox", I mean.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:39 PM
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This is the first I've heard tell of a Sunday brunch.

Hmm...What else don't I know about? Am I invited to the rehearsal dinner? Do I have to wear dyed-to-match pumps?


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:43 PM
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The brunch is in Austin, I believe.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:45 PM
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33, 47: Because I haven't decided yet on where the brunch is taking place.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:45 PM
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There are two balls in the air, IA, 1500 miles and 2 months apart.

I think.

Organizing sociopaths is always difficult.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:45 PM
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I do not seem to be in the loop on this Sunday Brunch Meet-up. Are you trying to hurt my feelings?

I blame Magpie. She said she talked to you!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:46 PM
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Are you a sociopath or a Nazi, Josh?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:47 PM
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Why not both?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:48 PM
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There are two balls in the air, IA, 1500 miles and 2 months apart.

I'm not great with multitasking.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:50 PM
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Canadians are simple folk.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:51 PM
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55: Why must you mock my people?


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:53 PM
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Mostly because of the Screech.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 4:58 PM
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I blame Magpie. She said she talked to you!

What a sociopath.

Okay, fine, she did.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:00 PM
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But I didn't know it was a brunch. I thought we were just standing around awkwardly with our hands shoved in our pockets at any old time of day.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:01 PM
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57: Fair enough.

59: I heard there would be games, with nifty prizes and a trophy for the team with the most spirit. (That's spirit, Emerson, not spirits).


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:03 PM
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Is it legal to bring Screech into the U.S? It probably would go well with lutefisk.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:04 PM
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For the record, I will almost certainly be at the DC meetup and will stay with Marcus some of the time, but hope to stay with someone else on the east coast (maybe NYC) for a couple days after the meetup. Hopefully I can talk to people outside the mass insanity event, hich I couldn't when I went to NYC.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:07 PM
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61: I don't see why not. Problem is, you can only get it at the Newfoundland Liquor Corporation.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:18 PM
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I don't trust Armsmasher to pick us a brunch place. He's too busy with the glamourous demands of being the Hottest Non-TV DC Whatever Person to devote enough attention to our brunch needs.

On the suggestions so far: yay Curra's and Las Manitas, I'm over Kerbey but I still have residual fondness for Magnolia and its Love Migas and its cheesy planet things.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 5:36 PM
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If I come, will Armsmasher give me the cd he was going to send me?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 8:17 PM
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65: I came when Armsmasher gave me a CD. Wait, not a CD. What do you call those things? Um, hand jobs.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:35 PM
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Carnal Dexterities?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:36 PM
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Left-handed people, of course, give CSes instead.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:37 PM
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Carnal Sinistries?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:38 PM
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Yep.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:39 PM
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I lol'ed at 67


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:39 PM
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I appreciate your lol'ing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:41 PM
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So teo you seriously are going to uDCn II? Goddamit. This is getting harder to avoid.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:45 PM
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It's not yet 100%; I still need to clear it with my mom and my aunt. But probably.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 9:46 PM
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If this gets too big maybe we should either rent a hall (unlikely) or arrange a diffuse occasion at more than one time and place. The NYC meetup I went to was above the maximu for everyone to talk to each other, and it was only about 20.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 10:07 PM
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If this gets too big maybe we should either rent a hall (unlikely) or arrange a diffuse occasion at more than one time and place.

"rent a hall" makes me imagine the American Legion, or the L.O.O.M.

But why not?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 10:09 PM
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76: Air and Space Museum.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 10:10 PM
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it was only about 20.

There will be a sight more than 20 if it's anything like last year.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 10:14 PM
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See, out here in Lake Wobegon we could rent a hall. In Portland OR we could rent a hall. So where do we go? Someplace where we can't. The least likley candidate in the free world for hall-renting.

But definitely a diffuse meetup.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 10:36 PM
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It's not a meetup, John, it's a party. There's a difference.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 10:42 PM
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A party where it's hard to circulate and mingle is not a party. Perhaps we should rotate chairs or something next time.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:25 PM
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81: we will help you mingulate, old man.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:26 PM
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Chairs?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:26 PM
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It's easier to circulate if you stand up from time to time.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:27 PM
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The NYC event I attended was organized around a long table. Not ideal at all.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:28 PM
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Is Emerson afraid of being left alone, in a crowd of drunken nerds? Puh-leeze.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:28 PM
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85: What do you want? Everyone at the Y in a big circle, each taking a turn to shout out their name and their spirit animal?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:29 PM
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Amazingly, I'm quite comfortable with drunks.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:30 PM
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Judging from last year's pictures, I'd say UnfoggeDCon is unlikely to be organized around a long table.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:30 PM
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Once you've sat at a long table next to the same person long enough, it's a relationship.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:31 PM
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Just a more comfortable room for circulating. But you know, a few chorusses of Kumbayah and a nice group hug would be good.

Perhaps the event I attended was exceptional.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:31 PM
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Emerson, out here on the coasts we have these things called parties where people move about freely. Like some kind of grazing animals in a pasture. And also things called "houses", which are larger than the one-room mud huts you lot have, where we move from room to room as needed.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:32 PM
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The Flophouse is plenty comfortable for circulating. And I was serious in 80; this is going to be a totally different kind of event.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:33 PM
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I'll hang out and talk to you Emerson. Briefly. Just so you feel better.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:34 PM
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I won't. I'll cut you dead.

Of course, that's if I even go to this thing, which I really shouldn't but am kinda tempted even so. (Not a hint for people to press me to attend.)


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:38 PM
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My non-bedded room is still available. 21 notwithstanding , early January is a great time to tour Boston.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 1-07 11:40 PM
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95: You should totally come, B.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 12:09 AM
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Really, B, get your ass to this thing.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 12:13 AM
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dagnbit, I'm all jealous. it's only once in a blue moon that I'm not in DC for xmas.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 4:57 AM
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B, you really should come to this thing.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 6:10 AM
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97- I bet you say that to all the girls.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 7:22 AM
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My trepidation about this event are entirely based on the NYC 2005 event, which was poorly arranged for circulating purposes. I came to understand that no one on the east coast has a place big enough for more than three people to be present at the same time, and that often they only have one bed and have to sleep in shifts. But then, the Flophouse is old money and rich media people.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 7:46 AM
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We just hosted an event at the Flophouse with about 150 people and managed the group just fine. (Of course, we were able to use the backyard, which is less likely in December.) This isn't like a traditional meetup where people are sitting down in fixed positions -- people can float between groups in the different rooms. It worked fine last year, I thought. Also, not everyone stays the whole time. At least half of the party peeled off by midnight or so.

The advantage of doing it at the Flophouse instead of a hall, besides the place being free, is that we don't have to watch the clock. If we rent a place, there will surely be a time when we'd get kicked out. At the Flophouse, if there's a hearty group that's still kicking late into the morning and it turns into frying up bacon for those still awake at 7 AM (again, which has happened) we can accomodate that.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 8:18 AM
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I think that I just misunderstood. The NYC event was great but disappointing in that I only ever talked to a few people. Partly my fault because I spent so much time talking to IA, who I've been e-friends with since before Unfogged even existed, possibly even before Ogged split from his EBL.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 8:24 AM
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The flophouse is also convenient in that when your host passes out, leaving you no way to get to your stuff or your pre-arranged sleeping location, Jackmormon will sleep with you.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:08 AM
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Emerson is like a conehead alien doing his best imitation of how a normal person attends a normal party. You should circulate precisely every 45 minutes, and mingle on multiples of 20 minutes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:17 AM
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105: or at least with your feet.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:19 AM
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106: And, of course, consume mass quantities.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:20 AM
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99: !


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:20 AM
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Emerson, quit worrying. The Flophouse is a big-ass D.C. rowhouse.

Magpie et al., I throw TX French Bread into the ring for the Austin brunch. They make some excellent scrambled eggs. (Unless the West Coasters are jonesing for Tex-Mex, in which case I third Curra's or Las Manitas.) Magnolia irritates me. But, really, I'm up for wherever.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:23 AM
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104: Don't worry, Emerson. This time, you won't even know that I'm there. I'll be wearing my cloak of invisibility.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:31 AM
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Emerson is like a conehead alien doing his best imitation of how a normal person attends a normal party. You should circulate precisely every 45 minutes, and mingle on multiples of 20 minutes.

MY, YOU LOOK LOVELY THIS EVENING. HAVE YOU DECREASED IN MASS?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:34 AM
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Also, on the "consume mass quantities" front, I know there has been a lot of talk about alcohol and UnfoggeDCon but, if that's not your scene or you'll be driving or something, don't let that put you off. We made sure to have plenty of nonalcoholic stuff on hand last year. It's not like one of our keggers.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 9:35 AM
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Alameida was there not drinking and seemed to have a fine old time.

In fact, last year they ran out of ice really quickly, which meant we had to scrounge for ways to make the ouzo pleasantly cold. It was actually harder to be a drinker there than a non-drinker, I'm thinking.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:29 AM
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And 'Smasher, where shall the Austin meet-up have brunch on November 11th? We await your word.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:30 AM
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Pretty much anything sounds fine to me, as long as the noise isn't deafening and they don't try to hustle us out quickly. We'll have plenty of other opportunities for a Tex-Mex fix.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:31 AM
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plenty of nonalcoholic stuff

Like GHB.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:37 AM
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117: ooh. If only.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:45 AM
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damn, this thing sounds like fun


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:49 AM
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In my day I actually had great party skills. Not quite on a par with Alameida's mom, but the same kind of party. I just was thinking about all the effort we went to in 2005 to find a place that wasn't quite right. I had concluded that all the space in that part of the world had migrated to Elgin, N.D., and that everyone east of Pittsburg lives in $2000/ month 8' x 8' x 8' one-room apartments. My fears have been stilled.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:55 AM
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I.E., before you people were born.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 10:58 AM
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Chill, John. You're being all m-fun about this.

If they run out of space you can sit on my lap.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:03 AM
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Megan was right. Is there a roof ready to throw couches of of? Has a stock of couches been laid in?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:09 AM
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They've laid in a stock of couches, but they're not for throwing. When the music stops, everyone has to find a couch to sit on (two people per couch maximum, unless you're apostropher) and then we're all going to spend the rest of the evening awkwardly touching shoes with our couch-partner.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:19 AM
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I have some old tvs that we can throw out the window. Will someone bring some long extension cords?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:21 AM
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125: You're planning on watching them while they fall? Because after impact I don't think they'll be needing the electricity.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:30 AM
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'Smasher! Where are we to eat? What are we to do?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:31 AM
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Meanwhile, can we get an approximate headcount? So far, I've counted me, M/tch, Magpie, Josh, Heebie, and Jammies(?). Forgive me if I've missed someone; I know it's come up on a couple of different threads. Soub, want to come up from Houston?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 11:54 AM
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That count sounds right to me, unless there are Seekrit Lurking Austinites who aren't piping up.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 12:34 PM
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Heebie, and Jammies(?)

Jammies is singular - that might have screwed up the headcount.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 4:09 PM
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pdf23ps2 is in Austin, and so was another guy who showed up for the meeting but I haven't seen him around Unfogged since, Smudog.


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Jammies is singular

Yep, they sure broke the mold when they made old Jammies, I tell you what.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 4:31 PM
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Jammies is actually a singularity. The whole universe is generated by him -- not just Heebie.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-07 4:46 PM
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